Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[nwales58]

True but ‘Regional Eurostar’ for example proved BR was as prone to these shenanigans as the TOCs

Regional Eurostar (and Nightstar) were campaigns by MPs outside London then written into the legislation so they 'had' to happen. Blame public opinion for that. This fiasco is ... well see previous 11,000 posts.

 

[43066]

True but haven’t those type of shenanigans long been a problem & have more to do with how the railways are funded, Regional Eurostar comes to mind in BR times

Yep - and could well be worse under GBR. Of course the TOCs haven’t actually operated as autonomous businesses since pre covid, so we’re already witnessing a mostly state controlled railway.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

More to be excited about:

Another two years before SWR's full fleet of Class 701 Arterios are in service

The fleet was officially launched into traffic at London Waterloo by former England cricketer Stuart Broad

www.railmagazine.com

 

[800001]

More to be excited about:
View attachment 170990

Another two years before SWR's full fleet of Class 701 Arterios are in service

The fleet was officially launched into traffic at London Waterloo by former England cricketer Stuart Broad

www.railmagazine.com

What does the article say? Have to be registered to read it.

 

[BerrylandsMan]

What does the article say? Have to be registered to read it.

Good article - cataloguing all the issues, and asking the mgmt about missed deadlines & future plans to which typically Hendy is evasive. SWR quoted as:
“We are doing this in phases. We expect the total rollout over the next couple of years. We haven’t got a firm date beyond the ten trains announced today. I don’t want to promise customers new trains without a full programme.”

 

[Goldfish62]

Good article - cataloguing all the issues, and asking the mgmt about missed deadlines & future plans to which typically Hendy is evasive. SWR quoted as:
“We are doing this in phases. We expect the total rollout over the next couple of years. We haven’t got a firm date beyond the ten trains announced today. I don’t want to promise customers new trains without a full programme.”

Surely this article is now out of date given recent posts and confirmation of the shortening of training.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Surely this article is now out of date given recent posts and confirmation of the shortening of training.

Published today. Although the author has already done a report for BBC South on this (www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWfu5rNaw9s), and almost all the quotes and information seem to be the same as that, so it's very possible this is just that same info from the 28th rehashed

 

[physics34]

More to be excited about:
View attachment 170990

Another two years before SWR's full fleet of Class 701 Arterios are in service

The fleet was officially launched into traffic at London Waterloo by former England cricketer Stuart Broad

www.railmagazine.com

This whole shambles has been a great advert for standardisation, that i keep blabbering on about.

 

[spyinthesky]

This whole shambles has been a great advert for standardisation, that i keep blabbering on about.

If only we could standardise public opinion first.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

This whole shambles has been a great advert for standardisation, that i keep blabbering on about.

Well this is essentially standardisation, replacing all suburban stock with one rolling stock type - unless you mean something else

 

[Goldfish62]

Published today. Although the author has already done a report for BBC South on this (www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWfu5rNaw9s), and almost all the quotes and information seem to be the same as that, so it's very possible this is just that same info from the 28th rehashed

But of course given it's SWR, dropping DCO to shorten the training course in order to get the trains into service quicker doesn't actually mean getting the trains into service quicker.

On balance though I'd say it's simply that the article is now out of date. After all, I'm not sure the dropping of DCO and shortened course are common knowledge outside of this sort of forum.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Also a 701 on the Shepperton line this Saturday, it's on whatever circuit 2H27 is.

701039 is opderating that circuit today, starting with 2H12 and currently on 2H20

 

[Socanxdis]

7 years to full roll out .. wow

 

[Goldfish62]

7 years to full roll out .. wow

See post #11,352

 

[spark001uk]

Just seen 039 on 2H19. Is this the first weekend of them in passenger service then?

 

[swr444]

Just seen 039 on 2H19. Is this the first weekend of them in passenger service then?

On a full diagram yes. One did a rugby special diagram about a month ago.

 

[spark001uk]

Just had a short (~30min) go on 039. Smooth ride, but those bay seating placements are terrible aren't they. Why didn't they just put one more row of airlines in behind them and then they'd line up.!?
It actually feels better sitting in the aisle seat of the bay tbh, at least you're not looking at a wall, have a bit more room, and the option of sitting outwards a bit if there's someone next to you - as is all too common they seem to have gone with the zero separation seating design; the one where they've forgotten that us humans have arms.!!

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Why didn't they just put one more row of airlines in behind them and then they'd line up.!?

There's a larger than normal gap between the vestibules and where the seats start, allowing for more standing space. Because this is a commuter train, some may argue this is a worthy tradeoff for a less crushed feeling during rush hour, although depending on travel habits that may not apply.

 

[4SubAsociation]

Just seen 039 on 2H19. Is this the first weekend of them in passenger service then?

I saw this today on one of the later runs (11:30 ish). I got very lucky on the 455 side of things (i will post that on the relevant thread).

 

[spark001uk]

Old and new passing at Kingston today.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Old and new passing at Kingston today.View attachment 171031

Nice shot
Certainly a contrast

 

[TEW]

Class 701 Diagrams in the new timetable as of tomorrow. Weekend diagrams obviously very much subject to change with engineering work.

Monday to Friday
5U08 0520 Feltham Depot to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U11 0703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U21 0933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U31 1203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U41 1433 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U51 1703 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U61 1933 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2203 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2305 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Staines
5U78 2323 Staines to Feltham Depot

5U07 0550 Feltham Depot to Twickenham
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0726 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
5Y87 1057 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings
5U45 1432 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2U45 1533 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U52 1653 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U55 1803 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U62 1923 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U65 2033 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U72 2153 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U75 2303 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
5U75 0006 Windsor & Eton Riverside to Feltham Depot

5H89 0443 Strawberry Hill Depot to Shepperton
2H90 0523 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H89 0645 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H96 0800 Shepperton to London Waterloo
5Y82 0910 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings
5H93 1712 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2H93 1743 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H60 1836 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H59 1942 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H68 2041 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H67 2142 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H76 2241 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H77 2357 London Waterloo to Shepperton
5H84 0056 Shepperton to Strawberry Hill Depot

5H08 0518 Strawberry Hill Depot to Teddington
2H08 0543 Teddington to London Waterloo
2H07 0642 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H16 0741 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H15 0842 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H24 0941 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H23 1042 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H32 1141 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H31 1242 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H40 1341 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H39 1442 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H48 1541 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H47 1642 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H56 1741 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H55 1842 London Waterloo to Shepperton
5H64 1950 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2U69 2133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U76 2253 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2O77 0001 London Waterloo to Strawberry Hill
5O77 0042 Strawberry Hill to Strawberry Hill Depot

5U09 0540 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2U09 0633 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U16 0753 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U19 0903 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U26 1023 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U29 1133 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U36 1253 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U39 1403 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U46 1523 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U49 1633 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U56 1753 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U59 1903 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U66 2023 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
5Y92 2128 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings

(Not Fridays)
5J90 0635 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
5J92 0707 London Waterloo to Surbiton
2J92 0752 Surbiton to London Waterloo
5J93 0839 London Waterloo to Hampton Court
5Y52 0910 Hampton Court to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings

Saturday
5U07 0540 Strawberry Hill Depot to Twickenham
2U07 0627 Twickenham to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U17 0833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U27 1103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U37 1333 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U47 1603 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U54 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U57 1833 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U67 2103 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
5Y82 2336 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings

5H03 0549 Strawberry Hill Depot to Shepperton
2H12 0641 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H11 0742 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H20 0841 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H19 0942 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H28 1041 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H27 1142 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H36 1241 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H35 1342 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H44 1441 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H43 1542 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H52 1641 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H51 1742 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H60 1841 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H59 1942 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H68 2041 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H67 2142 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H76 2241 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2H75 2342 London Waterloo to Shepperton
5Y70 0040 Shepperton to Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings

Sunday

5K09 0644 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2K09 0718 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Wimbledon and Richmond
2O17 0917 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Richmond and Wimbledon
2H23 1048 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H34 1211 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2K33 1318 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Wimbledon and Richmond
2O41 1514 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Richmond and Wimbledon
2H47 1648 London Waterloo to Shepperton
2H58 1811 Shepperton to London Waterloo
2K57 1918 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Wimbledon and Richmond
2O65 2114 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Richmond and Wimbledon
2H71 2248 London Waterloo to Shepperton
5H71 2350 Shepperton to Strawberry Hill Depot

5U19 0807 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2U19 0844 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U26 1001 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
1U29 1125 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
1U36 1234 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U39 1344 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U46 1501 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
1U49 1625 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
1U56 1734 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U59 1844 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U66 2001 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2U71 2144 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U78 2301 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
2O79 0018 London Waterloo to Kingston
5O79 0105 Kingston to Strawberry Hill Depot

 

[Carlisle]

On balance though I'd say it's simply that the article is now out of date. After all, I'm not sure the dropping of DCO and shortened course are common knowledge outside of this sort of forum.

So could prove rather embarrassing for the bosses if it they knowingly fed the BBC & Rail Magazine etc a load of flannel by not mentioning certain important issues were likely to change only 2 days later.

 

[Goldfish62]

So could prove rather embarrassing for the bosses if it they knowingly fed the BBC & Rail Magazine etc a load of flannel by not mentioning certain important issues were likely to change only 2 days later.

Eh? What's embarrassing about it? The change obviously couldn't be divulged at that point and anyway it's a positive change.

 

[norbitonflyer]

Class 701 Diagrams in the new timetable as of tomorrow. Weekend diagrams obviously very much subject to change with engineering work.

Sunday

5K09 0644 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2K09 0718 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Wimbledon and Richmond
2O17 0917 London Waterloo to London Waterloo via Richmond and Wimbledon
...................

5U19 0807 Wimbledon Park Depot Sidings to London Waterloo
2U19 0844 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U26 1001 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo
.......................

Neither diagram running this morning. SWR claims "a shortage of drivers"

 

[Goldfish62]

Neither diagram running this morning. SWR claims "a shortage of drivers"

Same as many other operators. It's pretty wretched at the moment, but that's another topic.

 

[OneTrackMinded]

Neither diagram running this morning. SWR claims "a shortage of drivers"

I'm not surprised considering it's a Sunday. If it's a 50/50 on weekdays then today it's probably only 10%

 

[Towers]

I'm not surprised considering it's a Sunday. If it's a 50/50 on weekdays then today it's probably only 10%

Only, SWR’s drivers have Sunday as a normal working day do they not?

 

[Goldfish62]

Only, SWR’s drivers have Sunday as a normal working day do they not?

Yes, for many years and as pointed out many times on these forums!

Anyone who has tried to use SWR over the past week or so will be aware that the cancellations are spread throughout the week.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Neither diagram running this morning. SWR claims "a shortage of drivers"

One of the two diagrams has been reinstated with a pair of 455s. Ignore the "This service is cancelled." which is a problem RTT has with VSTP cancelled and subsequently VSTP re-instated trains. You can see from the actual timings that it dud run.

Realtime Trains | 2O17 0917 London Waterloo to London Waterloo | 15/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 2O17 0917 departure from London Waterloo to London Waterloo on 15/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk