Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[MR-507508]

I can confirm that the 507 pair is in fact not in operation on the diagram, Running two minutes late out of Bootle Oriel Road

Sorry, is that not in operation, the 507s are not out working this evening?

 

[cspotting_]

Also about 507018, It was intentionally supposed to be one of the first to leave, However it had its overhaul instead. And it showed! If you see photos and videos of it before its overhaul you can see it looked very run down, Similar to how 507032 looked at the beginning of this year with the paint on the lights faded off. Overall though as a unit it stood strong and back in 2022 when it came out of its overhaul I noticed it was loud but not many people knew that. The only thing about it now is the countless amount of people who chase it

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Sorry, is that not in operation, the 507s are not out working this evening?

Correct, The 507’s are not in operation

 

[Bikeman78]

003 should be the one going, That ones horrendous

Agreed. Does the metal pole attached to the luggage rack still shudder and vibrate behind one of the cabs?

 

[prod_pep]

Also about 507018, It was intentionally supposed to be one of the first to leave, However it had its overhaul instead. And it showed! If you see photos and videos of it before its overhaul you can see it looked very run down, Similar to how 507032 looked at the beginning of this year with the paint on the lights faded off. Overall though as a unit it stood strong and back in 2022 when it came out of its overhaul I noticed it was loud but not many people knew that. The only thing about it now is the countless amount of people who chase it

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Correct, The 507’s are not in operation

018 was one of the fourteen 507s expected to be retained the longest under the earlier plan, so it was not intended to leave early. It definitely did look rough prior to its last overhaul, however.

Although 018 was excellent towards the end, it still wasn't a patch on 008. What a sound that one's motors made and it rode superbly right up to its last day.

 

[a4 Sir Nigel]

Are 507023 and 507029 getting withdrawn next week?

 

[MR-507508]

Does anyone know if the the three 507s (507003, 023 and 029) remain serviceable?
507023 was pulled from service last Saturday at Birkenhead Central due to a fault and has not ran since, any idea what the fault was, has it been resolved?
There were some report 003 and 029 may have had a fault Thursday morning?

 

[zain_031]

Does anyone know if the the three 507s (507003, 023 and 029) remain serviceable?
507023 was pulled from service last Saturday at Birkenhead Central due to a fault and has not ran since, any idea what the fault was, has it been resolved?
There were some report 003 and 029 may have had a fault Thursday morning?

023 is still showing as in New Brighton Wall Sidings, so supposedly still has its fault.

003/029 im not to sure about

 

[Pacef8]

Hypothetically if the last old 507 breaks down in the loop how does it get recovered if diesels can’t enter the tunnel ?

 

[simonmpoulton]

They have an emergency coupling adapter to allow a 777 to rescue it if required. They have used it to pull 507's out of the BKN shed before with a 777

 

[Pacef8]

thanks

 

[D365]

Is 001 not operating?

 

[Sam 76]

It has been mentioned by a reliable source on Merseyrailways 2.0 FB that none of the 507s are currently serviceable

 

[simonmpoulton]

001 had a MA fault and I believe was botched for the tour based on the noises it was making. 023 failed in service last Saturday, 003 / 029 had a fault in the week I believe.

 

[DJH1971]

It has been mentioned by a reliable source on Merseyrailways 2.0 FB that none of the 507s are currently serviceable

Looks like the end once and for all

 

[Sam 76]

Looks like the end once and for all

It could well be, especially as I believe none of the units have thus far been to Birkenhead to be looked at.

Would be a real shame if they did go out like that. Still get the feeling 001 will be patched up for one last trip

 

[Formby EMU Fan]

Would be a real shame if they did go out like that. Still get the feeling 001 will be patched up for one last trip

I hope so, particularly as it may need to run at the Rail 200 event next year at Derby, and it would be good if it then went in to preservation in its best condition. But, would they go to the effort at this stage to swap a Traction Motor (from 018 for example) to rectify 001s MA fault?

 

[warwickshire]

The paths for the next 507 scrap move have appeared.

Realtime Trains | 0N38 1131 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 01/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 0N38 1131 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 01/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5Q78 0554 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 02/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 0554 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 02/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 0H72 1246 Newport Docks (Simsgroup) to Wembley H.S. | 02/12/2024

Real-time train running information for 0H72 1246 departure from Newport Docks (Simsgroup) to Wembley H.S. on 02/12/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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37800, has left Derby 9 early according to Old Rail Record Website. On ON38 1131 Derby Rtc Network Rail to Birkenhead Central.

 

[WirralLine]

I hope so, particularly as it may need to run at the Rail 200 event next year at Derby, and it would be good if it then went in to preservation in its best condition. But, would they go to the effort at this stage to swap a Traction Motor (from 018 for example) to rectify 001s MA fault?

Swapping a traction motor wouldn't rectify a Motor Alternator fault. It'll either be MA itself is knackered, a control card fault, or the MA speed regulator. Whilst the latter 2 would be preferable and much more straight forward than swapping the MA itself, it seems unlikely it'll have any time spent on it now.

 

[prod_pep]

It looks likely the last moves of Class 507s under their own power on Merseyrail will take place tomorrow, following the removal of 507007/018 in the morning. 507003/029 from Southport and 023 from New Brighton to Birkenhead North, where the remaining four will await their fate in the shed. As always with these moves, they almost certainly won't appear in the system until the last minute, so any confirmation the plan is to move them tomorrow and roughly when would be greatly appreciated.

Such a shame they went out with a whimper, but no great surprise. To have managed the last passenger journey of the 313, 314, 315 and 508 but not my favourite 507 class is very disappointing.

 

[simonmpoulton]

Such a shame they went out with a whimper, but no great surprise.

Definitely a real shame, although i'm grateful that I managed to ride 018 on it's last full day of passenger service! Certainly seems like I won't get the chance for the others!

 

[zain_031]

It looks likely the last moves of Class 507s under their own power on Merseyrail will take place tomorrow, following the removal of 507007/018 in the morning. 507003/029 from Southport and 023 from New Brighton to Birkenhead North, where the remaining four will await their fate in the shed. As always with these moves, they almost certainly won't appear in the system until the last minute, so any confirmation the plan is to move them tomorrow and roughly when would be greatly appreciated.

Such a shame they went out with a whimper, but no great surprise. To have managed the last passenger journey of the 313, 314, 315 and 508 but not my favourite 507 class is very disappointing.

is this 100% confirmed to be their last runs? e.g no chance of one subbing if more 777s fail?

Shame they went out like this, was hoping to be on their last ride

 

[cspotting_]

Looks like 018 and 007’s scrap move is late, It hasn’t passed Bidston yet

 

[Borkyyy]

It looks likely the last moves of Class 507s under their own power on Merseyrail will take place tomorrow, following the removal of 507007/018 in the morning. 507003/029 from Southport and 023 from New Brighton to Birkenhead North, where the remaining four will await their fate in the shed. As always with these moves, they almost certainly won't appear in the system until the last minute, so any confirmation the plan is to move them tomorrow and roughly when would be greatly appreciated.

Not even one last service as a 6 car on Southports with 003 and 029? If this is the main plan then that is utter crap. No notice of when the last train will run, something which was done for 508104s last run. Real shame.

 

[Sam 76]

Not even one last service as a 6 car on Southports with 003 and 029? If this is the main plan then that is utter crap. No notice of when the last train will run, something which was done for 508104s last run. Real shame.

003 and 029 failed on Wednesday morning and as of Saturday were non serviceable. I imagine the plan was to keep them running as long as possible. But if nothing has changed they will need a depot visit anyway

 

[Borkyyy]

003 and 029 failed on Wednesday morning and as of Saturday were non serviceable. I imagine the plan was to keep them running as long as possible. But if nothing has changed they will need a depot visit anyway

Fair enough, but its not the way I'd expect the 507s to go out. Such a shame.

 

[prod_pep]

003 and 029 failed on Wednesday morning and as of Saturday were non serviceable. I imagine the plan was to keep them running as long as possible. But if nothing has changed they will need a depot visit anyway

No they didn't. They were in service on Thursday morning but have not been used since, reportedly due to issues drawing power.

 

[D365]

It could well be, especially as I believe none of the units have thus far been to Birkenhead to be looked at.

Would be a real shame if they did go out like that. Still get the feeling 001 will be patched up for one last trip

Swapping a traction motor wouldn't rectify a Motor Alternator fault. It'll either be MA itself is knackered, a control card fault, or the MA speed regulator. Whilst the latter 2 would be preferable and much more straight forward than swapping the MA itself, it seems unlikely it'll have any time spent on it now.

It is very unlikely that 001 will received any attention at Birkenhead. It only needs to be in a fit state to be transported to Litchurch Lane.

 

[zain_031]

Anyone know what time 023/003/029 are moving to North? Still cant see any pathing for them

 

[prod_pep]

Anyone know what time 023/003/029 are moving to North? Still cant see any pathing for them

Probably won't happen until if/when the scrap drag finally leaves Birkenhead North. It's already two hours late.

 

[simonmpoulton]

Heading towards 3 hours late for the scrap move. I heard a rumour that the loco has broken down.