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ECML Major Disruption (09-Oct-24)

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A major lineside fire in Stevenage (appears to be near the junction by the GSK Factory) means trains are blocked on both the Hertford North and ECML

Lincoln bound LNER service is currently terminated at Knebworth with passengers let out

 
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All line blocked from Stevenage to Welwyn Garden City.

Line side fire in a signal cable trough, and as a result all signalling lost.

GTR/Great Northern services all spinning short, eg Hitchin.

LNER advise as usual Do not travel.

Fire Brigade on scene. But can imagine this will cause chaos for the rest of the day.

Tweet and content from LNER below
Due to a lineside fire near Stevenage all lines are blocked and our advise is DO NOT TRAVEL.

Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

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The following information is taken from the link in the LNER tweet I posted above:-

Advice for customers who have not yet started their rail journey:

We strongly advise you to avoid travelling. Some trains are running, but there is major disruption, and you may be heavily delayed and/or experience severe overcrowding.

London stations are extremely busy.

What are your options?

Defer your travel to a later date


  • If you have a LNER train ticket dated for today, Wednesday 9 October, you will be able to use your existing ticket on another LNER service tomorrow, Thursday 10 October. Our route is expected to be open as normal tomorrow.
Claim a full refund

  • If you choose not to travel by train, you will be entitled to a full refund.
Advice for customers who have already commenced their rail journey:

  • If you are on board an LNER serviceaffected by this disruption, your Train Manager will keep you updated with information about the incident and the impact on your journey today. Our on-board team are working hard to keep you comfortable whilst we get you moving again. If you need any urgent help – onward travel connections / flights, medical needs etc. please speak to a member of the on train team or call our Customer Services Team on 03457 225 333.
  • If you are currently waiting at your home station, we advise not to travel by train today. Please defer your travel to tomorrow, Thursday 10 October.
  • If you are currently waiting at a station which is not your home location, please listen out for station announcements or speak to a member of station staff. If you are unable to complete your journey today and require hotel accommodation, please speak to a member of station staff.
You can use your LNER ticket with the following train companies:

  • Avanti West Coast between Edinburgh/Manchester and London Euston in both directions
  • Northern Rail between York/Doncaster and Leeds and Sheffield in both directions
  • EMR services between Sheffield and London St Pancras in both directions
  • TransPennine Express services between Manchester and Edinburgh in both directions
  • CrossCountry services between Leeds and Edinburgh in both directions
 

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There is a post going around on X/Twitter stating that the OHLE wires have been melted, and a signalling substation has been taken out. I believe the fire is next to a GSK factory as well, so not the most ideal location...

https://x.com/aviationcomment/status/1843995150043029965
Anyone considering travelling on East coast Mainline Services should make alternative arrangements. A CODE BLACK Status has been declared due to a major fire incident at Stevenage Overhead Wires have melted and taken out a signalling sub station. Nothing is moving, trains halted
 

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There is a post going around on X/Twitter stating that the OHLE wires have been melted, and a signalling substation has been taken out. I believe the fire is next to a GSK factory as well, so not the most ideal location...

https://x.com/aviationcomment/status/1843995150043029965
The OHL has tripped. Not heard anything about a substation, the fire is out (cable troughing). Fire service are dampening down the area.
 

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There is a post going around on X/Twitter stating that the OHLE wires have been melted, and a signalling substation has been taken out. I believe the fire is next to a GSK factory as well, so not the most ideal location...

https://x.com/aviationcomment/status/1843995150043029965

It's a mere cable fire, overheads turned off so the fire brigade could attend. There's been a tripping that may or may not be related, but nothing more.
 

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A tweet by network rail shows the severity of the fire, also included the picture from the tweet.


DO NOT TRAVEL⛔️

The fire service are tackling flames in our signal cables near Stevenage

‍♂️Our teams are on standby to start repairs as soon as it is safe

⏲️We regret that major delays to trains are expected for the rest of today
 

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Burnt out the signal cables apparently.
and the rest, it will (I think) be a new cable(s) run, respliced away from the damaged area, then full testing for interlocking / signal operation etc
 

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Just watched one of the much-vaunted on here Lumo trains dump all its passengers in Peterborough… ticket acceptance as far as Doncaster(with LNER)if you can get on… what next if you’re for Newcastle/Scotland?
 

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Just watched one of the much-vaunted on here Lumo trains dump all its passengers in Peterborough… ticket acceptance as far as Doncaster(with LNER)if you can get on… what next if you’re for Newcastle/Scotland?
That’s 1E82 a southbound service ‘dumping’ its passengers, it can’t go south so what would you like them to do?

‘Dumping’ customers at Peterborough exactly the same as LNER.

It is then going north as a 1Z95 Peterborough to Newcastle, then at Newcastle will form 1S97 to Edinburgh.
 

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Just watched one of the much-vaunted on here Lumo trains dump all its passengers in Peterborough… ticket acceptance as far as Doncaster(with LNER)if you can get on… what next if you’re for Newcastle/Scotland?
Lumo acceptance is as follows:

Avanti West Coast services between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly
TransPennine Express services between Manchester Piccadilly/Leeds and Hull and Manchester Piccadilly and Sheffield/Doncaster.
LNER services between Peterborough and Doncaster.
East Midland Railway services between Sheffield and London St Pancras
Northern services between Doncaster and Leeds.

So it'll be a long way round for customers between London and Scotland!
 

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They have Northern acceptance from Doncaster to Leeds now too. So it would be:
Northern to Leeds
TPE to Manchester
TPE to Edinburgh

Typical Lumo for you though :lol:
As I replied above. Lumo are running north with that set to Edinburgh, so yeah typical Lumo, running a service to Edinburgh!
 

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They have Northern acceptance from Doncaster to Leeds now too. So it would be:
Northern to Leeds
TPE to Manchester
TPE to Edinburgh

Typical Lumo for you though :lol:
Typical Open Access operator dumping its passengers!
 

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The same as LNER is doing at Peterborough, what would you like them to do with the customers?
How are they expected to get to London? There’s no ticket acceptance on XC to access the Pancras or Liverpool St routes… no dump them in Peterborough and hope they pay more…
 

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How are they expected to get to London? There’s no ticket acceptance on XC to access the Pancras or Liverpool St routes… no dump them in Peterborough and hope they pay more…
The train can not get to London. So the train can not run.
It will be exactly the same as with LNER, Hull and GC.

The customers *should* get the option of returning north, to a suitable station where acceptance with other operators allows them to continue there journey on operators accepting tickets

It isn’t just Lumo in this situation it is every operator that uses the ECML. But yes let’s just focus on Lumo as it is Open Access.
 

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although Avanti ticket acceptance is only as far as Manchestet, I’m on a Euston-Birmingham-Edinburgh (over-)full of East Coast passengers. It’ll be a brave TM telling them all to get off at Crewe …
 

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although Avanti ticket acceptance is only as far as Manchestet, I’m on a Euston-Birmingham-Edinburgh (over-)full of East Coast passengers. It’ll be a brave TM telling them all to get off at Crewe …
Avanti acceptance is in place between Edinburgh and London Euston.
Below is the latest on LNER website:-

You can use your LNER ticket with the following train companies:

  • Avanti West Coast between Edinburgh/Manchester and London Euston in both directions
  • Northern Rail between York/Doncaster and Leeds and Sheffield in both directions
  • EMR services between Sheffield and London St Pancras in both directions
  • TransPennine Express services between Manchester and Edinburgh in both directions
  • CrossCountry services between Leeds and Edinburgh in both directions
  • LUMO services between Edinburgh and York.
  • Hull Trains services between Hull and Peterborough.
 

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although Avanti ticket acceptance is only as far as Manchestet, I’m on a Euston-Birmingham-Edinburgh (over-)full of East Coast passengers. It’ll be a brave TM telling them all to get off at Crewe …
Avanti are accepting to Edinburgh.

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That’s 1E82 a southbound service ‘dumping’ its passengers, it can’t go south so what would you like them to do?

‘Dumping’ customers at Peterborough exactly the same as LNER.

It is then going north as a 1Z95 Peterborough to Newcastle, then at Newcastle will form 1S97 to Edinburgh.
1Z95 is cancelled too. There is now a 5E84 from York to Newcastle to form 1S97.
 
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Is this the point to ask if the ETCS signalling remained functional while the classic cabling was in meltdown?
Not that today's regular services could use it.
 

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How are they expected to get to London? There’s no ticket acceptance on XC to access the Pancras or Liverpool St routes… no dump them in Peterborough and hope they pay more…

It's a bit rubbish, but there's very little spare capacity on Peterborough-Ely (5 already busy carriages an hour, with an extra 4 every other hour) and even less on Peterborough-Leicester (3 already busy carriages an hour) so practically speaking you can't realistically try to put trainloads of extra people on those routes.
 

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Avanti are accepting to Edinburgh.

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1Z95 is cancelled too. There is now a 5E84 from York to Newcastle to form 1S97.
1Z95 departed from Peterborough heading north and is showing as running to Edinburgh, plan was term NCL to form 1S97, unless things have changed. Where are you seeing it cancelled except for a path on RTT, as the other path showing it running is in there?

5E84 is off the terminated 1E84 and is returning to Heaton. (That is, or was the plan, but obviously things change).
 
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