Class 365 PBC Unit and PIS system

[D365]

The only thing missing now is the classic door release bong!

 

[365 Networker]

The only thing missing now is the classic door release bong!

You will probably enjoy this video - not only does it include the door release bell, it also contains the classic dynamic braking sounds, original announcements and thanks to the lack of passenger sounds, the characteristic "hum" sound the 365s used to make can be heard in great detail.

 

[D365]

You will probably enjoy this video - not only does it include the door release bell, it also contains the classic dynamic braking sounds, original announcements and thanks to the lack of passenger sounds, the characteristic "hum" sound the 365s used to make can be heard in great detail.

Excellent - I’ve been looking for a video with all of that. Thank you. And the video caption indicates that this is unit 365524, so that’s one of the three carriages that was saved from Newport!

 

[WMasterJedi]

This is just an idea but I have heard that you would've entered the headcode of your train into the announcement unit, I wonder if the visual PIS controller and audible PIS controller connect and possibly when you enter your trains headcode it tells the visual PIS controller to become master.

This could be all wrong and it may see if the reverser is in off or not.

 

[365 Networker]

This is just an idea but I have heard that you would've entered the headcode of your train into the announcement unit, I wonder if the visual PIS controller and audible PIS controller connect and possibly when you enter your trains headcode it tells the visual PIS controller to become master.

This could be all wrong and it may see if the reverser is in off or not.

That does sound plausible – there must have been some link between the audio and visual systems – hopefully this will become clear when the audio unit turns up. I also seem to remember that the stopping pattern could be modified via the keypad – it will be very interesting to see what functions are available.

 

[WMasterJedi]

That does sound plausible – there must have been some link between the audio and visual systems – hopefully this will become clear when the audio unit turns up. I also seem to remember that the stopping pattern could be modified via the keypad – it will be very interesting to see what functions are available.

It will be arriving either tomorrow or Wednesday, so we'll see then!

 

[365 Networker]

I wonder if the SE announcements will also work - presumably they are also on the EPROM board with the unit?

 

[WMasterJedi]

Unfortunately the audible PIS controller unit has not arrived yet however it should be coming soon.

I was having a look inside the internal screen which goes above the cab door and is a couple years older than the others when I noticed that where the data wires connected to the PCB it says RS485 which however the screen used MIL spec connectors, RS485 usually uses serial which made me come back to think about the one on the visual PIS controller.

Which means I have another theory for that serial connector on the visual PIS controller which is that it’s how it sends data to the internal screens but splits off into MIL spec connectors.

I am not 100% sure but does through a new thing into the mix.

 

[WMasterJedi]

I did it!!!!

I have properly made the controller master!!!!

 

[WMasterJedi]

Here is an image of it showing Victoria via Faversham!!!

 

[WMasterJedi]

 

[365 Networker]

Excellent work! Hopefully the audio unit turns up soon. My guess is that the destination unit links to the audio unit which in turn links to the interior displays and speakers. How did you manage to get the controller into master?

 

[WMasterJedi]

Excellent work! Hopefully the audio unit turns up soon. My guess is that the destination unit links to the audio unit which in turn links to the interior displays and speakers. How did you manage to get the controller into master?

I used the big input PCB (which all the inputs connect to before going to the main control PCBs) from my other controller to test out various inputs in a safe way without damaging anything, and I found some input lines that were connected to some opto isolators which are like optical switches that use LEDs and completely isolate one circuit from another. I worked out the required voltage was 72 volts from the resistors.

So I connected to a ground pin and three positive pins with 72V and with a couple relay clicks the text "DRIVER NUMBER ?" showed which I immediately knew meant it entered master. Also after going into the main menu I could see that there was no longer "NOT master" text and the extra 2 options appeared compared to just 1.

Interestingly trying the code for the secret menu didn't work and instead just showed the text "Running as MASTER ( press <CAN> )" See image below



As expected I am very very happy about all of this, I am able to make the controller master but in the safe proper way as it's meant to be!

 

[365 Networker]

I used the big input PCB (which all the inputs connect to before going to the main control PCBs) from my other controller to test out various inputs in a safe way without damaging anything, and I found some input lines that were connected to some opto isolators which are like optical switches that use LEDs and completely isolate one circuit from another. I worked out the required voltage was 72 volts from the resistors.

So I connected to a ground pin and three positive pins with 72V and with a couple relay clicks the text "DRIVER NUMBER ?" showed which I immediately knew meant it entered master. Also after going into the main menu I could see that there was no longer "NOT master" text and the extra 2 options appeared compared to just 1.

Interestingly trying the code for the secret menu didn't work and instead just showed the text "Running as MASTER ( press <CAN> )" See image below

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As expected I am very very happy about all of this, I am able to make the controller master but in the safe proper way as it's meant to be!

Very interesting. Are any of the GN routes available?

 

[WMasterJedi]

Very interesting. Are any of the GN routes available?

From my past experience of extracting the database data from my other controller I know that the GT North and South East routes are both stored on the same chip so there must be another secret code or something like that to switch the database.

 

[365 Networker]

Has the audio unit arrived yet? If not it might be a good idea to contact the seller.

 

[D365]

Unfortunately the audible PIS controller unit has not arrived yet however it should be coming soon.

I was having a look inside the internal screen which goes above the cab door and is a couple years older than the others when I noticed that where the data wires connected to the PCB it says RS485 which however the screen used MIL spec connectors, RS485 usually uses serial which made me come back to think about the one on the visual PIS controller.

Which means I have another theory for that serial connector on the visual PIS controller which is that it’s how it sends data to the internal screens but splits off into MIL spec connectors.

MIL spec connectors are common on railway hardware.

 

[365 Networker]

From my past experience of extracting the database data from my other controller I know that the GT North and South East routes are both stored on the same chip so there must be another secret code or something like that to switch the database.

Any updates on this or the audio controller?

 

[WMasterJedi]

Any updates on this or the audio controller?

Hi, sorry I have been taking a break from doing these for personal reasons.

I may be continuing in a week or two.

 

[365 Networker]

Hi, sorry I have been taking a break from doing these for personal reasons.

I may be continuing in a week or two.

No worries - I will look forward to any future updates.

 

[WMasterJedi]

Any updates on this or the audio controller?

Just had a go and it WORKS!!!!!

 

[WMasterJedi]

I simply applied 110VDC and it booted up!

It asks for a message ID then after pressing send the PA button lights and the announcement plays!

I don't have any speakers connected, the audio plays through the handset!!!!

 

[365 Networker]

I simply applied 110VDC and it booted up!

It asks for a message ID then after pressing send the PA button lights and the announcement plays!

I don't have any speakers connected, the audio plays through the handset!!!!

Fantastic! Do you have the codes for the special announcements? If not I can paste them in here as I have all of them.

 

[WMasterJedi]

Fantastic! Do you have the codes for the special announcements? If not I can paste them in here as I have all of them.

That would be awesome!

 

[WMasterJedi]

Also worked out that the audio connector is a XLR connector.

 

[WMasterJedi]

By holding the PA button you can perform a manual announcement, by then pressing the red button on the handset the PA chime will play and your voice will come through the speaker.

This leads me to believe that the handset speaker and external speakers are linked together and play the same things.

 

[365 Networker]

That would be awesome!

Here they are:-
01 - Stand clear of the doors
02 - Please listen for announcements
03 - This train terminates here
04 - This train is being diverted
05 - This train has developed a fault
06 - This train is empty to the depot
07 - This service will be affected by engineering work
08 - This train is non-stop to Kings Cross
09 - Please ensure you take all your belongings with you
10 - Special Announcement: Wait for door buttons to illuminate
11 - Special Announcement: Check that other passengers have alighted and boarded before pressing door close
12 - Special Announcement: Hustle Alarm
13 - Special Announcement: Mind the gap between platform and step
14 - Train phone available
15 - Special Announcement: Ensure that bags and articles are safely stowed
16 - A catering service will be provided
17 - No catering service
18 - Special Announcement: New Timetable
19 - Please make use of the luggage racks
20 - Due to engineering work, this train is being diverted.

 

[365 Networker]

By holding the PA button you can perform a manual announcement, by then pressing the red button on the handset the PA chime will play and your voice will come through the speaker.

This leads me to believe that the handset speaker and external speakers are linked together and play the same things.

Have you discovered a "test" mode? That could be a way of getting clean audio for all the announcements. I know the later version of this PIS system used on the electrostars had this feature - there's a few videos on YouTube showing this.

 

[WMasterJedi]

Amazing update!

I have been able to find the amplified audio output that would go to the passenger saloon speakers!

I have then been able to connect this to some computer speakers using crocodile clips on the audio jack.

This means I now have a clean and loud output!

See it in action in this video!

 

[365 Networker]

Amazing update!

I have been able to find the amplified audio output that would go to the passenger saloon speakers!

I have then been able to connect this to some computer speakers using crocodile clips on the audio jack.

This means I now have a clean and loud output!

See it in action in this video!

Brilliant! Any luck getting the welcome aboard messages to play? I wonder if you have to link the audio unit to the visual controller?