Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[MR-507508]

Several Merseyrail people have confirmed to me that 507s will be used on the Ormskirk to Hunts Cross service from Monday and that's good enough for me. If 507 usage were not planned, there would be no morning ECS to Hunts Cross from Birkenhead North, outside which a 507 pair is stabled overnight. This ECS is not currently showing beyond the December timetable change.

Leaving units stabled in sidings and only used ad hoc is impractical and crew knowledge could start to become a problem with 507s remaining into December.

Will be great to see the 507s on the Ormskirk line so hopefully that is the case for some.

 

[Sam 76]

Several Merseyrail people have confirmed to me that 507s will be used on the Ormskirk to Hunts Cross service from Monday and that's good enough for me. If 507 usage were not planned, there would be no morning ECS to Hunts Cross from Birkenhead North, outside which a 507 pair is stabled overnight. This ECS is not currently showing beyond the December timetable change.

Leaving units stabled in sidings and only used ad hoc is impractical and crew knowledge could start to become a problem with 507s remaining into December.

Only thing I would say is that again yesterday Tim.B mentioned that they would only be ad hoc on all routes and wouldn’t be surprised if this is just a 3 car set.

Seems very confusing but fingers crossed your intel is correct

 

[DevonTrains]

Hi all , I'm very un-knowledgeable about Merseyrail services, however tommorow i'll be going to the area and i'm wondering what services do the 507s operate on Saturdays?. Is it all "as required" working or are they still scheduled?

 

[MR-507508]

Hi all , I'm very un-knowledgeable about Merseyrail services, however tommorow i'll be going to the area and i'm wondering what services do the 507s operate on Saturdays?. Is it all "as required" working or are they still scheduled?

There should be 3 x 6 cars operating on the Southport - Hunts Cross this Saturday under the diagrams as listed in an earlier post.
This is the final day 3 diagrams are booked to be worked by the 507s, with a timetable change coming from 25th August.

 

[zain_031]

Several Merseyrail people have confirmed to me that 507s will be used on the Ormskirk to Hunts Cross service from Monday and that's good enough for me. If 507 usage were not planned, there would be no morning ECS to Hunts Cross from Birkenhead North, outside which a 507 pair is stabled overnight. This ECS is not currently showing beyond the December timetable change.

Leaving units stabled in sidings and only used ad hoc is impractical and crew knowledge could start to become a problem with 507s remaining into December.

There should be 3 x 6 cars operating on the Southport - Hunts Cross this Saturday under the diagrams as listed in an earlier post.
This is the final day 3 diagrams are booked to be worked by the 507s, with a timetable change coming from 25th August.

Loosing all diagrams or just not 3?

 

[alistairlees]

Any news today?

 

[simonmpoulton]

There are three pairs of 507s out on the Southport to Hunts Cross service today.

 

[MerseyPEPpers]

There are three pairs of 507s out on the Southport to Hunts Cross service today.

507001 + 029, 003 + 018 & 016 + 023

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Diagrams should be finished once the 2257 is complete. After that, 507s will only operate to fill in broken down 777s (for what I've heard from people)

 

[Borkyyy]

507001 + 029, 003 + 018 & 016 + 023

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Diagrams should be finished once the 2257 is complete. After that, 507s will only operate to fill in broken down 777s (for what I've heard from people)

Multiple people have been saying that 507s will run on Ormskirks to Hunts Cross with the new timetable being put into place whilst 8 cars run on Central to Southports.

i believe due to this reason it seems likely to have the 2 x 6 car 507 running on Ormskirks for peak times. For Sundays however there will probably be no booked 507 runs since they may not be needed since trains run mostly at 30 minute frequency on all lines

 

[ls2270]

507001 and 029 are working today, starting with 2G10 0803 Southport to Liverpool Central. Everything else is 777s as it currently stands.

 

[zain_031]

Multiple people have been saying that 507s will run on Ormskirks to Hunts Cross with the new timetable being put into place whilst 8 cars run on Central to Southports.

i believe due to this reason it seems likely to have the 2 x 6 car 507 running on Ormskirks for peak times. For Sundays however there will probably be no booked 507 runs since they may not be needed since trains run mostly at 30 minute frequency on all lines

Ive been told multiple things, so im not entirely sure what’s happening. However I believe that Sunday Diagrams where replaced a while ago and they’ve only put them back on for extra capacity during summer, they will probaly go back to 777s soon

 

[MerseyPEPpers]

Multiple people have been saying that 507s will run on Ormskirks to Hunts Cross with the new timetable being put into place whilst 8 cars run on Central to Southports.

i believe due to this reason it seems likely to have the 2 x 6 car 507 running on Ormskirks for peak times. For Sundays however there will probably be no booked 507 runs since they may not be needed since trains run mostly at 30 minute frequency on all lines

Alot of things have been said but this one sums them all up

 

[507016]

No 507s to been seen up the hunts cross line this morning, and so it begins…

 

[ls2270]

And none out today (Tuesday 27th) either!

 

[MattRat]

Can someone tell me how to track 507 movements? I've tried using realtime trains, but either I'm missing something, or the information isn't there

 

[ls2270]

Can someone tell me how to track 507 movements? I've tried using realtime trains, but either I'm missing something, or the information isn't there

You can’t! Merseyrail don’t show unit information on RTT.

 

[Sam 76]

2x3 car sets on Birkenhead North shuttle services due to signal problems on New Brighton line. For those interested catch them while you can

 

[MR-507508]

2x3 car sets on Birkenhead North shuttle services due to signal problems on New Brighton line. For those interested catch them while you can

Any idea what unit numbers?

 

[Sam 76]

Any idea what unit numbers?

I’ve seen pictures of 018 this morning but unsure of the other

 

[ndjefc82]

2x3 car sets on Birkenhead North shuttle services due to signal problems on New Brighton line. For those interested catch them while you can

Will be subbed for 777's upon arriving at New Brighton

 

[Sam 76]

Will be subbed for 777's upon arriving at New Brighton

It really does feel like end of an era when 777s are taking back over duties at the first opportunity

 

[MR-507508]

I have heard on another forum, 507010 and 507017 has offically been withdrawn from service. Both units I assume should be off to Newport on Monday (2nd Sept.) - no path in RTT as yet.
I do wonder why 507017 was kept at Birkenhead North depot for so long (it has not worked since 25th July), was 017 used as a spare parts donor to other units?

 

[duffman82]

Several Merseyrail people have confirmed to me that 507s will be used on the Ormskirk to Hunts Cross service from Monday and that's good enough for me. If 507 usage were not planned, there would be no morning ECS to Hunts Cross from Birkenhead North, outside which a 507 pair is stabled overnight. This ECS is not currently showing beyond the December timetable change.

Leaving units stabled in sidings and only used ad hoc is impractical and crew knowledge could start to become a problem with 507s remaining into December.

Seems this never came to fruition then.

 

[8J]

Seems this never came to fruition then.

I believe Merseytravel objected to the plans to do this. It was however very much something that Merseyrail had planned and diagrammed to do.

 

[prod_pep]

I believe Merseytravel objected to the plans to do this. It was however very much something that Merseyrail had planned and diagrammed to do.

Yes, there is nothing quite like a decree from on high. Consequently, the network has its lowest number of paired workings at peak times since electrification. The Ormskirk line is back to no extra peak capacity as a result, despite perfectly serviceable units lining sidings across the network.

It's not just enthusiasts who are affected by this ridiculous decision.

 

[MR-507508]

Paths in for Mondays scrap move for 507010 and 507017.

Realtime Trains | 0N38 1204 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 01/09/2024

Real-time train running information for 0N38 1204 departure from Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 01/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5Q78 0459 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 02/09/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 0459 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 02/09/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Are there any 507s out today?
I saw a post on social media from a passenger complaining about putting a 3 car train out, are they confusing this with a 4 car 777?

 

[Borkyyy]

Are there any 507s out today?
I saw a post on social media from a passenger complaining about putting a 3 car train out, are they confusing this with a 4 car 777777

Not that I have seen. Anyone know which 507 was sat at Kirkdale today, dunno whether its still there or not.

 

[Bikeman78]

Yes, there is nothing quite like a decree from on high. Consequently, the network has its lowest number of paired workings at peak times since electrification. The Ormskirk line is back to no extra peak capacity as a result, despite perfectly serviceable units lining sidings across the network.

It's not just enthusiasts who are affected by this ridiculous decision.

Why not keep them on the Southport line until Cressington has been sorted and the last few 777 have entered service? Very strange decision.

 

[jamesst]

Why not keep them on the Southport line until Cressington has been sorted and the last few 777 have entered service? Very strange decision.

Politics

 

[Skie]

Politics

And cost. Keeping the 507s about is a pointless expense if you can use the new fleet with a temporary diagram change.