Northern Class 331 East:West unit swap

[61653 HTAFC]

Indeed, so usually it has four points and five sides...

Though two of the sides intersect with each other (Ilkley-Bradford and Leeds-Skipton), which is unlike any quadrilateral I've ever seen!

 

[InkyScrolls]

Though two of the sides intersect with each other (Ilkley-Bradford and Leeds-Skipton), which is unlike any quadrilateral I've ever seen!

Perhaps we're taking this too literally...

 

[Grumpy]

Not until 323s are deployed en masse on Manchester Airport to Blackpool North services. More 331s will be required in Yorkshire for the December timetable change when six car working begins,

The platform extensions at the likes of Guiseley, Menston and Burley look to be physically complete but remain barriered off. Is there any reason for this eg does someone from ORR have to inspect them?
Keeping them barriered off seems daft and at some cost-I noticed the Burley upside platform barrier had blown over in the wind yesterday

 

[Halish Railway]

The platform extensions at the likes of Guiseley, Menston and Burley look to be physically complete but remain barriered off. Is there any reason for this eg does someone from ORR have to inspect them?
Keeping them barriered off seems daft and at some cost-I noticed the Burley upside platform barrier had blown over in the wind yesterday

They don’t look complete yet, a few haven’t had tactile paving completely finished yet.

 

[vincenth06]

The platform extensions at the likes of Guiseley, Menston and Burley look to be physically complete but remain barriered off. Is there any reason for this eg does someone from ORR have to inspect them?
Keeping them barriered off seems daft and at some cost-I noticed the Burley upside platform barrier had blown over in the wind yesterday

They finished Bingley a while ago but it has been bordered off ever since. Not sure why though, could just be until the 6 carriage train sets are running.

 

[aliceh]

333009 has done a round trip in passenger service between Leeds and Doncaster this morning. Must be one of the first 333 services since the transfers started?

RTT shows it being swapped out for a 331 once it arrives back at Leeds, so just the two trips for today, it would seem.

 

[skyhigh]

333009 has done a round trip in passenger service between Leeds and Doncaster this morning. Must be one of the first 333 services since the transfers started?

RTT shows it being swapped out for a 331 once it arrives back at Leeds, so just the two trips for today, it would seem.

It won't be repeated any time soon...

 

[D6130]

It won't be repeated any time soon...

Why not?

 

[Halish Railway]

333009 has done a round trip in passenger service between Leeds and Doncaster this morning. Must be one of the first 333 services since the transfers started?

I believe it happened a few months ago as a last minute swap.

 

[skyhigh]

Why not?

The platform at South Elmsall is very tight - when 331/1s worked the route the rear door was locked out by ASDO.

321s had shorter coaches so also didn't have a problem.

Despite 333s being cleared for the route, on a reassessment a few months back in preparation for full service it was decided that mitigation (i.e. a stop board in the correct location, potentially slightly off the platform end) was required before any further 333s operated in passenger service. Until that point you won't see any more in service on that route.

 

[Adam0984]

There was previously a restriction in the Sectional Appendix about the length of platforms for 333s which instructed at certain stations (maybe Outwood, Sandal, Fitzwilliam and Elmsall) that they were to be local door only operation or the rear door be locked out of something due to the platform length being too smaller margin for error and leaving the rear doors not on the platform

 

[InkyScrolls]

There was previously a restriction in the Sectional Appendix about the length of platforms for 333s which instructed at certain stations (maybe Outwood, Sandal, Fitzwilliam and Elmsall) that they were to be local door only operation or the rear door be locked out of something due to the platform length being too smaller margin for error and leaving the rear doors not on the platform

It won't have been 'rear door locked out' as on a 333, once a door is locked out only a fitter can unlock it at a maintenance depot.

 

[Adam0984]

It won't have been 'rear door locked out' as on a 333, once a door is locked out only a fitter can unlock it at a maintenance depot.

Oh yeah I know that practically that was a no go but these things don't always match up between reality and a piece of paper

 

[reecestrains]

333005 was on Leeds-Doncaster early this morning but was swapped with 331007 later on.

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[Allwinter_Kit]

Idiotic question but how was it decided which platforms would be lengthened and which would be SDO'd? Was it just on peak time patronage or....?

EDIT: I was rattling down Airedale on a 3 car sprinter this morning and it made me repeat this thought. As an example from when I was staring out the window this morning and pondering this:

Steeton and Silsden - not being changed, so presumably SDO on the 2x3 car 331s
Keighley - long enough already
Crossflatts- presumably SDO? (Unless I've missed extension works there)
Bingley - being extended

So are the extensions only at the ones that are served by the semi-fasts? But they're also the trains that aren't being lengthened given they're diesel through to Bentham/Carlisle lines!

I just wondered. Apologies if off-topic.

 

[Grumpy]

They don’t look complete yet, a few haven’t had tactile paving completely finished yet.

A month on and they're still barriered off. Look complete to me (as they did a month ago) with tactile paving.

 

[skyhigh]

Look out for a 6 car test run tonight.

 

[Bertie the bus]

A month on and they're still barriered off. Look complete to me (as they did a month ago) with tactile paving.

A month is nothing. There are platform extensions at some Lancashire stations as well and Leyland was completed about 7 months ago but the extensions are still barriered off so they are still using SDO on 6-car services.

 

[Harvey B]

I'm posting this here because the 333 Doncaster Thread is closed but When do Doncaster Crews start their training on the 333s?

 

[Halish Railway]

I'm posting this here because the 333 Doncaster Thread is closed but When do Doncaster Crews start their training on the 333s?

They’ve already begun their training.

 

[quantinghome]

Idiotic question but how was it decided which platforms would be lengthened and which would be SDO'd? Was it just on peak time patronage or....?

EDIT: I was rattling down Airedale on a 3 car sprinter this morning and it made me repeat this thought. As an example from when I was staring out the window this morning and pondering this:

Steeton and Silsden - not being changed, so presumably SDO on the 2x3 car 331s
Keighley - long enough already
Crossflatts- presumably SDO? (Unless I've missed extension works there)
Bingley - being extended

So are the extensions only at the ones that are served by the semi-fasts? But they're also the trains that aren't being lengthened given they're diesel through to Bentham/Carlisle lines!

I just wondered. Apologies if off-topic.

I suspect the deciding factor is the presence of obstacles in the way of full platform extensions. It seems to have been decided that moving signalling equipment is too difficult; likewise physical obstacles such as bridges or additional land take.

 

[Britannia94]

Could it be they are yet to get round to doing it?

Saltaire is a prime example of this, there was a new article from the Telegraph and Argus last year about the platforms being extended, yet they have yet to do this stattion.

 

[InkyScrolls]

Could it be they are yet to get round to doing it?

Saltaire is a prime example of this, there was a new article from the Telegraph and Argus last year about the platforms being extended, yet they have yet to do this station.

Saltaire is still due to be extended; watch this space.

 

[reecestrains]

Kirkstall Forge station has not yet started extensions either.

 

[jonesy3001]

Platform 2 at menston as also not been extended but guiseley looks complete on both, unsure about burley and ben rhyding has very rarely get a train to ilkley.

 

[oscarthecat92]

Saltaire is still due to be extended; watch this space.

Are they going to be able to do Saltaire? It is a wooden platform structure done on the cheap in the 1980s which surely doesn’t meet today’s safety standards?

 

[InkyScrolls]

Are they going to be able to do Saltaire? It is a wooden platform structure done on the cheap in the 1980s which surely doesn’t meet today’s safety standards?

Well they're going to so I'm sure it'll work out! They're only extending it, the new structure doesn't have to match the original.

 

[Geeves]

They extended Mills Hill and Lostock Parkway both also made out of wood built on the cheap in the 80s so there's hope! Once they had built the extension they also rebuilt the entire passenger walking area out of some serious heavy duty stuff.

 

[quantinghome]

Well they're going to so I'm sure it'll work out! They're only extending it, the new structure doesn't have to match the original.

Last time I was involved in a platform extension it was for a similar wooden platform design. The extension was a similar design with wooden frame and I think GRP panels. This was about a decade ago so not sure whether this approach is still permitted under current standards.

 

[reecestrains]

333005 did two Doncaster runs this morning before being replaced with 331003 after 10am.

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Could have been because of disruption at Leeds or maybe crew training.