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According to their website, they don't do an electric Streetlite and it appears all the diesel models are now called "Ultroliners"...


STREETLITE
ULTROLINER W/F
ULTROLINER D/F

Thank goodness there is not an electric Streetlite.
 
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Thank goodness there is not an electric Streetlite.
There have been ones before, specifically Arriva running them in Milton Keynes.

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Image Description: An electric Wright Streetlite WF with wireless charging on a trial with Arriva in Milton Keynes. Credit: Arriva Bus UK
 

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There have been ones before, specifically Arriva running them in Milton Keynes.

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Image Description: An electric Wright Streetlite WF with wireless charging on a trial with Arriva in Milton Keynes. Credit: Arriva Bus UK
And they were only used for little more than five years. They seem to have vanished off the face of the earth.

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And the Metrocity being the only vehicle that met the spec for small buses. The majority of Stagecoach ones were also ordered by others (CT Plus, Tower Transit). They now ordered E100EVs
What about the Yutong E9/E9L?
 
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Indeed, I can't seem to find anything about them now.
They do all still exist, the photo linked below shows them at Cranfield University being used to upcycle their Lithium batteries.

 

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Equipmake is planning to rationalise the variety of bus models they perform repowering work on, as noted in their latest trading update (year ending 31 May 2024).


Equipmake plans to rationalise its electric bus repower work by focusing those efforts on what it terms “a limited number of platforms.” That move is expected to improve gross margins, according to a trading update for the year to 31 May.

The Snetterton business has won contracts to repower various coaches and buses from diesel to battery-electric. Its most recent debut in that field is conversion of Wrightbus StreetDeck models, where significant volume has been anticipated.

Equipmake says that such successes have demonstrated the “quality, reliability and significant benefits” of its repower product via real-world operation on various platforms. It recently won a contract with Golden Tours to repower 10 Volvo B5TL open-toppers in that operator’s London fleet.

While specific vehicle types to form part of the rationalisation are not disclosed, Equipmake says in the trading update that bus repower income scaled rapidly during the year in question.

Of the company’s overall revenues of an expected approximately £8.1 million, £3.9 million came from repower. Respective figures for the previous year were £5.1 million and £900,000.

However, the rapid upscale of repower led to some unanticipated and under-estimated costs to ensure that agreed delivery timetables were met, the business continues. It adds that the repower process is labour intensive when working at modest volume and that recipient vehicles can be of “inconsistent quality.”

On the future of repower, Equipmake expects revenues from that to “plateau and then reduce” because it anticipates material demand growth for the standalone supply of higher-margin components and powertrain solutions.

That will be a key area of business going forward and Equipmake “recognises the need to focus aggressively on the most strategically important and financially rewarding of markets,” it says.

Unknown is how the revised approach to repower by Equipmake will impact previously planned processing of diesel coaches to battery-electric.

It began that work on a Van Hool T917 Altano owned by Westway Coaches some time ago and expected further coach projects to come on stream. But no further information on the Altano project has since been forthcoming and the coach concerned is understood to not yet have returned to the road in repowered form.
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Over on Tangytango Proboards there is a picture of the first London-spec E400EV integral in ADL's Larbert factory, provisionally plated SK24 XSA. Apparently it's not a demo but some posters think otherwise.
 
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A member of Friends of the PSV Group on Facebook posted a photo of a facelifted Wright StreetDeck Ultroliner on order for the Bee Network. I didn't know the facelifts were being carried over to the diesel models. This will be the second frontal facelift of the StreetDeck. Bee Network, though, still thinks it's an Enviro400City!
 

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A member of Friends of the PSV Group on Facebook posted a photo of a facelifted Wright StreetDeck Ultroliner on order for the Bee Network. I didn't know the facelifts were being carried over to the diesel models. This will be the second frontal facelift of the StreetDeck. Bee Network, though, still thinks it's an Enviro400City!
I think rather than facelifted, this is the London spec front
 

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I think rather than facelifted, this is the London spec front
It makes little business sense to have two different frontal designs if one design can be sold across all areas.
TfL may have specified the requirements for the new frontal design, but Oxford also have the first StreetDeck Electroliners with the new front, and now the Bee Network is getting facelifted Ultroliners as well, which isn't necessary to satisfy TfL requirements given that new diesel buses are banned for TfL bus services anyway. Let's not forget that the outgoing Stealth front was introduced neatly ten years ago, so it was high time that the front end got an update.
 

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TfL may have specified the requirements for the new frontal design, but Oxford also have the first StreetDeck Electroliners with the new front, and now the Bee Network is getting facelifted Ultroliners as well, which isn't necessary to satisfy TfL requirements given that new diesel buses are banned for TfL bus services anyway. Let's not forget that the outgoing Stealth front was introduced neatly ten years ago, so it was high time that the front end got an update.
And of course the TfL-compliant front appears on the full new ADL and Volvo/MCV ranges without an alternative design. In fact the new electric Volvo/MCV city bus for continental Europe also features the TfL-compliant front.
 

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Presumably, if the new front is safer for Londoners, it is safer for all cities.
 

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Presumably, if the new front is safer for Londoners, it is safer for all cities.
And it's not as TfL have a massive independent team of engineers, working on the best frontal designs for buses. They'll be basing their specs on the work done by the road safety labs working across Europe.
 

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And it's not as TfL have a massive independent team of engineers, working on the best frontal designs for buses. They'll be basing their specs on the work done by the road safety labs working across Europe.
The work on the Bus Safety Standard, including the frontal geometry, was carried out by the TRL (Transport Research Laboratory) in conjunction with TfL.

 
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Have the Element 2's entered service yet in the Uk Yet?? my local depot here in Sydney just got some Element 2's and more Element 1's due to the inability of Tower Transits parent Company to electrify a depot so we get there New buses along with some awful Yutongs aswell although Yutongs seem to be rarely used in comparison to Elements and Scania's
 

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Have the Element 2's entered service yet in the Uk Yet?? my local depot here in Sydney just got some Element 2's and more Element 1's due to the inability of Tower Transits parent Company to electrify a depot so we get there New buses along with some awful Yutongs aswell although Yutongs seem to be rarely used in comparison to Elements and Scania's

Not yet, I believe the first one that arrived at Rotala/Diamond is still being tested and certified, before they can enter service.
 

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Thanks for that. of note the Elements have the same batterys as the French based Electric buses that where a bit flammable lately. But no issue has been found with Element 1 or 2s
 

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Thoughts with all those who now face an uncertain future
I don't fully understand the ins and outs of it all, but how much of what they say in their press release about the legislative stuff not necessarily working in their favour is actually a factor here and how much of it is simply to do with the fact that other manufacturers are simply building a better product. Then they are, particularly the likes of utong, which now seems extremely popular with everyone
 

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Thoughts with all those who now face an uncertain future
I don't fully understand the ins and outs of it all, but how much of what they say in their press release about the legislative stuff not necessarily working in their favour is actually a factor here and how much of it is simply to do with the fact that other manufacturers are simply building a better product. Then they are, particularly the likes of utong, which now seems extremely popular with everyone
Or a price advantage of Chinese manufacturers?
 

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ADL themselves have slightly "given in" to cheaper manufacturing abroad, as much of the Enviro100EV will be made in China.
 

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ADL themselves have slightly "given in" to cheaper manufacturing abroad, as much of the Enviro100EV will be made in China.
And until recently they used the BYD chassis for electric buses.

ADL products are hardly free from squeaks. It isn’t a surprise that cheaper, quicker delivery, and built just as well, if not better, Yutongs are doing well.

The electric bus market has really opened up. For ages the only real choice was BYD/ADL, now there’s Volvo’s BZL, Wright Electroliner, eCitaro UK, Yutong…

Wrightbus’ turnaround is certainly not helping…
 
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Will the e200/e400 diesel ranges will be updated before the EV laws come in place, or will they just sell them as is till then?
First arent buying any new diesels, Stagecoach are happily purchasing the current E400mmc, and the Wright Streetdeck is now the only competitor.
 

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Or a price advantage of Chinese manufacturers?
I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese government subsidises Yutong like they do other vehicle manufacturers, which would give them a rather unfair advantage.
Wrightbus’ turnaround is certainly not helping…
Wrightbus have certainly had a big break since they launched their series of EVs.
In Leicester, the city council bought Yutongs for their 'pet' routes of the park and ride, Orbital, Hospital Hopper and Hop, but then Arriva and First decided to order Wright EVs instead en masse. I find the uniformity rather striking!
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese government subsidises Yutong like they do other vehicle manufacturers, which would give them a rather unfair advantage.
Does us choosing not to do so with ours make it unfair?
 

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Does us choosing not to do so with ours make it unfair?
Can we even afford to subsidise vehicle manufacturers? The CCP seems to have quite a bit of money to splurge on that kind of business.

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First arent buying any new diesels, Stagecoach are happily purchasing the current E400mmc, and the Wright Streetdeck is now the only competitor.
I didn't realise there were only two diesel double-decker bus models in production (besides the tri-axle MCV Evoseti).
 

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