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Yes....you're right. I stand corrected!It's a Mark 3b technically...
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828 was collected by 593\810 today at Taunton on 5z47 ecs to Crewe
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Was the 3 Peaks train 57311 leading to Fort William and 47593 leading solo on the return all the way back to Crewe? The path of the southbound train showed the rear loco booked to run round to the front at Craigendoran Loop but that would have required two drivers for the locos to work in tandem south of there...
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LSL and the SRPS have entered into a partnership
Interesting interview with LSL's Tony Bush explaining how this partnership will work, as well as other aspects of LSL's plans for the future. Seems to answer many questions posted in this thread.
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Whistler40145
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LSL should enter into an agreement with WCRC to fit their Mk 1s with CDL equipment
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Why?
Whistler40145
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West Coast are doing nothing getting the equipment fitted and enthusiasts have no desire to sit in Mk 2 Air Cons
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It's not LSL's responsibility to do WCRC's job for them and anyway WCRC can afford to pay for the work themselves.
DarloRich
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lets extend that thought:
McDonalds have run out of chips. Do you think Burger King step in to help them?
The issue here is that West Coast are a rail charter operator whilst SRPS are a heritage group i.e. the former is a business competitor of LSL whilst the latter is more like a charity.
Well they’re not chips for a start - they’re fries!
DarloRich
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cheers! Does not quite offer an answer to my point on the funding or who is the "controlling mind". However:
The operating base stuff is sensible. Creating a tour rake in Scotland is sensible and using a professional, experienced & skilled heritage partner to do that is eminently sensible. Developing a bigger/better market in Scotland for high quality, premium scenic excursions is a no brainer!
There is also, clearly, a pool of highly skilled staff at the LSL depot in Crewe who turn out high quality work and are clearly not only keeping "heritage" skills alive but developing them. They also deliver high quality experiences for passengers. They are clearly a professional, sensible, focused operation with a competent and credible managing director. That is all to thier credit.
For completeness, I travelled on the "staycation express" before I knew about the owners political donations and on one of thier trains that was covered by a normal ticket - they were all very high quality experiences with very nice and dedicated staff on board.
* And Arlington Fleet Services in Eastleigh I might add who have predominately done a lot of the rolling stock work, overhauls and repaints for LSL!
DarloRich
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Thank you - I did not know that.
D1537
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There does appear to be some, yes. Nothing confirmed though.
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It would appear to make sense however 830 needs some serious money spent on it to ensure any kind of longevity on main line operations.
ExRes
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D6851 announced by Bluebell Railway for their September Diesel Gala
There is a 0Z45 Southall - Poole in today 15/7 presumably to pick up that Long Swing Link Mk3? Returns as 5Z44.
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Realtime Trains | 0Z45 1025 Southall Loco Services Ltd to Poole S. S. | 15/07/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z45 1025 departure from Southall Loco Services Ltd to Poole S. S. on 15/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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47810There is a 0Z45 Southall - Poole in today 15/7 presumably to pick up that Long Swing Link Mk3? Returns as 5Z44.
Realtime Trains | 0Z45 1025 Southall Loco Services Ltd to Poole S. S. | 15/07/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z45 1025 departure from Southall Loco Services Ltd to Poole S. S. on 15/07/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Wyrleybart
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Cant disagree with any of that.
The point though is that LSL has bought into the CDL requirement for Mk1 and Mk2 coaching stock and are therefore operating normally. WCR management do not believe they should spend / invest any money on fitment of CDL and have resisted fitting it, preferring instead to run a ragtag formation of air conditioned but battery powered Mk2DEF interspersed with Mk1s and MK2ABC.
The WCR "problem" is that they don't have any suitable air-braked steam locos of their own to haul the Jacobite, so are hiring Ian Riley's dual braked black fives. This is compounded by WCR needing to run airbraked, because the vehicles WCR have are air braked. AIUI there is not yet any vacuum braked coaching stock licensed to operate on NR, although Vintage Trains are close to it.
AIUI WCR can afford to fit CDL to their fleet, as it is a profitable operation. It is the fact that the bosses of WCR choose not to and would rather wrangle with ORR to try and get special treatment. So why would LSL do it ? There is also the minor problem of supplying ETH for the air conditioining of the MK2 air cons, which need an ETS supply. AIUI the WCR "chairman's train has a Mk1 BSK with a generator in the van end. I imagine that vehicle could be rigged up to supply ETS for the Jacobite air cons, which would also reliably supply ETS to the CDL equipment instead of relying on batteries
For completeness, I travelled on the "staycation express" before I knew about the owners political donations and on one of thier trains that was covered by a normal ticket - they were all very high quality experiences with very nice and dedicated staff on board.
This also applies to a comment upthread about enthusiasts not wanting to travel in air conditioned stock. The issue is that enthusiasts only make up a proportion of travellers on steam hauled trains, but they can still vote with their feet by declining to book on these trains - it is all down to their personal opinions, preferences and standards. I personally don't give a toss about LSL's political allegiances, but wouldn't travelling with them anyway as I am not a "high end" traveller, but still respect the boss for the investment he is making into the industry.
Iskra
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Amazing news! Glad it’s being preserved
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Preserved? LSL is a commercial business.Amazing news! Glad it’s being preserved
Class15
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Agreed, fantastic news.Amazing news! Glad it’s being preserved
Iskra
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Preservation is literally the extension of something's life though isn't it? And although I see your point, I'm glad it has gone to a caring owner with the means to maintain it.
Wyrleybart
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Bit like 47501 ? And 47841 ?
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47501 certainly had its (active working) life extended by a few years thanks to LSL. An interesting debate may be had however, as to whether a loco that is a stripped shell, stuffed and mounted in a museum is actually 'preserved' or not.