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777 021 has been attacked by the graffiti thugs, (just got on it now at Cressington on the 2S42).
I can smell the aerosol fumes from inside!
I can smell the aerosol fumes from inside!
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Terry Williams
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Paths in RTT for delivery of final 777 on Wednesday 12/6
6Q42 (12:06) Dollands Moor to Wembley
6Q77 (18:31) Wembley to WOJ
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6Q42 (12:06) Dollands Moor to Wembley
6Q77 (18:31) Wembley to WOJ
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Peter Sarf
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6Q42 12:06 Dollands M to Wembley is on RTT
Realtime Trains | 6Q42 1206 Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 12/06/2024
Real-time train running information for 6Q42 1206 departure from Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 12/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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But 6Q77 18:31 Wembley to WOJ I cannot find ?.
FrodshamJnct
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6Q42 12:06 Dollands M to Wembley is on RTT
Realtime Trains | 6Q42 1206 Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 12/06/2024
Real-time train running information for 6Q42 1206 departure from Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 12/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
But 6Q77 18:31 Wembley to WOJ I cannot find ?.
Realtime Trains | 6Q77 1831 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs | 12/06/2024
Real-time train running information for 6Q77 1831 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs on 12/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Peter Sarf
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Thanks.Realtime Trains | 6Q77 1831 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs | 12/06/2024
Real-time train running information for 6Q77 1831 departure from Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Walton Old Jn.M.S.C.Sdgs on 12/06/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Apparently a pair of 555s with it. One might be 555021.
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The other is 555002
Class319&373
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The move appears to be stuck at Westenhanger, as its nearly an hour behind and is holding up a non-stop 395.
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Sam 76
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Looks like a brake fire, not good at allThe move appears to be stuck at Westenhanger, as its nearly an hour behind and is holding up a non-stop 395.
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ExRes
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Reported on se gen as dragging brakes on the 777
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Yes, 777035
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Peter Sarf
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In the end 6Q42 made it onwards about two hours late. The brake fault was apparently on a barrier wagon.
66067, barriers,777035, barriers, 555021, 555002, barriers.
66067, barriers,777035, barriers, 555021, 555002, barriers.
With the final delivery of a Class 777 to the UK with 035 arriving at WOJN MSC Sidings last night, just leaves four Units to be finally delivered to Merseyside and the order is complete!
Kirkdale C.S. = 001 to 032 inclusive, 034, 036 to 039, 041, 043, 045, 049, 051, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152.
Walton Old Juction (MSC) = 033, 035, and 047.
Long Marston = 053.
Kirkdale C.S. = 001 to 032 inclusive, 034, 036 to 039, 041, 043, 045, 049, 051, 140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 and 152.
Walton Old Juction (MSC) = 033, 035, and 047.
Long Marston = 053.
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ExRes
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Seems a bit odd that 053 has been at Long Marston for so long, I believe it was transferred on 21st March, any known reason or maybe the Mayor is holding it back for his personal transport when everyone has forgotten about it?
There's video of the incident on youtube - all the brakes on the 777 were locked on and smoking away.
Ohhhh dear. Smoke from all bogies, that's really not good.
DJH1971
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Wonder if 777035 will become an insurance write off?
For hot brakes? Likely some kind of wheel inspection (they looked to still be spinning so hopefully no flat spots) and potentially some shoes replaced.
ExRes
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Why would they have taken it up to Walton? if it's suffered any serious damage then I'd have thought it would have been kept at Wembley
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It was, (allegedly), the parking brake left on the 777.
If it had any serious damage it would have been dumped in the nearest siding!
It was, (allegedly), the parking brake left on the 777.
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We can only hope
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No chance.
childwallblues
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No hope. It is needed in service to replace the 507s.
So I'm a Wirral boy but I live in Yorkshire, but I finally managed to ride on the new 777s on the Southport line.
I completly agree that a train manager is required as a second person for safety.
However, I did wonder why there was a manager at all.
Reasons:
* The train manager stands at the most rear passenger doors. The driver opens all the doors, therefore the trai manager has no visibility of the platform to ensure that it's safe to alight or board.
* All passenger doors, including where the train manager is stood, are closed at the same time. Although they look and to see it clear, they flash their card on the reader which only instructs the driver to close all the doors. As the doors are closing the train manager is on the train and has no external visibility from this moment onwards. It is up to the driver to check doors are secure, clear and safe to depart.
* Not once did the train manager leave the rear doors, no tickets were checked.
In my honest opinion, it was pointless, pther than safety, them being there.
The issue is that they are no longer in the rear cab and have no external view when the passenger doors are closing and have been closed. On the 507s the train managers door was last to close, now they're all closed.
They look so bored.
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I completly agree that a train manager is required as a second person for safety.
However, I did wonder why there was a manager at all.
Reasons:
* The train manager stands at the most rear passenger doors. The driver opens all the doors, therefore the trai manager has no visibility of the platform to ensure that it's safe to alight or board.
* All passenger doors, including where the train manager is stood, are closed at the same time. Although they look and to see it clear, they flash their card on the reader which only instructs the driver to close all the doors. As the doors are closing the train manager is on the train and has no external visibility from this moment onwards. It is up to the driver to check doors are secure, clear and safe to depart.
* Not once did the train manager leave the rear doors, no tickets were checked.
In my honest opinion, it was pointless, pther than safety, them being there.
The issue is that they are no longer in the rear cab and have no external view when the passenger doors are closing and have been closed. On the 507s the train managers door was last to close, now they're all closed.
They look so bored.
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Apologise for spelling, was on my phone
Bletchleyite
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The units were intended to be operated DOO. This bodged semi-guard scheme was designed to end the strikes. Goodness only knows why, having decided to keep them, they didn't just fit guard panels.
Having said that, I have witnessed a very near miss that would probably have resulted in a death or serious injury had the train been conventionally guard operated (a drunk stumbling against the train after dispatch, which the driver clearly saw in the cameras and stopped).
Having said that, I have witnessed a very near miss that would probably have resulted in a death or serious injury had the train been conventionally guard operated (a drunk stumbling against the train after dispatch, which the driver clearly saw in the cameras and stopped).
On there several times I have used the new trains, the train manager moved through out the train, instructed driver to closed doors whilst stood at different doors each time, moving throughout the train checking tickets.
But they have no visibility of the train whilst the doors are open, doesn't matter what set of doors they're at.
Maybe they are were all situated at the same doors for the 4 trains I rode, I can't explain that.
At the end of the day, the driver is responsible for the interlock and no one is trying to board as doors are closing.
You have summed it up nicely and that is what the 'Train Managers' are suppose to do as part of their revised role since the agreement with RMT was put into place (certainly not standing at the rear of the train doing nothing).
I've only been on them for one day, 2 of the journeys were quiet and they didn't move from the same set of doors from Liverpool Central to Southport.
Personally I don't mind them being in one place, as long as they have visibility of the doors, other than were they're stood, closing.
If all passengers doors are closed you're less likely to try and get on, less not always.
Regardless, they need to have an external view which they dint. Their doors close with the rest of the train.
WirralLine
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Their role in dispatch is not the same as before. The driver checks it is safe/correctly stopped and then releases the doors (although given how many wrong side door release incidents we are seeing...) The guard is now supposed to step out, observe safe boarding/alighting, offer assistance when required, ensure it is the correct time, ensure the signal is "off", ensure there are no last minute runners etc, then tap the card to give the driver the all clear to close up and go. The driver is then responsible for closing the doors and watching the train out of the platform - however the guard is still a second set of eyes and can always stop the train using a passcom if required. Arguably the guard has no worse view out of the window observing the platform during departure than other stock once the doors are closed.
They are supposed to move through the train and have a clear presence in the saloon (which I agree a lot of them dont bother and just stay at the rear set of doors), although this was common on the old fleet too. Whilst the guard managers didn't take kindly to the guards hiding in the cabs on the 507/8 (except in the underground sections were it was a requirement), most of the guards would just operate the doors from the rear set of passenger doors and not venture through the whole train. I have noticed a lot of the guards on 777s sit in the rear cab, coming out when its time to tap the fob, then go back in the cab, which isn't doing them any favours in the long run!
Regarding ticket checks, they are supposed to perform regular checks - this isn't new, they were supposed to on the old stock too - but most dont bother. Having worked with a number of ex Merseyrail guards at my TOC, they say it was pointless as they have no means of checking smartcards, can't issue tickets or penalties, and can only ask people leave the train (which most won't but theyre not allowed to force them) or warn them to buy next time, so it was an entirely pointless exercise and was best left to actual revenue staff/enforcement.
I was asking my friend who is a guard at ME about revenue duties, as I remember the original agreement saying they would be issued machines etc. This COULD just be messroom gossip, however he said they are supposed to be getting devices which can scan smartcards and check whether a bank card has been tapped in before travel - presumably for some sort of pay as you go contactless system which doesnt yet exist. He also said there will be no arguing on their part, the device checks whether a card has been "validated" or "tapped in" and reports it back somewhere else and any irregularities would be dealt with behind the scenes. Again - dont quote me, thats just what he said theyve been told.
I agree since they took the doors away, they're just a spare part, and from reports on this forum about stranded trains etc and guards not giving updates for hours on end to the punters, they should really be making 200% effort to justify their existence!
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