Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

[Sapphire Blue]

Surely that's the West end of the station?

 

[snowball]

Apologies for poor quality of images.

They look excellent to me.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Can't see this has been posted elsewhere. It is long but absolutely fantastic. It is another excellent PWI seminar. It is specifically on the Eastern half of the of the TP upgrade from Leeds to York. Well worth a watch. I will screen shot various bits and brake it up later on.

 

[darylyates17]

Is the Miles Platting-Stalybridge section used by electric units yet or has it been decided to wait until December?

 

[Halish Railway]

Can't see this has been posted elsewhere. It is long but absolutely fantastic. It is another excellent PWI seminar. It is specifically on the Eastern half of the of the TP upgrade from Leeds to York. Well wroth a watch. I will screen shot various bits and brakl it up later on.

Looking at 08:28, it seems like there will be minimal linespeed increases between Leeds and Church Fenton, with only Neville Hill to Cross Gates, as well as through Micklefield and Church Fenton seeing linespeed increases.

A previous video on TRU alluded to speeds in excess of 100mph between Cross Gates and Church Fenton.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

13:15 great information on the blockades
- wow Neville Hill is a long one - 14 weeks!
- Church Fenton 4 weeks

 

[td97]

Is the Miles Platting-Stalybridge section used by electric units yet or has it been decided to wait until December?

Supposedly this month (for services which use static power changeover at Manchester Victoria). Automatic power changeover at Stalybridge to be commissioned by November.

 

[matacaster]

Surely that's the West end of the station?

Yes, apologies, I was photographing from west end bridge looking towards east, but of course that was west end of station!!
Really must do some more work on vectors!!

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Route overview with diversionaries plus detail on W1, 2 E1,2,3,4 etc . Screenshot from the PWI presentation

 

[matacaster]

They look excellent to me.

Thanks!

 

[superkev]

Can't see this has been posted elsewhere. It is long but absolutely fantastic. It is another excellent PWI seminar. It is specifically on the Eastern half of the of the TP upgrade from Leeds to York. Well worth a watch. I will screen shot various bits and brake it up later on.

Facinating video.
I'm puzzled with the mentioned time saving York to Leeds after all that expence of just 2.5 minutes.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Facinating video.
I'm puzzled with the mentioned time saving York to Leeds after all that expense of just 2.5 minutes.

They did repeatedly say in fairness it is a major upgrade to the entire route. Removal of dangerous level crossings, electrification, increased capacity, and access for persons with reduced mobility. While I agree 2.5 minutes saved does not seem huge, I am happy to see the upgrade going ahead. Badly needed imho.

 

[takno]

They did repeatedly say in fairness it is a major upgrade to the entire route. Removal of dangerous level crossings, electrification, increased capacity, and access for persons with reduced mobility. While I agree 2.5 minutes saved does not seem huge, I am happy to see the upgrade going ahead. Badly needed imho.

2.5 minutes is more than 10% of the time a fast train takes between Leeds and Colton though, surely? I would have thought that's the most you can reasonably expect. Hopefully the service will also be more robust and actually make the faster timetable more often than it currently does

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Journey time reductions grab the headlines, but much like HS2 the real benefit is capacity.

 

[CAF397]

Journey time reductions grab the headlines, but much like HS2 the real benefit is capacity.

Indeed. Instead of 75mph or 90/100mph DMUs operating on the 'stoppers' between Leeds and York, these can be operated by fast accelerating EMUs which will aid capacity as well.

 

[jonesy3001]

Will the TOCs have the new units ready for when the wires are up on the TRU?

 

[59CosG95]

Will the TOCs have the new units ready for when the wires are up on the TRU?

Northern are looking to replace the Sprinters in the next few years, although what the replacements will be is anyone's guess.
My hope is that they'll be bi-mode at least - the Stadler FLIRTs seem to be an increasingly popular option, although the precise nature of the chosen option for Northern is probably outwith this thread.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Journey time reductions grab the headlines, but much like HS2 the real benefit is capacity.

Indeed. Instead of 75mph or 90/100mph DMUs operating on the 'stoppers' between Leeds and York, these can be operated by fast accelerating EMUs which will aid capacity as well.

Exactly.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Northern are looking to replace the Sprinters in the next few years, although what the replacements will be is anyone's guess.
My hope is that they'll be bi-mode at least - the Stadler FLIRTs seem to be an increasingly popular option, although the precise nature of the chosen option for Northern is probably outwith this thread.

They will definitely at least be electric, in short (lots more info in the dedicated thread) most Bi-mode, some EMU, maybe a few battery.
There is a specific mention of TRU in the tender document as the reason for the EMUs

 

[Edvid]

Can't see this has been posted elsewhere. It is long but absolutely fantastic. It is another excellent PWI seminar. It is specifically on the Eastern half of the of the TP upgrade from Leeds to York. Well worth a watch. I will screen shot various bits and brake it up later on.

Thanks for posting - definitely a great watch. Among other things the explanation of how TWA orders work was good to know.

Wasn't expecting one of the (many) YT adverts to be a 2-hour block of Peppa Pig episodes, though!

 

[danbarjon]

Technically could the 397s run on the cross Pennine route? Obviously once wires are all up (a very long way away).

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Technically could the 397s run on the cross Pennine route? Obviously once wires are all up (a very long way away).

Physically, I don't see why they couldn't.
However I don't think they will, they'll probably stay on the WCML

 

[danbarjon]

Physically, I don't see why they couldn't.
However I don't think they will, they'll probably stay on the WCML

Yeah I do think they are great for the WCML just could never imagine one at Newcastle...

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Among other things the explanation of how TWA orders work was good to know.

Yes, I thought that section alone was great and I have rewatched it twice already. Very informative indeed.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Looking at 08:28, it seems like there will be minimal linespeed increases between Leeds and Church Fenton, with only Neville Hill to Cross Gates, as well as through Micklefield and Church Fenton seeing linespeed increases.

A previous video on TRU alluded to speeds in excess of 100mph between Cross Gates and Church Fenton.

Seem pretty pointless having a couple of miles at Cross Gates at 100mph when it reverts back to 90mph to Church Fenton. Why not a 100mph all the way i wonder

 

[chazi898]

I swear people have said in the past that Micklefield Junction is capable of 100mph on the York to Leeds vice versa direction. Even if it's not, why the drop from 100 to 90 between Cross Gates and Garforth, is it alignment or something, signals? Wasn't some of this route rated 110 in previous projections? It just seems a bit.. tame...

 

[snowball]

Press release

Travel advice during Huddersfield to Leeds weekday rail upgrades

Changes to weekday services between Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Leeds will be in place from Monday 24 June to Saturday 20 July as Transpennine Route Upgrade completes major upgrades.

www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk

Passengers reminded to check before they travel ahead of weekday rail upgrades

Changes to weekday services between Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Leeds will be in place from Monday 24 June to Saturday 20 July as TRU complete major upgrades.

Weekend services remain unaffected but passengers are urged to plan ahead if travelling between Huddersfield and Leeds during the week.

The upgrades include track renewals, environmental and ground surveys, drainage, signal verifications and construction work.

Passengers will be kept on the move via diversionary routes and rail replacement bus services, and are encouraged to check nationalrail.co.uk to plan their journey.

The work is part of the Transpennine Route Upgrade, a programme of rail upgrades between Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds and York.

Notes to Editors

TransPennine Express train services between Huddersfield and Leeds will be diverted and will not call at Dewsbury. The Saltburn to Manchester Airport service will start/terminate at Manchester Victoria instead of Manchester Airport.

Additionally, peak-time and evening local services between Manchester Piccadilly and Leeds will run between Manchester Piccadilly and Huddersfield only; and services between Manchester Piccadilly and Hull will only run between Leeds and Hull.

Direct rail replacement buses will run between Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Leeds, while all-stations rail replacement buses will run between Huddersfield and Leeds calling at Deighton, Mirfield, Ravensthorpe, Dewsbury, Batley, Morley and Cottingley.

Rail replacement buses will run between Manchester Airport and Huddersfield, calling at Stockport.

Northern train services between Wigan and Leeds will be diverted via Halifax and Bradford Interchange, and will not call at Brighouse, Mirfield, Ravensthorpe, Dewsbury, Batley or Morley.

Rail replacement buses will run between Halifax and Leeds, calling at Brighouse, Mirfield, Dewsbury, Batley and Morley.

 

[Spartacus]

Press release

Travel advice during Huddersfield to Leeds weekday rail upgrades

Changes to weekday services between Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Leeds will be in place from Monday 24 June to Saturday 20 July as Transpennine Route Upgrade completes major upgrades.

www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk

I hope they get the rail replacements for the local stations running better than last time. The Dewsbury only one was fine, but the local road conditions have meant that they ones serving other stations have usually quickly become very poor timekeepers.

 

[D7666]

Supposedly this month (for services which use static power changeover at Manchester Victoria). Automatic power changeover at Stalybridge to be commissioned by November.

Yesterday and today three different 769 units seen at and between Manc Vic and Stalybridge and all on diesel including the beer move I did to Stalybridge.

I've lost the plot on this one and 268 pages and 8038 posts (so it says) is a lot to wade through.

Is there still a technical problem or is it now politics and paperwork?

 

[Geeves]

Postponed until further notice is what it says in the notice case at Victoria. I think there's a few other things cropped up in and around Victoria.