Merseyrail legacy fleet updates (Class 507/508)

[Class91Joe]

Reported in the MerseyRailways 2.0 FB group that 108 and 114 will be stood down at end of service tonight.

Leaves just 104 for the 508s that will still be in service after today..

A right blow to my potential trip to the area tomorrow then! They just couldn't have made it one more day could they At least 104 still clings on for now. Any ideas on potential 001 workings for tomorrow and has 002 been spotted out much at all? Thanks

 

[Trouty]

A right blow to my potential trip to the area tomorrow then! They just couldn't have made it one more day could they At least 104 still clings on for now. Any ideas on potential 001 workings for tomorrow and has 002 been spotted out much at all? Thanks

The units will only get assigned circuits for tomorrow, late on tonight. What they get assigned to depends on mileage, planned maintenance and unit faults (ie Non Split etc), then add in train crew issues like a driver isn't 777 trained, a 50 will be brought in to replace a 777 if one is available.

 

[prod_pep]

Any ideas on potential 001 workings for tomorrow and has 002 been spotted out much at all? Thanks

507002 is leading 507017 on the 1651 Hunts X - Southport tonight.

507001 is booked to finish at Birkenhead North Depot tonight so a possibility is the Southport line tomorrow, or otherwise back on the New Brighton line.

Also worth mentioning, an abysmal three of the five booked Southport PM six-car are short-formed today, yet another two perfectly serviceable sets are about to be pulled. Miseryrail in a nutshell.

 

[MR-507508]

507002 is leading 507017 on the 1651 Hunts X - Southport tonight.

507001 is booked to finish at Birkenhead North Depot tonight so a possibility is the Southport line tomorrow, or otherwise back on the New Brighton line.

Also worth mentioning, an abysmal three of the five booked Southport PM six-car are short-formed today, yet another two perfectly serviceable sets are about to be pulled. Miseryrail in a nutshell.

I think there must be an issue with 507002 at the moment. It always seems to be formed as a 6 Car. It's currently heading back into the sidings at Southport after working 2S44.
Also an ECS move currently to Southport - could this be a unit taking over from 2S49 which is 508114?

 

[Class91Joe]

The units will only get assigned circuits for tomorrow, late on tonight. What they get assigned to depends on mileage, planned maintenance and unit faults (ie Non Split etc), then add in train crew issues like a driver isn't 777 trained, a 50 will be brought in to replace a 777 if one is available.

507002 is leading 507017 on the 1651 Hunts X - Southport tonight.

507001 is booked to finish at Birkenhead North Depot tonight so a possibility is the Southport line tomorrow, or otherwise back on the New Brighton line.

Also worth mentioning, an abysmal three of the five booked Southport PM six-car are short-formed today, yet another two perfectly serviceable sets are about to be pulled. Miseryrail in a nutshell.

Cheers both, hoping for 001 on New Brighton's again, will just have to wait and see. Good to hear 002 is still out but if I remember correctly, when all of the 508's are gone then 002 is one of the next 507's to go?

 

[L401CJF]

I think there must be an issue with 507002 at the moment. It always seems to be formed as a 6 Car. It's currently heading back into the sidings at Southport after working 2S44.
Also an ECS move currently to Southport - could this be a unit taking over from 2S49 which is 508114?

Yes 114 to finish at SOP on 2S49 at 1854

 

[MR-507508]

Yes 114 to finish at SOP on 2S49 at 1854

508104 is making its ways up ECS to Southport as 5T63 - just seen it at Sandhills.

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Yes 114 to finish at SOP on 2S49 at 1854

Do you know what 508108 is finishing on?

 

[L401CJF]

508104 is making its ways up ECS to Southport as 5T63 - just seen it at Sandhills.

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Do you know what 508108 is finishing on?

Up to now 2W57 2231 WKI-WKI but could change

 

[prod_pep]

Wish I'd read those posts about 508114 a bit earlier. I was on it working the 1751 HNX-SOP but left it at Central!

Edit - Traksy is now showing 508114 as forming the 2042 from Southport later, which if correct would mean it works the 2151 Hunts X - Southport and the 2318 Southport - Liverpool Central would be its last working. Confirmation or denial appreciated.

 

[MR-507508]

Wish I'd read those posts about 508114 a bit earlier. I was on it working the 1751 HNX-SOP but left it at Central!

Edit - Traksy is now showing 508114 as forming the 2042 from Southport later, which if correct would mean it works the 2151 Hunts X - Southport and the 2318 Southport - Liverpool Central would be its last working. Confirmation or denial appreciated.

That would enable it to finish at Birkenhead North E.M.U.D tonight as the unit(s) from 2G00 2318 Southport to Liverpool Central now head ECS to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D from Central.

 

[prod_pep]

508114 is indeed back out for one last dance, running the 2151 Hunts X - Southport at present. 508108 has also stayed on its diagram.

 

[Trouty]

For the record 508 104 is stabling at Southport for the night, it's the last train in

 

[prod_pep]

Not sure if there has been a mix-up or change of plan, but the 2318 is formed of 507017 alone. This unit worked the 2206 service from Hunts X behind 508114 and despite arriving in the same platform 2 as 114 at Southport, the units were not coupled.

Therefore, unless 508114 is used tomorrow, its last working was the 2151 Hunts Cross - Southport tonight.

 

[L401CJF]

508108 has arrived at West Kirby, however appears to be staying the night on platform 1, the usual ECS move to New Brighton on this diagram is cancelled on RTT and no other ECS moves shown, next movement from platform 1 is the first service tomorrow morning.. is it finished or is it not? Who knows!

 

[prod_pep]

508108 has arrived at West Kirby, however appears to be staying the night on platform 1, the usual ECS move to New Brighton on this diagram is cancelled on RTT and no other ECS moves shown, next movement from platform 1 is the first service tomorrow morning.. is it finished or is it not? Who knows!

A mini-reprieve for both 508s hopefully.

 

[Class91Joe]

Any info as to whether 508104 is out please? And if 108/114 have managed to make it another day?

 

[cjbirkett]

There was a 06.45 5T60 from West Kirby to Birkenhead North Depot this morning.

I think this was 108s last working

Realtime Trains | 5T60 0645 West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T60 0645 departure from West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Gutted as I'm heading into town today to try to find them. 104 and 114 were at Southport last night I think.

114 was supposed to end up at BN last night but a report says it's duty was carried out by 507 017 (23.18 s'port-Central)

Hoping I may just catch 108 outside the depot at least

 

[L401CJF]

There was a 06.45 5T60 from West Kirby to Birkenhead North Depot this morning.

I think this was 108s last working

Realtime Trains | 5T60 0645 West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T60 0645 departure from West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Gutted as I'm heading into town today to try to find them. 104 and 114 were at Southport last night I think.

114 was supposed to end up at BN last night but a report says it's duty was carried out by 507 017 (23.18 s'port-Central)

Hoping I may just catch 108 outside the depot at least

Thanks for the info, in that case it means I was 508108s last fare paying passenger last night! Sad times.

 

[MR-507508]

Appears this is 508114's ECS move from Southport. It will probably make its move from Kirkdale depot soon after.

Realtime Trains | 5T61 0835 Southport to Kirkdale C.S. | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T61 0835 departure from Southport to Kirkdale C.S. on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[cjbirkett]

Appears this is 508114's ECS move from Southport. It will probably make its move from Kirkdale depot soon after.

Realtime Trains | 5T61 0835 Southport to Kirkdale C.S. | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T61 0835 departure from Southport to Kirkdale C.S. on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Thanks for this

From what someone posted I think this will not go into Kirkdale and instead another path will appear for a Sandhills to Birkenhead North working .

No doubt be proved wrong though!

 

[MR-507508]

Thanks for this

From what someone posted I think this will not go into Kirkdale and instead another path will appear for a Sandhills to Birkenhead North working .

No doubt be proved wrong though!

May do or it could work the now rarely used 5B17 ECS move;

Realtime Trains | 5B17 1016 Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5B17 1016 departure from Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[cjbirkett]

May do or it could work the now rarely used 5B17 ECS move;

Realtime Trains | 5B17 1016 Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5B17 1016 departure from Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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This has just appeared, think it'll pick up from Sandhills running early

Realtime Trains | 5T62 0946 Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T62 0946 departure from Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Just dropped 507 032 on an Ellesmere Port circuit. (9.50ish off Moorfields)

 

[MR-507508]

This has just appeared, think it'll pick up from Sandhills running early

Realtime Trains | 5T62 0946 Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T62 0946 departure from Kirkdale C.S. to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Just dropped 507 032 on an Ellesmere Port circuit. (9.50ish off Moorfields)

I take it 5T62 was 508114?
Was it running on its own or coupled to a 507?

Are 508108 & 508114 still going for scrap Monday 8th Jan?

 

[cjbirkett]

104 is out on the 1026 Moorfields to Southport

 

[prod_pep]

508114 confirmed by sight as on 5T62. It's now outside Birkenhead North Depot. Sad times indeed.

507001 is heading over to the Northern Line on 5T63.

 

[cjbirkett]

I take it 5T62 was 508114?
Was it running on its own or coupled to a 507?

Are 508108 & 508114 still going for scrap Monday 8th Jan?

114 was on its own, I caught it at James Street, the driver had taken 108 into the depot earlier too

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Think this is path for 001 Kirkdale to Southport. Its by the depot now

Realtime Trains | 5T64 1331 Kirkdale C.S. to Southport | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T64 1331 departure from Kirkdale C.S. to Southport on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[MR-507508]

Any sightings of what unit(s) formed the following to and from West Kirby - 507003 perhaps?

Realtime Trains | 5T65 1300 Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to West Kirby | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T65 1300 departure from Birkenhead North E.M.U.D to West Kirby on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Realtime Trains | 5T66 1325 West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D | 04/01/2024

Real-time train running information for 5T66 1325 departure from West Kirby to Birkenhead North E.M.U.D on 04/01/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[CallmeDave]

04.01.23
508104
SOP 1627 (6) 1857 2127
HNX 1506, 1736 (6) 2006 2236

WKI is solid with new stuff
NBN is solid and "real" trains except 1523 1623 1723 which is new and yellow.

507032 should be on ELP 1512 1642 1812

As always things can change.

 

[Class91Joe]

Probably common knowledge by now but 507001 working 2U39 15:12 Southport - Hunts Cross

 

[cjbirkett]

508 104 appears to be solo for the 16.27

The 16.12 ex Southport was 033 and 002