Class 319 Northern departure

[50032]

Will 319s still be on LIV-BPNs on the 7th? That's when I plan to have my last ride due the strike on the 8th and being busy on the 9th.

I'd need a crystal ball to know that... "maybe" is the best answer at this stage.

 

[Snapper]

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[50032]

Tomorrow may well be the last time that 319s work SuO south Manchester services to Wilmslow. Whilst next Sunday; 2nd December is a possibility, it falls within the overtime ban, so I'd expect significant disruption to services on that day.

 

[GhostManDN91]

I was having a brief look then and I've noticed more of the Blackpool North to Manchester Airport services are running as 3 cars instead of 6 cars today. That's got to be fun for people visiting Christmas markets with the fleet swap happening lol.

 

[mcnw35282]

Just passed WMT 323 parked in the reception sidings between Allerton depot and Hunts Cross. ‘Twas 323208 if memory serves.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Just passed WMT 323 parked in the reception sidings between Allerton depot and Hunts Cross. ‘Twas 323208 if memory serves.

It will be, yes, as that's the only one to have transferred and the only one that will until January.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Looks like a path for 37611 has appeared for Monday:

5Q36 1341 Crewe C.S. to Allerton Depot​

Realtime Trains | 5Q36 1341 Crewe C.S. to Allerton Depot | 27/11/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q36 1341 departure from Crewe C.S. to Allerton Depot on 27/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Interestingly, it includes reversing at Lime Street!

 

[jonesy3001]

Paths are in for next weeks 331 swaps but nothing for Newport.

 

[childwallblues]

Just passed WMT 323 parked in the reception sidings between Allerton depot and Hunts Cross. ‘Twas 323208 if memory serves.

323208 was there on Thursday.

 

[Liam L]

It will be, yes, as that's the only one to have transferred and the only one that will until January.

212 & 220 will join it in January. Rest to possibly follow from April.

 

[Bikeman78]

I think the whining noise in the motor coach is from the traction motors, not the pantograph.

It's good to know that there is someone else with the same pedantic mind as me!

 

[LowLevel]

I'll miss seeing them about at Lime St. I route learned Chat Moss as a basically unelectrified back water worked by 142s and 150s with 156s if you were lucky on the fasts.

Even though they're well past their best seeing the electric 319s roll out and Lime Street becoming decidedly less fume filled was impressive.

A good second innings for them after Thameslink I suppose but it'll be odd not seeing them!

 

[50032]

Sunday 26th November:

319384 AN228

Man Picc 08.30 2A99
Wilmslow 09.05 09.41 2F12
Lime St 11.24 12.30 2A94
Wilmslow 14.10 14.38 2F17
Lime St 16.24 17.30 2A99
Wilmslow 19.10 19.38 2F12
Lime St 21.23 22.29 2A94
Mancr Air 23.52

319370 AN225

Man Vic 08.30 2F10
Lime St 09.29 10.30 2A92
Wilmslow 12.11 12.38 2F15
Lime St 14.24 15.29 2A97
Wilmslow 17.10 17.38 2F10
Lime St 19.24 20.29 2A92
Wilmslow 22.10 22.51 2F15
Lime St 00.37

 

[stottyuk]

319384 at Burnage just now, a nice touch.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Hopefully, it keeps the headboard and stripes for the next week!

 

[Liam L]

Hopefully, it keeps the headboard and stripes for the next week!

The headboard will stay with the drivers who brought the headboard.

 

[3973EXL]

Realtime Trains | 5Q80 0758 Allerton Depot to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 29/11/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q80 0758 departure from Allerton Depot to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 29/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[childwallblues]

Realtime Trains | 5Q80 0758 Allerton Depot to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) | 29/11/2023

Real-time train running information for 5Q80 0758 departure from Allerton Depot to Newport Docks (Simsgroup) on 29/11/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Believed to be 319378 and 319383.

 

[dannyandy]

37800 and 319378 on todays scrap move from Allerton.

 

[childwallblues]

319370 was yesterday operating with a NSE sticker on at least one end.

 

[507021]

Aside from the traction motor noise, I can't say I'll miss the 319s. The seats and legroom aren't very good and for an EMU, they're dreadfully slow. I think my washing machine probably has better acceleration across the kitchen floor, and Whirlpool appliances aren't really known for their sporting credentials. While the 323s aren't perfect, they're absolutely leagues better than the 319s, in my view.

 

[The_Train]

Aside from the traction motor noise, I can't say I'll miss the 319s. The seats and legroom aren't very good and for an EMU, they're dreadfully slow. I think my washing machine probably has better acceleration across the kitchen floor, and Whirlpool appliances aren't really known for their sporting credentials. While the 323s aren't perfect, they're absolutely leagues better than the 319s, in my view.

I actually think the seats on the Northern 319s are quite comfy, well they are until they go through Sims shredder anyway

 

[childwallblues]

Aside from the traction motor noise, I can't say I'll miss the 319s. The seats and legroom aren't very good and for an EMU, they're dreadfully slow. I think my washing machine probably has better acceleration across the kitchen floor, and Whirlpool appliances aren't really known for their sporting credentials. While the 323s aren't perfect, they're absolutely leagues better than the 319s, in my view.

your view is the opposite to the local drivers.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

your view is the opposite to the local drivers.

It’s the customers that are paying for the service though

 

[507021]

I actually think the seats on the Northern 319s are quite comfy, well they are until they go through Sims shredder anyway

The cushions themselves aren't bad, it's the low seating position.

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your view is the opposite to the local drivers.

That's funny, both of the Allerton drivers I know can't stand them. Anyway, trains are operated for paying customers, of which I doubt you'll find very many who think the slow, uncomfortable and noisy 319s are better than the 323s.

 

[prod_pep]

That's funny, both of the Allerton drivers I know can't stand them. Anyway, trains are operated for paying customers, of which I doubt you'll find very many who think the slow, uncomfortable and noisy 319s are better than the 323s.

Absolutely, and no driver would seriously suggest the 319s' acceleration, amongst the worst in the country for an EMU, compares with the 323s, still amongst the best, in any way.

 

[Noseygit]

If you get any of the ex-Anglia ones - good luck! When we get them on the Mid-Cheshire if we're unlucky they break down and if we're lucky they are just faulty but plod on.



Aren't Northern getting 323s from Birmingham in a few months?

So in 2017 we couldn't have the agreed enhancements because GWR weren't ready to cascade off-lease trains to us, but in 2023 we see cutbacks because trains go off-lease before their replacements join?

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The 323s could also do with being reseated. With more comfortable seats and a better designed CIS they wouldn't be bad for 30 year old trains.

323208 has already departed from bhm up to rainchester

 

[Bikeman78]

Absolutely, and no driver would seriously suggest the 319s' acceleration, amongst the worst in the country for an EMU, compares with the 323s, still amongst the best, in any way.

It's all relative I guess. Are they really much slower than 317s or 321s? I had some pretty good runs to Northampton last year. Would have been interesting to compare them on West Anglia. The 317s didn't hang about over there.

 

[prod_pep]

It's all relative I guess. Are they really much slower than 317s or 321s? I had some pretty good runs to Northampton last year. Would have been interesting to compare them on West Anglia. The 317s didn't hang about over there.

Those two classes are both slow, and Glasgow's 318s and 320s aren't too far behind, but Northern's 319s are something else. They definitely seem to be even slower than in their Thameslink days, and they were slouches then!

 

[Bikeman78]

Those two classes are both slow, and Glasgow's 318s and 320s aren't too far behind, but Northern's 319s are something else. They definitely seem to be even slower than in their Thameslink days, and they were slouches then!

I suspect the Thameslink drivers used to select full power from a stand, except where there was a low speed limit. That's how the 317s were driven right up to the end by most drivers. They'd never have kept time otherwise, especially on the Hertford stoppers.