GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[TJDevon]

Five turbos running out of Exeter today and 15 150s working. almost a perfect allocation in Devon and Cornwall.

Does this mean that there are short formed trains elsewhere?

 

[RPI]

Five turbos running out of Exeter today and 15 150s working. almost a perfect allocation in Devon and Cornwall.

I think I shall buy a lottery ticket!

 

[Mark J]

Caught a return train from Oxford on Bank Holiday Monday. Surprised that the 23:05 is still being run with a two carriage 166.

The 23:05 service stops at Didcot, Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead, Slough and London Paddington.

Are there still any 165/166's being run between Reading and Newbury, and vice versa.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Caught a return train from Oxford on Bank Holiday Monday. Surprised that the 23:05 is still being run with a two carriage 166.

The 23:05 service stops at Didcot, Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead, Slough and London Paddington.

Are there still any 165/166's being run between Reading and Newbury, and vice versa.

All of the Reading - Bedwyn trains on a Sunday plus 2K22 0516 Reading - Newbury / 2K71 0059 Newbury - Reading on weekdays and 2K78 0539 Reading - Bedwyn, 2K64 0508 Reading - Bedwyn / 2K25 0608 Bedwyn - Reading on Saturdays

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Caught a return train from Oxford on Bank Holiday Monday. Surprised that the 23:05 is still being run with a two carriage 166.

The 23:05 service stops at Didcot, Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead, Slough and London Paddington.

Are there still any 165/166's being run between Reading and Newbury, and vice versa.

Weekdays the 23.05 up from Oxford is a 2 car 165 attaches at Paddington with the unit off the Greenford to go back to Oxford as a 4 car 165.

This working ceases with the December timetable change with both workings going over to IETs.

 

[MasterPhillips]

Weekdays the 23.05 up from Oxford is a 2 car 165 attaches at Paddington with the unit off the Greenford to go back to Oxford as a 4 car 165.

This working ceases with the December timetable change with both workings going over to IETs.

Interesting. will the Greenford branch train come back as empty then? And will the 03:54 from Reading to Paddington still be a 2 car 165?

 

[JonathanH]

Interesting. will the Greenford branch train come back as empty then? And will the 03:54 from Reading to Paddington still be a 2 car 165?

The Greenford shuttle is meant to go over to the 230 battery unit at some point, which won't go back and forth to Reading.

 

[MasterPhillips]

The Greenford shuttle is meant to go over to the 230 battery unit at some point, which won't go back and forth to Reading.

I was thinking that. I assume they will be based at West Ealing. But whose to say those units will even be ready by December.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

My understanding is that the Turbo will be on standby at West Ealing sidings while the trial 230 is in use, so I would imagine the early/late Reading moves remain as-now.

 

[Mark J]

The Greenford shuttle is meant to go over to the 230 battery unit at some point, which won't go back and forth to Reading.

I noticed that Vivarail battery unit is currently stabled at Reading depot.

 

[Horizon22]

The Greenford shuttle is meant to go over to the 230 battery unit at some point, which won't go back and forth to Reading.

The 03:54 Reading to Paddington is surprisingly well-loaded for the time of day so hopefully there's a replacement, even if it's a 4-car 387. If turbo remains on standby, that's one answer although the 05:41 Greenford train would theoretically a) run empty to West Ealing or b) terminate there. However that one isn't well loaded, so not as much of a loss.

 

[FGW_DID]

I noticed that Vivarail battery unit is currently stabled at Reading depot.

The battery unit is 230001, it’s already in GWR green and is currently at Long Marston. The 230s which are at Reading TCD are the diesel 2 cars (003,004 &005) and still in their old livery.

 

[Mark J]

Weekdays the 23.05 up from Oxford is a 2 car 165 attaches at Paddington with the unit off the Greenford to go back to Oxford as a 4 car 165.

This working ceases with the December timetable change with both workings going over to IETs.

I assumed that the 23:05 is the last returning Banbury to Oxford local service. Taking a rather long winded trundle to Reading depot via Paddington and back.

Does this also mean that all GWR Oxford to Banbury local services, stopping at Tackley, Heyford and Kings Sutton will be worked by IET's in the future?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I assumed that the 23:05 is the last returning Banbury to Oxford local service. Taking a rather long winded trundle to Reading depot via Paddington and back.

Does this also mean that all GWR Oxford to Banbury local services, stopping at Tackley, Heyford and Kings Sutton will be worked by IET's in the future?

No the 23.05 Oxford to Paddington and 00.30 Paddington to Oxford have nothing to do with the Banbury locals, this is an out and back working from Oxford.

The Banbury locals remain 165s.

 

[Jim]

Short of Turbos today, 800025 covering no less than 5 unit diagrams today.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Short of Turbos today, 800025 covering no less than 5 unit diagrams today.

How is it managing to do that?

 

[FGW_DID]

Short of Turbos today, 800025 covering no less than 5 unit diagrams today.

How does that work? Surely one unit can only cover one diagram!
Have all the unit workings off the 5 diagrams been lumped together into one “super-diagram” or is 800025 only covering certain parts of the 5 diagrams at different times of the day?

 

[Ashley Hill]

How does that work? Surely one unit can only cover one diagram!
Have all the unit workings off the 5 diagrams been lumped together into one “super-diagram” or is 800025 only covering certain parts of the 5 diagrams at different times of the day?

Looking at the diagram it appears to be doing fill-ins between Bristol and Gloucester with the Bristol-Weymouth part covered by units.

 

[Jim]

How is it managing to do that?

So far with ease I'm pleased to say.

Maybe I should phrase it as 5 part unit diagrams!

 

[The exile]

Short of Turbos today, 800025 covering no less than 5 unit diagrams today.

Both 06.57 and 07.06 down departures from Bath cancelled as well.

 

[REVUpminster]

Five turbos down here Monday, Four turbos yesterday and four today but 2 of them today are 2car 165s which is unusual. Also a 2 car 158 this week; two 2 car 158s working a diagram each Monday.

 

[RPI]

Devon was ok today, as @REVUpminster pointed out, 2 are 2 car 165 but if you're going to have a 2 car, a 165 is the best of a bad job with their extra space compared to a 150.

 

[REVUpminster]

Mystery to me? Only 2 turbos, 2 short form 150s and a 2 car 158. At least the school train was kept at 4 coaches.

I'm not keen on 2 car 165s with the extra bicycle space but they are probably useful on the Okehampton service.

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Saturday, busiest day of the week, and Devon not ok. Every train out of Exeter today except one is two coaches (Two turbos running 165131/132). Only one three car (158959) running to Barnstaple.
I wonder if the trains are carrying bottled water this year. They did last year in the hot summer.

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Monday:
Bad day again down here. Only one 3 car turbo train operating Paignton -Exmouth leaving six as 2 car (5x150, 1x158) including the school train; maybe the boys will be gentlemen and let the girls have the train. Paignton second train was cancelled being reversed early at Newton Abbot.
Barnstaple has a 2 car as well.

 

[Jim]

Not quite relevant to a Turbo thread, but 158958 has been reduced down to a temporary 2 car at the moment. 150 availability is often now only +1 a day (used to often get +2 or +3) (that is not critical of the fleet either, they are still often over performing availability wise) which makes a noticeable difference in the short forms in Exeter. area. It is very rare you are short of 150s for service, but there is just less extra available at times now to cover up the gaps in the other parts of the fleet. Obviously the reason why Devon Metro is worse off, is you can split paired formations generally without making too much of an issue operationally (as opposed to for customers). In the Bristol area, Turbo wise (158s are generally paired nearly all day but it's a riot all day if you short form those to 2 vice 4!), there is only 1 x diagram for Turbos that runs paired all day, that's the 4th and 5th carriages on 1F06 0600ish Pompey to Cardiff. That is why Devon always seems to get it worse I think, because you can't Turbo wise, make Bristol area any worse formations wise to provide extra stock. Yet again yesterday the spare 2+4 HST was also out covering other unit workings during the daytime.

 

[RPI]

Not quite relevant to a Turbo thread, but 158958 has been reduced down to a temporary 2 car at the moment. 150 availability is often now only +1 a day (used to often get +2 or +3) (that is not critical of the fleet either, they are still often over performing availability wise) which makes a noticeable difference in the short forms in Exeter. area. It is very rare you are short of 150s for service, but there is just less extra available at times now to cover up the gaps in the other parts of the fleet. Obviously the reason why Devon Metro is worse off, is you can split paired formations generally without making too much of an issue operationally (as opposed to for customers). In the Bristol area, Turbo wise (158s are generally paired nearly all day but it's a riot all day if you short form those to 2 vice 4!), there is only 1 x diagram for Turbos that runs paired all day, that's the 4th and 5th carriages on 1F06 0600ish Pompey to Cardiff. That is why Devon always seems to get it worse I think, because you can't Turbo wise, make Bristol area any worse formations wise to provide extra stock. Yet again yesterday the spare 2+4 HST was also out covering other unit workings during the daytime.

Devon has been shocking all summer, but worse now the colleges are back, almost seems as if even train planning etc have just given up as even the "golden" trains seem shortformed most days. Its just embarrassing and quite demoralising having to make the same crappy excuses to the same regular customers each day. Last night the 17:21 from Exeter Central to Paignton was a 2 car 150 (again), left Central rammed and when we pulled into St Davids there was a crowd of people longer than the train trying to get on, I was getting off there thankfully!

 

[TJDevon]

Devon has been shocking all summer, but worse now the colleges are back, almost seems as if even train planning etc have just given up as even the "golden" trains seem shortformed most days. Its just embarrassing and quite demoralising having to make the same crappy excuses to the same regular customers each day. Last night the 17:21 from Exeter Central to Paignton was a 2 car 150 (again), left Central rammed and when we pulled into St Davids there was a crowd of people longer than the train trying to get on, I was getting off there thankfully!

The situation today is poor, only one Turbo in operation in Devon and that's on the Tarka Line, none on EXM-PGN. Where are they all?

Is there an official list of 'golden' services?

 

[FGW_DID]

The situation today is poor, only one Turbo in operation in Devon and that's on the Tarka Line, none on EXM-PGN. Where are they all?

They might not be in Devon but they're out there, according to this morning figures the West Turbo fleet was only on -1

 

[RPI]

150249 just left St Davids heading to Paignton absolutely rammed!

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Absolutely rubbish on the Exmouth-Paignton line today, looks like 3x 2 car 158's, a 2 car 150 and 2x 4 car 150's and just a solitary turbo!

 

[nanstallon]

166215 worked the 16.39 from BNP yesterday.

 

[REVUpminster]

Only 1 shortform today in Devon and Cornwall brought about by 16/19 150s in service with 3 Turbos. The local MP has been looking at problems at Torre with the return school traffic not being able to get on the trains. Years ago in HST days there used to be a London train timed to leave Paignton at about 15.30. This used to mop up a lot of the school traffic. It was before the half hourly Paignton-Exmouth began.