First West Yorkshire & York discussion

[dodecahedron67]

Presumably the 2s will never actually use the Boro’bridge road.
On another York matter why does the 7 P&R stop at every stop whereas the 59 P&R stops only at a few selected stops? I know one local who is furious that they go up and down frequently with so few people on. They tell me that on Sunday it is especially frustrating! On one Sunday, whilst waiting a long time for a 5, they did get on a 59 and tried to persuade the drive to stop at “their stop”. He refused. It would make both the Boro’bridge and Poppleton roads much more attractive to bus users if the 59 stopped at all stops. I might even come home more that way instead of using the 24, 412, and the 1s!

2s will go over Clifton Bridge (Water End) and left at the lights down Boro’bridge Road as the current 59 route to rejoin at Station Ave. Stops added at Blossom St & Station, unsure about Holgate Park stop

59s will be diverted along the current 10 route, left at Water End lights, down Leeman Road to Rougier Street, as the Versas fit under the bridge

10s will also be running straight down Boro’bridge Road calling all stops

Also, all the park & rides are “limited” stop except 7s - they’re the odd one out not 59s

 

[Seehof]

Sorry, I did not mean for drivers on the 59 to stop unofficially anywhere - of course they can’t. What I am saying is why can’t the 59s stop at more stops officially making the public transport offering on the A59 far more attractive like in Fulford where the 7 P&R service stops everywhere.
If you have a public transport service for which you can just turn up and go surely any city council would welcome that as would the residents. I understand that the 59 is the only P&R route for which York city council has to support financially. At the moment York (and me as a ratepayer) are paying for a service with very few passengers most of the time which could benefit greatly those who live near the Poppleton Road, The Fox pub and the Boroughbridge road if it stopped more.

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However, obviously the whole ball game will change soon!

 

[dodecahedron67]

What I am saying is why can’t the 59s stop at more stops officially making the public transport offering on the A59 far more attractive like in Fulford where the 7 P&R service stops everywhere.

The 7 is not the model to follow. It’s awful for reliability and timekeeping and detracts from those using the park & ride. It’s supposed to be quicker and easier than parking in town, but sitting on a 7/59 that stops everywhere down Fulford/Boro’bridge Road and takes 25/30 min to get into town is not quicker or easier than driving in to town…

 

[MasterSpenny]

Got these now from as usual BLOTW (buslistsontheweb.co.uk)
36514 - MF23ZWB
36515 - MF23ZWC
36516 - MF23ZWD
36517 - MF23ZWE

The batch is almost done, with BLOTW (buslistsontheweb.co.uk) having the following:
36518 - MF23ZWG
36519 - MF23ZWH

 

[GusB]

The batch is almost done, with BLOTW (buslistsontheweb.co.uk) having the following:
36518 - MF23ZWG
36519 - MF23ZWH

Please explain this post in more detail. What does this collection of letters and numbers actually mean?

 

[Hullian111]

While the York Electroliners are starting to flood through via West Yorkshire depots, electrification work is now getting underway at Leeds' Bramley depot:

First readies for further 57 battery-electric buses in Leeds - routeone

First West Yorkshire has commenced preparations for the arrival of 57 Wrightbus battery-electric buses at Bramley depot in Leeds.

www.route-one.net

First West Yorkshire has started electrification work at its Bramley depot in Leeds ahead of the deployment of 57 Wrightbus battery-electric buses there. The first are expected to arrive in January 2024, and when deployment is completed by March they will account for one-third of the Bramley fleet.

The buses are being funded by £16.4 million from First and £12.6 million from a successful Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas (ZEBRA) bid by the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) that also involves Arriva and Transdev Blazefield.

The order initially called for 32 Wrightbus GB Kite Electroliner single-deckers, but it was expanded with 25 StreetDeck Electroliner double-deckers after the Department for Transport allocated additional money to a number of ZEBRA bids involving First Bus.

Contractors from Envevo have now arrived at Bramley to start preparations for the installation of the necessary charging equipment and other infrastructure. Heliox 150kW chargers will be installed in a continuation of an existing relationship between First Bus and the supplier.

First North and West Yorkshire Engineering Director Simon Carlisle (pictured, centre) has described the work on battery-electric buses at Bramley as “the beginning of a new future for the depot and our green transport revolution in Leeds.”

Mr Carlisle adds that it represents “real evidence” of a continuing successful partnership with WYCA to improve bus services and support an ambition for a net-zero transport system in Leeds. The city region hopes to achieve its net-zero target by 2038. Under those plans, “significant progress” by 2030 is called for.

Envevo UK Operations Director Michael Keenan says that a large amount of planning has already gone into the work at Bramley to support the battery-electric buses.

First’s Yorkshire operations are also seeing a concurrent significant further injection of the technology into York, where a wholesale conversion of the First York fleet to zero-emission is underway.

The Wrightbus products for Bramley will complement nine Yutong E10 single-deckers and five BYD ADL Enviro400EV double-deckers that operate from Hunslet Park depot.

 

[Redmike]

Is there a reason that the 72 reg Streetlites at Huddersfield are not in the HD connect livery. It looks a bit odd when the rest of the fleet is in HD connect livery.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Is there a reason that the 72 reg Streetlites at Huddersfield are not in the HD connect livery. It looks a bit odd when the rest of the fleet is in HD connect livery.

Same with some in Swansea - think they were diverted

 

[metromadman]

Please explain this post in more detail. What does this collection of letters and numbers actually mean?

The current registration format is as follows:-
First 2 letters are "area identifiers" of the area where they were first registered (MF in this case is Manchester).
The 2 numbers is the "age identifier", there are 2 series' a year (1st of March and 1st of Sept, March will have the last 2 digits of the current year, and then add 50 for the Sept issued ones, March 2023 - 23 plates, Sept 2023 - 73 plates, March 2024 - 24 plates, Sept 2024 - 74 plates etc.)
The final 3 letters are just randomly allocated to give the registration its "uniquness". Certain combinations aren't issued for various reasons, and some are held by the DVLA for sale and not allocated to dealers.

Since the DVLA closed the local offices around 2012/2013 time, most vehicles are now registered by the manufacturer or dealer. I can only assume Wrightbus (that are based in Northern Ireland) use a dealer/company to PDI (pre delivery inspection) the vehicles in Manchester, hence the Manchester registrations in this case (I presume they may use dealers/companies in Birmingham, Scotland and London also, as some of the new Wright vehicles gain registrations in these locations).

 

[GusB]

The current registration format is as follows:-
First 2 letters are "area identifiers" of the area where they were first registered (MF in this case is Manchester).
The 2 numbers is the "age identifier", there are 2 series' a year (1st of March and 1st of Sept, March will have the last 2 digits of the current year, and then add 50 for the Sept issued ones, March 2023 - 23 plates, Sept 2023 - 73 plates, March 2024 - 24 plates, Sept 2024 - 74 plates etc.)
The final 3 letters are just randomly allocated to give the registration its "uniquness". Certain combinations aren't issued for various reasons, and some are held by the DVLA for sale and not allocated to dealers.

Since the DVLA closed the local offices around 2012/2013 time, most vehicles are now registered by the manufacturer or dealer. I can only assume Wrightbus (that are based in Northern Ireland) use a dealer/company to PDI (pre delivery inspection) the vehicles in Manchester, hence the Manchester registrations in this case (I presume they may use dealers/companies in Birmingham, Scotland and London also, as some of the new Wright vehicles gain registrations in these locations).

I'm aware of what they actually mean, but thanks for the explanation anyway.

I was responding to a post that contained very little information other than a fleet number and registration mark, when it could have provided a little bit more information about the type of vehicle it applied to etc.

 

[MasterSpenny]

News from buslistsontheweb.co.uk (BLotW), GB Kite Registrations confirmed so far are:

• 63646 - MA23 TPZ
• 63647 - MA23 ???
• Without fleet number listed (yet) are MA23 TRV, MA23 TRZ and MA23 TSO

With September coming thick and fast, I’m wondering if some of these will get their registrations cancelled for 73-plates, a-la bus batches in London? If I’m being honest, that has always struck me as odd, never understood how that worked

The following fleet numbers for these GB Kites now confirmed, taken from BLOTW (buslistsontheweb.co.uk):
Fleet Reg
63648 - MA23TRZ
63649 - MA23TSO
63650 - MA23TSU

 

[cnjb8]

The following fleet numbers for these GB Kites now confirmed, taken from BLOTW (buslistsontheweb.co.uk):
Fleet Reg
63648 - MA23TRZ
63649 - MA23TSO
63650 - MA23TSU

May have been mentioned but 63651 is ML73DYH

 

[MasterSpenny]

May have been mentioned but 63651 is ML73DYH

It was mentioned in the previous page

 

[Callum15632]

It was mentioned in the previous page

Are the Streetdeck electroliners out tomorrow or Monday?

 

[MasterSpenny]

Are the Streetdeck electroliners out tomorrow or Monday?

This is the answer:

York’s new electrics are due to be phased into service gradually from the 28th if all goes well. Initial deployment on 1s and 4s with double deckers then rolled out across all city routes from then with single deckers following after

 

[Volvodart]

The First press release says on Sunday on route 4.

 

[Deerfold]

The First press release says on Sunday on route 4.

The press release being here:

First Bus ‘switch on’ new all-electric fleet in York as zero emission transformation gathers pace | First Bus North England News

£23m investment in greener public transport in York Fully electric fleet to be completed by the end of 2023 Depot power charging installation continues Thousands of tonnes of CO2 emissions saved every year

news-ne.firstbus.co.uk

The buses herald a new York Electric branding with the first vehicles operating from Sunday 27 August on the Service 4 route from the city centre to Acomb.

 

[MasterSpenny]

So have any Electroliners entered service this morning so far?

 

[Callum15632]

So have any Electroliners entered service this morning so far?

36501 and 36503 so 2 so far. They are both on the 4 to Acomb.

 

[Seehof]

What exactly is the final total for the Streetdecks and Kites now that are coming to York? When I last worked it out there would still not be enough EVs to make York a 100% electric depot. What have I not understood or got wrong?

 

[MasterSpenny]

What exactly is the final total for the Streetdecks and Kites now that are coming to York? When I last worked it out there would still not be enough EVs to make York a 100% electric depot. What have I not understood or got wrong?

its the 20 StreetDeck Electroliners and 24 GB Kites to make the 44 buses its currently getting

Wrightbus secures £81m contract, largest ever UK EV bus order outside of London

First Bus places order for 193 buses with Ballymena manufacturer Wrightbus following DfT ZEBRA funding award

www.newsletter.co.uk

York (44 Buses) in partnership with City of York Council.

 

[dodecahedron67]

its the 20 StreetDeck Electroliners and 24 GB Kites to make the 44 buses its currently getting

Wrightbus secures £81m contract, largest ever UK EV bus order outside of London

First Bus places order for 193 buses with Ballymena manufacturer Wrightbus following DfT ZEBRA funding award

www.newsletter.co.uk

Extra 9 double deckers, 29 + 24 for 53 total I think

 

[Simon75]

So have all the bendies left York yet ?

 

[Andyh82]

Extra 9 double deckers, 29 + 24 for 53 total I think

Are the Streetdecks that were delivered last year for the university services also expected to leave the fleet?

Can’t say I’ll miss that strange branding they were given

 

[dazzler]

So have all the bendies left York yet ?

I saw 11102 operating on the number 2 today, crossing Clifton Bridge at 10:22. I'm not sure if there were any others out today though.

 

[MasterSpenny]

Are the Streetdecks that were delivered last year for the university services also expected to leave the fleet?

Can’t say I’ll miss that strange branding they were given

If they do go, it will feel weird as they were delivered about 10 months ago according to earlier on in this thread, and then will be gone in under a year!

 

[Seehof]

By my calculation all the Streetdecks and Streetlites will go and York will be 100% electric. Let us hope there is no lengthy overnight power cut in James Street one day!

 

[dodecahedron67]

The streetdecks will be leaving once we know what is happening with the uni contract - they’ve not ordered enough EVs to cover the 8 uni branded streetdecks as is and there will be a PVR uplift anyway from september

Somewhere, ~15 extra EVs have to be found according to my maths

 

[Seehof]

Yet according to the Press Release quoted in post 1007, York will be fully electric by the end of this year!

 

[Andyh82]

I think the PVR at York is around 70 buses

I don't have a semester timetable for the University services but I've estimated about 10 buses within that number

Therefore a total electric fleet of 86 buses as mentioned in the above press release sounds to be ok

That would presumably be made up of the new 53 buses, plus the existing 21 Optare Metrodeckers and 12 Optare Versas