Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[Plasmanoodle]

Was it always the plan to revert back to just the ‘traditional’ mark 4 services to and from Holyhead after the Manchesters were introduced, or is this an interim measure?

 

[Jacob Porrett]

I think you will find that's only one diagram.

Hopefully by September there will be six diagrams all being well

 

[sd0733]

Was it always the plan to revert back to just the ‘traditional’ mark 4 services to and from Holyhead after the Manchesters were introduced, or is this an interim measure?

No it wasn't originally planned.

One diagram is to cover for the Missing HD08 which if it comes will allow the 6th diagram to be re-introduced. There also needs to be some slack built in for 5th car additions, refurbishment and repaints etc especially on 01-03.

The other diagram, which from May just does 06:27 from Manchester to Cardiff then 17:14 Cardiff to Holyhead is to allow a set to spend a day on Canton to allow depot training, due to very rarely having sets on Canton this is a bit of a necessary evil to get training finished.

As it stands the plan is for September to go back to all existing Holyheads plus the Manchester but unless training is pretty much complete at Cardiff, HD08 is ready and all sets are the finished article (and much more reliable) then it could well be pushed back or never happen.

 

[D6130]

Yes but no.
It is part of two separate diagrams, interworking with the Manchester workings.

Fair enough. When I travelled on both trains in February it was the same loco/set in and out, but post #2,312 explains very clearly what should be happening from the May timetable change.

 

[Craig37]

No it wasn't originally planned.

One diagram is to cover for the Missing HD08 which if it comes will allow the 6th diagram to be re-introduced. There also needs to be some slack built in for 5th car additions, refurbishment and repaints etc especially on 01-03.

The other diagram, which from May just does 06:27 from Manchester to Cardiff then 17:14 Cardiff to Holyhead is to allow a set to spend a day on Canton to allow depot training, due to very rarely having sets on Canton this is a bit of a necessary evil to get training finished.

As it stands the plan is for September to go back to all existing Holyheads plus the Manchester but unless training is pretty much complete at Cardiff, HD08 is ready and all sets are the finished article (and much more reliable) then it could well be pushed back or never happen.

lets hope it all goes to plan then….

 

[ajay1071]

Two class 47's attached to MK4 set at Landore not sure what the purpose, they came down from Carnforth yesterday.

 

[craigybagel]

One side effect of the ongoing signalling problems at Crewe precluding through running from South Wales to Manchester is that the MKIVs are ending up on the wrong diagram. Both yesterday and today they've ended up on the 1330 Manchester - Tenby (starting from Crewe, and obviously not running all the way to Tenby without a set swap either).

 

[Caaardiff]

One side effect of the ongoing signalling problems at Crewe precluding through running from South Wales to Manchester is that the MKIVs are ending up on the wrong diagram. Both yesterday and today they've ended up on the 1330 Manchester - Tenby (starting from Crewe, and obviously not running all the way to Tenby without a set swap either).

I guess the issue with the Mk4's is they are too long for the bay platforms 7/8 at Crewe so would need to block 11/12 for longer if kept in diagram which are through platforms.

 

[craigybagel]

I guess the issue with the Mk4's is they are too long for the bay platforms 7/8 at Crewe so would need to block 11/12 for longer if kept in diagram which are through platforms.

Indeed, it's not easy finding somewhere to dump it for nearly 2 hours. They'll fit in 7 but LNWR need that for their Euston service. Also means you don't have to find space for two trains all the time, it's much simpler to just step up the diagrams every hour - so long as you have loco competent crew on hand to work the train affected trains.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

One side effect of the ongoing signalling problems at Crewe precluding through running from South Wales to Manchester is that the MKIVs are ending up on the wrong diagram. Both yesterday and today they've ended up on the 1330 Manchester - Tenby (starting from Crewe, and obviously not running all the way to Tenby without a set swap either).

Which subsequently failed at Shrewsbury due to no lighting in standard.

 

[Express380]

Currently sat on a 175 at Shrewsbury and being held due to a broken down train around Ludlow appears to according to RTT to be 1V98 which is a MK4 set anyone whats up with it?

 

[sd0733]

Currently sat on a 175 at Shrewsbury and being held due to a broken down train around Ludlow appears to according to RTT to be 1V98 which is a MK4 set anyone whats up with it?

Emergency brake application but must be more to it than that as its awaiting a rescue loco from Canton

 

[Anonymous10]

Emergency brake application but must be more to it than that as its awaiting a rescue loco from Canton

RTT records it as having made its allotted diagram onto Canton depot so what actually happened? Anyone know?

 

[158841]

Brakes are locked on the loco. Loco due to arrive as 1Z99 anytime now.
W65 was also caped at Salop at 2200 due to a Speedo failure.
Not a good night!

 

[Techniquest]

Is that why I saw a rail replacement coach outside Hereford station a little after 9pm? Wow I lucked out, I'd have been caught out in those issues if I'd gone to North Wales as per one of my plans for the day

 

[158841]

Yes they sent coaches out rom Hereford south from avoid 9pm. The stock has been sat there now 3.5 hours, there will be a long list of delay repay!

 

[Express380]

Brakes are locked on the loco. Loco due to arrive as 1Z99 anytime now.
W65 was also caped at Salop at 2200 due to a Speedo failure.
Not a good night!

It really isn't a good night I'm still on the 19:30 from Piccadilly at Shrewsbury now attached with the 20:30 from Picc as well waiting for V98 to be moved

 

[Techniquest]

Yes they sent coaches out rom Hereford south from avoid 9pm. The stock has been sat there now 3.5 hours, there will be a long list of delay repay!

Yikes! I was going to say I hope everyone is off and not stuck on the train, then I saw the below post.

Could be a long night for some!

It really isn't a good night I'm still on the 19:30 from Piccadilly at Shrewsbury now attached with the 20:30 from Picc as well waiting for V98 to be moved

Yiiiiiiiikes! Hopefully you've got food and drink with you to keep going, that's got to be a challenging night!

 

[158841]

It really isn't a good night I'm still on the 19:30 from Piccadilly at Shrewsbury now attached with the 20:30 from Picc as well waiting for V98 to be moved

The 1730 and the 1830 is still sat there too as the 153s failed with a wiper fault and had to be rescued

 

[Anonymous10]

The 1730 and the 1830 is still sat there too as the 153s failed with a wiper fault and had to be rescued

What has me puzzles is RTT records lsl to have 2 class 47s at Hereford going to Crewe could these not be used to rescue the 67

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Yikes! I was going to say I hope everyone is off and not stuck on the train, then I saw the below post.

Could be a long night for some!



Yiiiiiiiikes! Hopefully you've got food and drink with you to keep going, that's got to be a challenging night!

You'd hope tfw, if it'll be there a while might allow people to have food brought to the station.

 

[Express380]

Yikes! I was going to say I hope everyone is off and not stuck on the train, then I saw the below post.

Could be a long night for some!



Yiiiiiiiikes! Hopefully you've got food and drink with you to keep going, that's got to be a challenging night!

You'd hope tfw, if it'll be there a while might allow people to have food brought to the station

It is gonna be a long night we had water bought to us but that was about 2 hours ago and have some mini eggs with us but thats pretty it so far we are just hoping there is luck with moving V98 no idea when we'll reach Cardiff!

 

[sd0733]

RTT records it as having made its allotted diagram onto Canton depot so what actually happened? Anyone know?

Does show that but it certainly didn't, it didn't arrive into Cardiff until 0305, 335mins late.

Realtime Trains | 1V98 1634 Holyhead to Cardiff Central | 05/04/2023

Real-time train running information for 1V98 1634 departure from Holyhead to Cardiff Central on 05/04/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

After a period of mostly covering all 3 diagrams last night was an utter disaster. Even the one set that did make it was over an hour late as had to have a loco change between arriving on 1V96 and leaving on w96.

As it stands HD01 and HD06 are out of use waiting tyre turning, HD02 Is running out of miles until it needs to go on the lathe, HD03 Is still at Landore for SDO, HD07 is at Canton waiting to take 03s slot at Landore for 5th car so there's only 3 sets to cover the 3 diagrams.

 

[43055]

Brakes are locked on the loco. Loco due to arrive as 1Z99 anytime now.
W65 was also caped at Salop at 2200 due to a Speedo failure.
Not a good night!

Where's Salop?

 

[D6130]

Where's Salop?

Shrewsbury.

 

[CardiffKid]

Where's Salop?

Shropshire.

 

[krus_aragon]

Where's Salop?

Shrewsbury (or sometimes Shropshire). It's an old name.

 

[CardiffKid]

Has anyone had any luck getting cheap(er) advance 1st class tickets on these services yet?

The best I can find is £133 anytime ticket.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Has anyone had any luck getting cheap(er) advance 1st class tickets on these services yet?

The best I can find is £133 anytime ticket.

You can always find a standard advance ticket and upgrade on the train or at a ticket office, which will make the journey cheaper.

 

[CardiffKid]

You can always find a standard advance ticket and upgrade on the train or at a ticket office, which will make the journey cheaper.

Would that be an on the day upgrade or in advance?

Any idea roughly what it would be for a Cardiff to Manchester run?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Would that be an on the day upgrade or in advance?

Any idea roughly what it would be for a Cardiff to Manchester run?

On the day upgrade. I don't know off the top of my head I'm afraid, @sd0733 may know though.