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Predict gains/losses in your local area in next GE

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Ah Rosindell, the man who, IIRC, threw a Brexit party in his constituency (apparently open to anyone) on Jan 31 2020 as a "celebration".

Wasn't aware he had been barred from Parliament though. EDIT: did a bit of googling. Ah.
The man who also electioneered the day after Jo Cox's murder despite the main parties agreeing to suspend it, and had the gall to defend his actions. A shameless individual who deserves anything that may be coming his way.
Rosindell is my MP and despite pretty much everyone in the area knowing he groomed a young teenager who eventually became leader of the council, will still win. It's shameful stuff
As he had the Tory whip suspended, he'd have to stand as an 'independent.'
 
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As he had the Tory whip suspended, he'd have to stand as an 'independent.'

Which would make it interesting to see if the Conservatives decided to field a candidate or, if they did, whether they produced a very restrained campaign in the constituency. And who might come to support him on the stump.
 

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Which would make it interesting to see if the Conservatives decided to field a candidate or, if they did, whether they produced a very restrained campaign in the constituency. And who might come to support him on the stump.

Very rarely does an independent do well after having the whip removed. The candidate normally overestimates their own personal vote. Seeing as the party has suspended the whip, they'd just find someone new to stand.
 
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In my part of the world in Wolverhampton, the Conservatives gained two of the three city seats in 2019, in the bellwether of Wolverhampton South West, which barring 2015-2019 usually votes for the winning party and Wolverhampton North East, which had a 12.23% swing and which was the Tories first win there since 1987. Wolverhampton South East was held (just) by current Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury in Pat McFadden.

Regarding the proposed new Westminster boundaries;

- Wolverhampton North East has two historically Tory/Lib Dem wards in Short Heath and Willenhall North from Walsall coming in, but which saw my party close the gap massively last year;

- Wolverhampton South West becomes Wolverhampton West, with it going from 7 to 9 wards thanks to the additions of Oxley (Marginal between 2019-2021) from Wolverhampton North East and the rock solid Labour ward of Blakenhall from Wolverhampton South West.

Wolverhampton has all-out Council Elections on May 4th on new boundaries and they will be a very good indication as to what is to come.

I am running in the now marginal ward of Penn (which Labour has only won 4 times and all in the last 11 years) and if I am successful, then it would be a sign that the Conservatives are in real bother.
 

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Very rarely does an independent do well after having the whip removed. The candidate normally overestimates their own personal vote. Seeing as the party has suspended the whip, they'd just find someone new to stand.

Indeed so - the experience of the Tories who had the whip suspended by Johnson over Brexit votes and stood anyway in 2019 is instructive (they all lost, and by quite a margin).

The interesting one to watch will be Corbyn. I gather that he is very well-liked by his constituents and he's been their MP for 40 years - so it is possible he may buck this trend. I don't see any likelihood that anyone else will.
 

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I think Labour will be willing to let Islington North go independent because they can always regain in down the line when Corbyn decides to retire.
 

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Wythenshawe and Sale East - Labour hold. Likely massive increase in majority. Safe Labour seat.

Altrincham and Sale West - could be really interesting and has the potential to be a key marginal. Seat currently held by a certain Sir Graham Brady (Conservative) with a 6,139 majority ahead of Labour, which lead might possibly completely evaporate in the next General Election as @jfollows has already indicated upthread.
Graham Brady won’t stand at the next election.
 

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Graham Brady won’t stand at the next election.

This will presumably increase the chances of a Labour gain as there will not be the "incumbent effect".

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I think Labour will be willing to let Islington North go independent because they can always regain in down the line when Corbyn decides to retire.

Irrespective of one's opinions on Corbyn I think it'll be in Labour's interests to let him contest the seat unchallenged by an official Labour opponent, because Corbyn is popular on the left.

Corbyn is scarcely going to vote with the Tories, so letting him retain the seat isn't going to lessen the chances of Labour gaining power next time.
 

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Irrespective of one's opinions on Corbyn I think it'll be in Labour's interests to let him contest the seat unchallenged by an official Labour opponent, because Corbyn is popular on the left.

Corbyn is scarcely going to vote with the Tories, so letting him retain the seat isn't going to lessen the chances of Labour gaining power next time.

But if Labour let Corbyn stand unchallenged the papers would be full off how it is still ruled by Momentum, hasn’t got the guts to challenge him, can’t control its own members, etc. Best put a up candidate who is clearly not one of his supporters: even if s/he loses, the party has clearly shown that it isn’t a Corbyn fan-club any longer.

What is a Corbun? Speelchock has stopped ‘correcting’ Corbyn to Corbin and has started using Corbun.
 

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No mention of Hitchin & Harpenden. Good chance that swings Con >> LD. Massive (30%) swing to LD last time, rock solid LD next door in St Albans, and only a 7k majority.
 

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That's a rather odd shaped constituency.
Designed to give a guaranteed Tory win for the then MP - Peter Lilley - 2 comfortably well off settlements and a swathe of equally well off country area.

However , attitudes etc and voting patterns change. Personally happy with the MP we have at St Albans who saw off the previous Tory.
 

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No mention of Hitchin & Harpenden. Good chance that swings Con >> LD. Massive (30%) swing to LD last time, rock solid LD next door in St Albans, and only a 7k majority.

A shame that couldn't have happened with the long-term recent incumbent, now retired, one of my least favourite UK politicians of recent times.
 

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Presumably the first of a number of Tory grandees who've decided that their party has less than a zero chance of being re-elected.
Alternatively, he have looked around him, at those on the green benches and compared what he sees now to what he saw when he was first elected (when Portillo was considered a right wing Tory) - fewer members capable of putting together a coherent argument, more with seemingly unbending views on just about everything, at the rise of the ERG, at the dearth of talent on the front bench, at the number of MPs who have been suspended or had resigned for committing the type misdemeanors that were certainly not public even if they had happened*, when he was first elected and decided that he had had enough of all this. The only way is down for him, he has never been a minister, probably never wanted to be one. His current role seems to be to preside over yet another leadership challenge, where he probably realises that he will come into conflict with the Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO).
He will be able to slip back into the corporate world, he appears to be a 'safe pair of hands', and see out the days until he decides that a day on the red benches is as much excitement as he can manage, in comparative peace.

He probably shares the views of a former chairman of the '22, Charles Walker (also standing down) 'I think it's a shambles and a disgrace', 'I've had enough of talentless people putting their tick in the right box, not because it is in the national interest but because it is in their own personal interest to achieve ministerial position' (during the last days of the Truss ministry).

I just hope that the candidates being lined up by Labour and the LibDems don't fall into the same category as that described by Walker.

Quote is from an interview - clip at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-63320605
 

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Theo Clarke (Jacob Real-Smug's niece) is my MP. She's only been seen once in Stafford since being elected in 2019, and that was to open the Western Access Road in 2021. That project was on the cards before she was even a twinkle in Conservative Central Office's eye.
Stafford could easily swing to Labour again if current predictions are anything to go by. It did in the Blair landslide of 1997, when David Kidney gained the seat . He held it in the two subsequent General Elections until the Tories got back in again in 2010.
In 1997 Stafford was the seat that on a uniform swing guaranteed Labour an English yet alone a UK-wide majority. Despite this, the then Tory MP Bill Cash saw the seat to be vulnerable and went on the chicken run up the road to Stone.

The Tory candidate to miss out on becoming MP for Stafford was none other than David Cameron.

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Some might say that if 13 people want one thing, and 12 want the complete opposite, giving the 13 what they want and telling the 12 to get stuffed (rather than reaching a compromise to keep both groups happy) is not democratic! ;)

Indeed, I am very glad he is going.



I'd rather hope it's May or June 2024; May or June is the normal time. Every election I remember, except that silly 2019 one, took place between April and June inclusive. (Well actually I hope it'll be May or June 2023 personally, as I want to see the back of the godawful political era that we've been plagued with since 2019).

Delaying to October will smack of arrogance and desperation, and will not be good for the Tories - both for that reason and also because as October marks the coming of winter, people are more likely to be a bit down compared to May or June, and might take that out on the incumbents.

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Could be I guess, it's well-connected by public transport which might have a correlation with liberal tendency.

Sadly only a hope I suspect, though yes, I'd like that too. ;)

Portsmouth North has come up in the past, but I rather think it will be a Tory hold due to strong social conservatism in that seat.

Portsmouth South is one of those university seats trending Labour, other examples are in Brighton and Reading. I suspect Labour hold with a large increase in majority.
Talking of Reading, Labour will retain Reading East and regain Reading West.

In 2005 Reading East was Tory and Reading West Labour, but 2017/19 the converse. Being wealthier helped East become Tory in 2005 but Remain-leaning helped it become Labour in 2017.
 
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In 1997 Stafford was the seat that on a uniform swing guaranteed Labour an English yet alone a UK-wide majority. Despite this, the then Tory MP Bill Cash saw the seat to be vulnerable and went on the chicken run up the road to Stone.

The Tory candidate to miss out on becoming MP for Stafford was none other than David Cameron.

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Talking of Reading, Labour will retain Reading East and regain Reading West.

In 2005 Reading East was Tory and Reading West Labour, but 2017/19 the converse. Being wealthier helped East become Tory in 2005 but Remain-leaning helped it become Labour in 2017.
Reading West should be a banker on the basis of Council results, not least with the Green’s becoming the Official Opposition on Reading Council last year with 7 seats and the Tories only having 6.
 

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Reading West should be a banker on the basis of Council results, not least with the Green’s becoming the Official Opposition on Reading Council last year with 7 seats and the Tories only having 6.

Unfortunately I have the feeling that the boundary changes are ditching Reading West, and just leaving a single Reading seat (which will obviously be Labour, and in which presumably the Reading East incumbent will stand). Meanwhile, in true boundary changes style, a new seat is being created for Atherstrop-on-the-Wold and Much Binding, population a few thousand sheep and cows plus a few people. That will obviously be Tory. ;)
 

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In addition to the new rural (hence Tory) seat to the west, there is, though, another new seat to the east, Earley and Woodley, which isn't particularly rural and thus may have a chance of a Labour gain:

I did notice it, but I am not aware of the area, therefore I assumed it was pre-existing and did not check further details.
 

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I did notice it, but I am not aware of the area, therefore I assumed it was pre-existing and did not check further details.

At the moment it's just Reading East and Wokingham. So presumably it'll be a mix of those two. A mix of Labour and Redwood, if you like - so could go either way, I guess.
 
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In the North East I’m predicting the Tories will lose every seat they hold here - Berwick, Hexham, Bishop Auckland, North West Durham, Sedgefield, Hartlepool, Redcar, Middlesbrough South & Cleveland, Darlington, and I’ve probably forgotten some! With the exception of Berwick which I think will be a three way marginal, Labour will probably pick all of those seats up comfortably.

I think you overstate the potential Lib Dem vote, but I'm not saying that your predictions will be wrong either .... Tatton (my constituency) has always had Labour in second place and I'll be voting for the most likely to win over Esther McVey at the next election, I voted Labour in 2019 for the same reason, so it's currently my "plan A' to do the same again at the next election.
Lib Dems perform best when they concentrate their efforts at the seats they think they’ve got the best chance at. Any seat they’re within 15k of if they throw the same level of resources into it as they did in the Shropshire, Tiverton and Chesham by elections they could win it.
Lib Dems don’t have the resources to concentrate on more than a small number of seats which is why they won’t win more than a small number of seats, but any seat they were within 15k of last time is doable for them if they throw the kitchen sink at it.
 

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Given the next election could be in 2024, a lot could change between now and election day. It will be interesting to compare all these predictions with the actual results.
 

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Lib Dems don’t have the resources to concentrate on more than a small number of seats which is why they won’t win more than a small number of seats, but any seat they were within 15k of last time is doable for them if they throw the kitchen sink at it.
I do agree with you; it also helps if they have some kind of history in a constituency, possibly through local elections and running local councils, it gives them a base to build on. So in my area I don't think that's my constituency - Tatton - but it applies to Cheadle, Hazel Grove and Stockport more. I'll certainly be refining my thoughts nearer election time because I'm definitely voting against Esther McVey (and Boris Johnson) rather than for Labour or Lib Dems.
 

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Mid Sussex - Tories elected regardless with Labour/Lib Dems gaining a few extra protest votes :rolleyes:
 

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My predictions for my local area (as boundaries currently stand):

Loughborough - LAB gain
Rushcliffe - LAB gain
Charnwood - CON hold (just)
Leicestershire North West - CON hold (just)
Rutland and Melton - CON hold
Bosworth - CON hold (just)
Broxtowe - LAB gain
Erewash - LAB gain
Newark - CON hold (just)

All local seats currently held by Labour to be LAB hold.

But, as others have said, a lot can change in just under 2 years!
 

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My predictions for my local area (as boundaries currently stand):

Loughborough - LAB gain
Rushcliffe - LAB gain
Interesting as that was held by Ken Clarke from 1970 until the last election, including the Blair years.
Charnwood - CON hold (just)
Leicestershire North West - CON hold (just)
Rutland and Melton - CON hold
Bosworth - CON hold (just)
Broxtowe - LAB gain
The other one near there is Gedling, which has been mostly Labour before succumbing to Boris' charms. So presumably that one will revert to Labour.
Erewash - LAB gain
Newark - CON hold (just)

All local seats currently held by Labour to be LAB hold.

But, as others have said, a lot can change in just under 2 years!
Probably more like just over one year now; it's now March, so a May or June election next year would only be around 15 months from now, max.

The anger against Sunak will be immense if he tries to delay it until the last possible moment and that'll make them do worse than they would have done by holding it at a more sensible time of year, such as May or June. It'll smack of unbelievable arrogance and desperation to cling on to power - and I suspect people will not like that. Better to be honest and recognise their time is up - that way they can minimise their losses. And besides, will people really want another election in winter, with the weather likely to be terrible, there being almost no daylight, and Christmas going on concurrently?

But it's time we abolish these ridiculous five-year terms. Many other countries do four, including various continental European countries, and the USA was able to kick Trump out after four.
 
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Interesting as that was held by Ken Clarke from 1970 until the last election, including the Blair years.
Indeed Rushcliffe was indeed held by Clarke during those Labour years; however, it’s a Remain constituency and surrounding areas would move to Labour as the alternative to the Tories. We saw at the 2019 GE that constituencies that were held by Labour for decades and decades fell to the Tories; so it’s not out of the question that Rushcliffe could go the other way.

The anger against Sunak will be immense if he tries to delay it until the last possible moment and that'll make them do worse than they would have done by holding it at a more sensible time of year, such as May or June. It'll smack of unbelievable arrogance and desperation to cling on to power - and I suspect people will not like that.
Then again, one could argue that Sunak doesn’t have anything to lose. Achieving anything less than the 165 seats in 1997 would be considered an absolute bloodbath; so whether the Tories get 50 or 150 seats, it’s a disaster waiting to happen; so might as well maximise the amount of time in office.

But if there is any chance at all of a working or absolute majority (or if damage limitation next year would give a good chance of being elected in 2029), then yes, I agree he wouldn’t wait until the last minute.
 

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The single Isle of Wight seat has been split into two constituencies, which are both likely to go to the Conservatives. Although it is fair to say that there are only a limited number of ways cutting the cake, to my eyes they have chosen the one that best splits the Labour vote between the two seats. This seems to result in two fairly safe Conservatives seats, barring a landslide, rather than one very safe and one moderately safe.
 
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