EMR class 156s for Northern

[BPN2022]

Why don’t 156470/473/497/498 just go to Northern as well?

 

[170UTD]

Why don’t 156470/473/497/498 just go to Northern as well?

I think it's simply that Northern don't want them. Although unless they're in a really bad state I'd have thought they would be better than the ex-Greater Anglia units.

 

[AMD]

Why don’t 156470/473/497/498 just go to Northern as well?

Northern would have them if it was a free choice, however in the current climate with the treasury looking for cuts, the chances of it happening are close to zero unfortunately.

 

[td97]

Shame, a few of the peak diagrams on Rochdale - Blackburn are booked for 2 carriages which is a reduction from the May timetable.
The diagrams forming the 0652 Clitheroe to Rochdale (previously 3 car) and 1654 (previously 4 car) and 1752 (previously 4 car) Rochdale to Blackburn would be ideal and not leave passengers behind, as will inevitably occur next month after the Christmas break.
The return to 2tph makes no difference as the 0652 and 1654 existed in the previous timetable as peak extras.

 

[ThePeakNed]

I think it's simply that Northern don't want them. Although unless they're in a really bad state I'd have thought they would be better than the ex-Greater Anglia units.

Led to believe 156498 will struggle making it back in traffic at present. Severe corrosion.

 

[fgwrich]

I think it's simply that Northern don't want them. Although unless they're in a really bad state I'd have thought they would be better than the ex-Greater Anglia units.

Led to believe 156498 will struggle making it back in traffic at present. Severe corrosion.

Indeed, looks can be deceiving . The EMT Refurbishment might have made them look nice from a passenger perspective, but from a mechanical perspective they are somewhat, crispy. Almost the opposite to the ex GA units, which look rough from a passenger perspective!

 

[Geeves]

If 156409 is anything to go by then the corrosion issues will not be an issue and can be attended to, here's a reminder!

 

[LowLevel]

Indeed, looks can be deceiving . The EMT Refurbishment might have made them look nice from a passenger perspective, but from a mechanical perspective they are somewhat, crispy. Almost the opposite to the ex GA units, which look rough from a passenger perspective!

The ex GA units look rough from a passenger perspective and are taking anywhere up to 6 months each at Wolverton to make less err "crispy" - the worst of all worlds you could say!

The main Porterbrook EMT fleet had bodywork repairs not long ago when the robobogs were fitted. The 4 Angel ones didn't and they're the ones in a state.

 

[skyhigh]

If 156409 is anything to go by then the corrosion issues will not be an issue and can be attended to, here's a reminder!

But at what cost, if there's no immediate need for the unit?

 

[geoffk]

It's probably mentioned above, but what will these additional 156s be replacing (as they are unlikely to be additional). Aren't Northern's 153s all stored?

 

[507020]

It's probably mentioned above, but what will these additional 156s be replacing (as they are unlikely to be additional). Aren't Northern's 153s all stored?

(Effectively rebuilt) 156s for Northern might free up 150s for GWR at this point

 

[170UTD]

It's probably mentioned above, but what will these additional 156s be replacing (as they are unlikely to be additional). Aren't Northern's 153s all stored?

They're replacing the 153s that Northern sent for storage (at least that was the original plan, it may have changed now).

 

[Ant158]

Shame, a few of the peak diagrams on Rochdale - Blackburn are booked for 2 carriages which is a reduction from the May timetable.
The diagrams forming the 0652 Clitheroe to Rochdale (previously 3 car) and 1654 (previously 4 car) and 1752 (previously 4 car) Rochdale to Blackburn would be ideal and not leave passengers behind, as will inevitably occur next month after the Christmas break.
The return to 2tph makes no difference as the 0652 and 1654 existed in the previous timetable as peak extras.

Have caught the 6.58 from Whalley (ex 6.52 Clitheroe) since the timetable change and has been operateded by a single Class 150/1 and also 150/2.
Due to people avoiding the trains and it been Christmas week it's been nowhere near as busy as normal. Before the timetable change it was always 3 carriage and standing room only by Bolton. Now it also calls at Farnworth, not sure anyone there will be able to get on come Jan.

One thing I have noticed is how abysmall the legroom on the Class 156 is for the taller person! Also should be fun when double units do operate, cramming everyone for stations with shorter platforms into 1 unit while one gets dragged empty between Blackburn and Clitheroe!

 

[Pippy1505]

Permanent storage or heading there and then onto Ely Papworth Sidings at a later date?

Move Barrow Hill - Ely in the new year

 

[AMD]

One thing I have noticed is how abysmall the legroom on the Class 156 is for the taller person! Also should be fun when double units do operate, cramming everyone for stations with shorter platforms into 1 unit while one gets dragged empty between Blackburn and Clitheroe!

Depends on the seat type fitted.
Ramsgreave & Wilpshire is where the back unit will get locked out, as the platforms have been extended there for 2x156 units.

 

[The_Train]

170470/473/497 and 498 now off lease and moving Etches Park - Barrow Hill on Thursday

Has this move happened today please?

 

[LowLevel]

Has this move happened today please?

They left as planned yesterday morning.

Fare well old stallions, may your musty old cab ends that smell faintly of damp and weed serve you well in the after life (well, Ely).

 

[The_Train]

They left as planned yesterday morning.

Fare well old stallions, may your musty old cab ends that smell faintly of damp and weed serve you well in the after life (well, Ely).

Oh yeah, it's Friday today - it's that time of year when days become merged

Thanks for confirming

 

[Killingworth]

They left as planned yesterday morning.

Fare well old stallions, may your musty old cab ends that smell faintly of damp and weed serve you well in the after life (well, Ely).

I noted 156413 running solo on Nottingham-Liverpool yesterday morning so seems some will be soldiering on for a little while yet?

 

[170UTD]

156907 has worked 5Z56 to Barrow Hill L.I.P this morning. I presume EMR needed the depot space for the 170s?

 

[fgwrich]

156907 has worked 5Z56 to Barrow Hill L.I.P this morning. I presume EMR needed the depot space for the 170s?

Believe that one’s gone for storage now and possibly off lease awaiting transfer.

 

[diligentdave]

Believe that one’s gone for storage now and possibly off lease awaiting transfer.

It's quite possible that it's going to be scrapped. Rumours on my grapevine are saying that at least 1 unit will be withdrawn.

 

[fgwrich]

It's quite possible that it's going to be scrapped. Rumours on my grapevine are saying that at least 1 unit will be withdrawn.

Id have thought that would have been 497 - it reportedly went away for a corrosion assessment some time ago and doesn’t appear to have surfaced since.

 

[LowLevel]

Id have thought that would have been 497 - it reportedly went away for a corrosion assessment some time ago and doesn’t appear to have surfaced since.

That was 498. It went for assessment/repairs at Derby and is now stored at Ely with the other 3 Angel Trains units.

It's quite possible that it's going to be scrapped. Rumours on my grapevine are saying that at least 1 unit will be withdrawn.

407 is meant to be a Northern one - perhaps they've given up it given the length of time it is taking to do each unit?

 

[43096]

It's quite possible that it's going to be scrapped. Rumours on my grapevine are saying that at least 1 unit will be withdrawn.

It is one of the units transferring to Northern, as has been stated several times before.

 

[D6130]

That was 498.

Interestingly that unit was involved in two separate collisions - Leeds West Junction in 1993 with (with 47 562) and Crosby Garrett in 1999 (with 60 019). I wonder whether the damage sustained and the subsequent repairs left the unit more vunerable to corrosion issues?

 

[Neptune]

Interestingly that unit was involved in two separate collisions - Leeds West Junction in 1993 with (with 47 562)

156483

and Crosby Garrett in 1999 (with 60 019). I wonder whether the damage sustained and the subsequent repairs left the unit more vunerable to corrosion issues?

156489

156498 collided with 91019 at Holbeck Jn in 1991.

 

[170UTD]

407 is meant to be a Northern one - perhaps they've given up it given the length of time it is taking to do each unit?

If they have given up, it'll be interesting to see what what happens to 917 (417) and if two of the "native" EMR units will transfer instead.
From what I've read today it sounds like 907 has been put at Barrow Hill ready to go to Wolverton when they have space.

 

[D6130]

156489

156498 collided with 91019 at Holbeck Jn in 1991.

156483

Oh dear! More senior moments! Thanks for the clarifications.

 

[170UTD]

The hand back dates of the Class 156s are no later than what is shown here (ignore that the dates are written the wrong way round, someone hasn't changed the spreadsheet settings from American English to English UK)
• NTL stands for Northern.
• PBK for Porterbrook.
Apparently the dates are not set in stone and are subject to change, so I'll try to update accordingly.
Just to keep the mods happy, I have permission to post this.