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alxndr

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When the owner of the Montego got the handbrake fixed, the chap who did the job gave the tip regarding parking on hills that I mentioned at the top of this post, ever since then I now do that myself as it ensures that the car will stay in place even if the handbrake fails.
It will make it much less likely, but won't guarantee it. I know vehicles that have started to roll in gear. That's why there's also the recommendation to turn the wheels to the kerb as well.
 
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I always leave it in gear when parked up, it's just a good habit to have, and round by me you're more likely to be parked on a hill than on the flat anyway. It's surprising to many just how little gradient's needed to move a car with brakes off, especially if the tyres are correctly pumped up. I'll turn my steering wheel if it's a very steep hill, but that's rare.

At traffic lights it all depends on how long I'm likely to be there, longer stops and I'll put in neutral, otherwise I'll leave it whatever gear I'm starting in, clutch always depressed beyond biting point of course, almost always handbrake on unless it's going to be a very short stop. I can't get over the number of people who ride their clutches for ages: surely they can smell it? I certainly often can behind them! I was taught not so long ago no longer than 4 seconds max before you'll do damage.

We've two very different cars too, both manual but one with manual handbrake, push button start, the other electronic handbrake, key to start and stop start function, and I can't say my styles of using brakes and gears are much different other than being appropriate for their size and engine. We were reluctant about the electronic parking brake to start with but got used to it quickly, while the stop/start works a lot better than our previous car with it, which used to give semi regular 'false stops' when you weren't expecting it.
 

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I do when parked on hills, I leave it in reverse if facing down but leave it in 1st if facing up the hill.
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I should also point out that I DO NOT advise trying this with auto gearbox vehicles.
Don't all automatics have a "park" position on the selector, which should always be used when leaving the car? I don't think I've ever driven one without.
 

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Strangely enough it was only yesterday morning I started the car and someone else had left it gear causing me to stall. People park so close to each other I’m lucky I didn’t bang in to anyone.

As for damaging clutches at traffic lights you are doing far more damage to your car using the start stop feature. I switch it off every time I use the car.
Stop-start

Worst thing that every came to the motoring world

Buggers up your battery, starter motor & flywheel.
My car (vw golf) has a button to switch it off so I don’t move off until I’ve done so.
Leaving the system on you’ll see roughly an extra 4-5 mpg.

Whoopy doo.

Put that tiny saving up against the cost of just having an engines flywheel replaced!
 

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Stop-start

Worst thing that every came to the motoring world

Buggers up your battery, starter motor & flywheel.

I have to disagree.

That extra 5mpg (and it‘s more on local trips in bad traffic) effectively knocks 10-15% off my diesel bill. That’s £250-£300 a year, and better for the environment, obviously.
 

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I've only ever driven relatively old manual transmission vehicles without stop-start, with 'real' handbrakes and no need to depress the clutch on starting.

When parking I always have the handbrake on, wheels against the kerb and, if there's even a slight gradient, leave the car in gear.

At traffic lights I always put the handbrake on and the transmission in neutral, unless they're changing imminently.

When starting I check the car is in neutral, that the handbrake is on, and depress the clutch, for reasons outlined above.

I'm not sure why anyone would do anything different (if driving a similarly 'old-fashioned' vehicle).
 

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I have to disagree.

That extra 5mpg (and it‘s more on local trips in bad traffic) effectively knocks 10-15% off my diesel bill. That’s £250-£300 a year, and better for the environment, obviously.
If you are unlucky enough to need a flywheel, starter & a battery replaced at the same time you’re looking at a bill between £1500 & £2,000 (maybe more) depending on the car.
Chap I know is a vw specialist.
The number one question he’s asked is can you switch the start/stop off permanently.

I turn mine off while I wait for the glow plug light to go out & putting my seatbelt on
 

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If you are unlucky enough to need a flywheel, starter & a battery replaced at the same time you’re looking at a bill between £1500 & £2,000 (maybe more) depending on the car.
Chap I know is a vw specialist.
The number one question he’s asked is can you switch the start/stop off permanently.

I turn mine off while I wait for the glow plug light to go out & putting my seatbelt on

Presumably that’s mostly the flywheel.

Im willing to bet people asking to turn it off aren’t doing so because of worry about the flywheel.
 

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I have to disagree.

That extra 5mpg (and it‘s more on local trips in bad traffic) effectively knocks 10-15% off my diesel bill. That’s £250-£300 a year, and better for the environment, obviously.

There's also the tax savings which could be £150 a year if it was built before March 2017
 

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I never leave it in gear when parked. That's what the parking brake is for. If the car couldn't hold itself on a hill then yes I'd start looking to leave it in gear,

At lights I'll usually have it in neutral and clutch in for speedy start. Some say the clutch wears with holding the clutch in in neutral but I disagree when there is no load on the gearbox.
 

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I never leave it in gear when parked. That's what the parking brake is for. If the car couldn't hold itself on a hill then yes I'd start looking to leave it in gear,

At lights I'll usually have it in neutral and clutch in for speedy start. Some say the clutch wears with holding the clutch in in neutral but I disagree when there is no load on the gearbox.
Holding the clutch pedal down as you describe, there is a bearing, the clutch release bearing, it will shorten the life of the bearing possibly triggering a need for premature replacement, expensive as the labour charge will be about the same as a full clutchplate repair

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Stop-start

Worst thing that every came to the motoring world

Buggers up your battery, starter motor & flywheel.
My car (vw golf) has a button to switch it off so I don’t move off until I’ve done so.
Leaving the system on you’ll see roughly an extra 4-5 mpg.

Whoopy doo.

Put that tiny saving up against the cost of just having an engines flywheel replaced!
Japanese Honda introduced stop-start engines more than 20 years ago, then 15 years later the European car makers joined the game, the European systems are weak copies of the Japanese system. The Japanese used a separate direct-drive to the engine crankshaft brushless motor without any gears or starter ring to wear out in use, the Europeans simply adapted (beefed up) the existing conventional starter motor / flywheel ring-gear system.
The Japanese system starts the engine to running rpm in an instant, basically as fast as you press can the clutch pedal to the floor and select a gear, none of the wear and tear or chug-a-chug-a-chug delay for the engine to run of the European systems
 
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Holding the clutch pedal down as you describe, there is a bearing, the clutch release bearing, it will shorten the life of the bearing possibly triggering a need for premature replacement, expensive as the labour charge will be about the same as a full clutchplate repair

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I've got a nice £2000 bill coming up for my ecoboost 1.0 wet belt replacement. Don't think the car will last long enough for a clutch failure , but thanks for the advice, I'll stop doing that.
 

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I generally do, but the one argument I've heard for not doing so is that if you're parked on the road and someone shunts you it can cause gearbox damage. But on balance I'd rather do it so I'm confident my car won't roll away, particularly as my drive slopes towards the road and people park cars on the road opposite it, so if it did run away I would certainly be in receipt of an insurance claim.
On a car with a manual transmission, a "shunt" while parked, is low-risk for the gearbox, just think of the loads the gearbox routinely accepts when accelerating hard or climbing steep hills.
Automatic transmissions, some designs of automatics engage a pawl lever to lock the transmission when the selector is set to P for park. Those transmissions were at risk of expensive repairs in shunts, the pawl mechanism could be damaged if the transmission is P-locked if the vehicle is hit from the rear or the front
 

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I've got a nice £2000 bill coming up for my ecoboost 1.0 wet belt replacement. Don't think the car will last long enough for a clutch failure , but thanks for the advice, I'll stop doing that.

Chap at work has a new Fiesta every 3 years, does no more than 3,000 miles in that time.
I’d hate to be the sucker that buys his old car.
The engine is red lined everywhere it goes.

Heard a few issues with the eco boost engines.

Some garages won’t touch them
 

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Normally a system which could, if failing cause death would be required to have a back up system, leaving a car parked in gear provides this, in many other environments , eg. railways, it would be mandated that a second system is used.
 

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Normally a system which could, if failing cause death would be required to have a back up system, leaving a car parked in gear provides this, in many other environments , eg. railways, it would be mandated that a second system is used.
My Father managed to break a handbrake cable on his Ford Anglia, the situation, parking on a steep hill he applied the handbrake, then for "good measure" gave the lever an extra pull, the steel cable parted company at the clevis at the drum brake end of the car.
Fortunatley the handbrake failed while he was present and not while he was away, he then left the car parked in gear and the front wheels on full steering lock and the back wheel hard against the kerb. It was not going to roll like that.
Partking a car with the front wheels turned away from straight is good and simple anti-theft practice, It makes tow-away theft more difficult if the front wheels are not in the straight-ahead position
 

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I always park in gear - just a habit I’ve got into which I think I picked up from parents. My other half recently passed her test and was advised by her instructor to always park in neutral, but he couldn’t explain why (particularly given we live on a hill)

I’ve also witnessed a car roll away and nearly hit mine (on my way back from what turned out to be a positive Covid test, as well!) which would have been less severe had it been parked in gear

I commute via some traffic lights on a hill and see so many people not using the handbrake when they're waiting at the lights. Why not use it - it's easier!
With some cars, mine included, it has auto hold, so it will hold the brakes on when stopped (lights illuminated). When at lights, particularly in the dark, I will often flick the parking brake, but I feel many don’t!

Most manual Fords require the clutch to be down to start. It is less load on the starter and makes the chance of accidentally running someone over when it lurches forward if accidentally in gear less likely.
My VW and the one prior require(d) the clutch to be depressed to start. The Mazda I had before didn’t but I tended to do it anyway after a couple of occasions where I started the car in gear and lurched forward
 

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That extra 5mpg [using stop-start] (and it‘s more on local trips in bad traffic) effectively knocks 10-15% off my diesel bill.
It depends entirely on what type of trips you do. Almost all my journeys are either a long M-way trip to my daughter's, or a 30 mile rural round-trip to my nearest town with only one traffic light when I get there.

I have always turned my engine off myself if I can see there is a significant wait, long before anyone else did or Stop-start was dreamed up. But I want to make that decision myself, I don't want my engine shutting down just as I see (as the ECU cannot see) that the lights are turning green and car in front of me is is moving off, because that achieves nothing but wear and tear.

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I know vehicles that have started to roll in gear.
If the hill is steep enough. But more slowly than if they are in neutral.

Some say the clutch wears with holding the clutch in in neutral but I disagree when there is no load on the gearbox.
Those "some" are correct. FWIW I was once the deputy foreman in car dealer's workshop. The part that wears in that situation is the release bearing, and the wear is caused by the load on it, with the pressure provided by your foot ultimately. I have replaced quite a few in my time, they are not particularly robust.
 
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I have always turned my engine off myself if I can see there is a significant wait, long before anyone else did or Stop-start was dreamed up. But I want to make that decision myself, I don't want my engine shutting down just as I see (as the ECU cannot see) that the lights are turning green and car in front of me is is moving off, because that achieves nothing but wear and tear.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty certain that on my Auris, you need to apply the handbrake and be in neutral and release the clutch before the stop/start kicks in. Thus it very rarely only kicks in for a couple of seconds because I've anticipated the changing lights and have so not fulfilled all the criteria for it to kick in.

As an aside, I've been at the front of the queue at lights with the stop/start having the engine off, so hence having handbrake on and car in neutral. I've had a VW Golf pull up next to me sitting there riding the clutch and when the lights have changed, I've had the much better pull away and the "boy racer" has been left well behind as we meet the lane merge the other side.
 

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If parked, left in gear.

At lights, depends.

If they've just turned red or I don't know how long they'll be red, then in neutral with hand brake on.

If I expect the lights to change soon after stopping then, I'll leave it in gear (first on flat or up hill, second gear if down hill). Either in gear with handbrake to hold, or if on the flat and down hill, then held with foot brake.

I never hold cars on clutch control until lights change, as you see some folks doing.
 

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Current car's an automatic so not really relevant but with my previous manual cars I only did when I parked on a steep hill, with wheels turned to face the kerb. I did once own an awful 1991 Maestro which I always left in gear when parking regardless because I didn't trust the brakes.

At lights in a manual I'd put it in neutral unless I thought the lights were due to change imminently, with an automatic same principle but with Park rather than neutral.
 

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Strangely enough it was only yesterday morning I started the car and someone else had left it gear causing me to stall. People park so close to each other I’m lucky I didn’t bang in to anyone.

As for damaging clutches at traffic lights you are doing far more damage to your car using the start stop feature. I switch it off every time I use the car.
How does the 'stop-start' feature damage the car? Mine is excellent and very efficient, but as it's a hybrid car and most of my journeys are on electric power it doesn't get used very often. It also has a 'hold' function for the brakes when coming to a halt, which is useful. Prior to my current car I had manuals, but would never leave it in gear when parked and would be in neutral at stops unless I knew them to be be very brief.
 

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I once parked my car on a rather steep hill in Saltash, in the evening - an hour or so later, returning to the spot, my car was missing! Only then did I see it nudged up for comfort behind another car about ten yards down: luckily for me, there was no sign of any damage to either car, but it was the first sign of handbrake problems that persisted as long as I had that Citroen DX. It also taught me not to park a car in neutral on an incline.
 

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I once parked my car on a rather steep hill in Saltash, in the evening - an hour or so later, returning to the spot, my car was missing! Only then did I see it nudged up for comfort behind another car about ten yards down: luckily for me, there was no sign of any damage to either car, but it was the first sign of handbrake problems that persisted as long as I had that Citroen DX. It also taught me not to park a car in neutral on an incline.
That happened driving my dad's Austin Cambridge when I was 18. My current Nissan Pulsar will safely park on a steeper slope on the handbrake
 

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I currently have a car with a damaged rear end, thanks to a driver who parked in neutral, strangely all five damaged cars were insured by Churchill.
 
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