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Are you sure that isn't because they've been sitting beside the Forth shore at Bo'ness for years? When the class 308 EMUs arrived in West Yorkshire, they were riddled with rust, having spent a few years beside the Thames estuary in the ex-MOD sidings at Pig's Bay, Shoeburyness.

That probably doesn't help! Likewise 26040 lived next to the sea at Levenmouth for many years and is now having vast sections replaced.

In my defence, the two 26s at Boat of Garten are nowhere near the sea and are exhibiting all the same symptoms. I gather the cab window surrounds fail over time and let water into the front ends.

My attached photo shows this issue on a 27 at Bo'ness.
 

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That probably doesn't help! Likewise 26040 lived next to the sea at Levenmouth for many years and is now having vast sections replaced.

In my defence, the two 26s at Boat of Garten are nowhere near the sea and are exhibiting all the same symptoms. I gather the cab window surrounds fail over time and let water into the front ends.

My attached photo shows this issue on a 27 at Bo'ness.
Why is there a ghostly GNER logo on the front end?
 

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In my defence, the two 26s at Boat of Garten are nowhere near the sea and are exhibiting all the same symptoms. I gather the cab window surrounds fail over time and let water into the front ends.
That's why when they were refurbished, the remaining 26s were fitted with rubber windscreen gromits like those on the 27s....although, judging by the photos of D5351/27 005 undergoing restoration at Bo' ness, they don't seem to have been entirely successful either. ISTR that back in the 1970s certain 27s were fitted with aluminium window surrounds in an attempt to get round this problem. 5357, 5373, 5374, 5391 and 5397 according to my records. Sorry....drifting off-topic here - although the 26s and 27s were replaced in the Highlands by 37s.
 

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Some people don’t understand how businesses work. Unless “heritage” contributes to bottom line profit, they’re not going to be interested.
DRS must be interested in some form of ‘heritage’ though, why repaint several of your locomotives in a non corporate identity such as they did with the likes of 401,2,7,19,24 and 25? Those repaints didn’t exactly contribute to profit did they?
 

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DRS must be interested in some form of ‘heritage’ though, why repaint several of your locomotives in a non corporate identity such as they did with the likes of 401,2,7,19,24 and 25? Those repaints didn’t exactly contribute to profit did they?
A repaint is very cheap and gets you some publicity. It doesn't materially change the operating costs.
 

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A repaint is very cheap and gets you some publicity. It doesn't materially change the operating costs.

'Very cheap'? Last quote I heard for a full repaint of a loco was £12,000. Even a vinyl wrap as a 'cheap' option was £10,000.
 

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DRS must be interested in some form of ‘heritage’ though, why repaint several of your locomotives in a non corporate identity such as they did with the likes of 401,2,7,19,24 and 25? Those repaints didn’t exactly contribute to profit did they?
If they were due repaint anyway, there’s no additional cost.
 

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In railway terms, £12k is really not a lot of money. Locos cost >£5m a piece.

For a brand new loco, quite possibly. Certainly not for a 50-year old Class 37, even those ones resurrected from near-demic condition.
 

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For a brand new loco, quite possibly. Certainly not for a 50-year old Class 37, even those ones resurrected from near-demic condition.
I bet the running costs for what's inside the loco cost a hell of a lot more than the paint on the outside.

Point was, a Paint job is a way of getting a little bit of publicity for comparatively little money. Buying/leasing and running a heritage loco costs a hell of a lot more.
 
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Regarding the paint job, someone on the foruum mentioned that the DRS 37's trundlling up from Barrow to Carlisle were painted in large logo BR style as opposed to DRS compass so that when they broke down at places like Foxfield the pax pointed the finger at Northern/ British Rail/ whoever for then unreliability of the service and not DRS.
 

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If they were due repaint anyway, there’s no additional cost.
Only if it were in corporate colours though, I wouldn’t have thought there would massive stocks of Monastral Blue, Intercity Charcoal or Reggie Rail blue knocking around at Kingmoor or Barrow Hill, not exactly common place these days is it?
Plus a decent paint job isn’t exactly cheap, there’s a reason why GBRf want there stuff done at Eastleigh.
 

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To get back on topic, I've never seen photos of 37s in restoration needing such intensive bodywork repairs.
They are much better than some but do have a few rust traps, main ones being
- under the main radiator grille
- corner of the cabside windows
- cabside panels
- under the headcode boxes
 

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I think you'll find heritage is sometimes taken into consideration in commercial decisions.
GBRf's attitude to locomotive liveries is sufficient demonstration of this.

Bob Tiller, the Engineering Director of GBRf, who was largely responsible for developing the class 69 conversion programme, had an earlier involvement in diesel locomotive preservation.
(69002 is named after him in recognition of his work on the class).
John Smith, the CEO of GB Railfreight, unveiled the name of loco 69002 in a small ceremony at Waterloo Station. It was named Bob Tiller CM&EE – a fitting tribute to the “father of the Class 69".
 

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Bob Tiller, the Engineering Director of GBRf, who was largely responsible for developing the class 69 conversion programme, had an earlier involvement in diesel locomotive preservation.
(69002 is named after him in recognition of his work on the class).
Was he involved with the D&EPG earlier in his life?
 

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Regarding the paint job, someone on the foruum mentioned that the DRS 37's trundlling up from Barrow to Carlisle were painted in large logo BR style as opposed to DRS compass so that when they broke down at places like Foxfield the pax pointed the finger at Northern/ British Rail/ whoever for then unreliability of the service and not DRS.
Incorrect - they were all (or mostly) in DRS livery. This was at Parton in June 2015.
 

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Yes, he was its chairman in the 1990s and early 2000s.
Thought so, thank you.

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I believe there were at least two in large logo that were used at times.
401/2 and 3 seemed to be regulars up there, 403 was on a contract from those lovely people at Bo’ness, as I’ve mentioned in an above post 401,2,3,7,9 and 24/558 carried Large Logo, so you’ve at least 2 from those.
1,2 and 3 never seemed to make it down to East Anglia for whatever reason.
 
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Thought so, thank you.

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401/2 and 3 seemed to be regulars up there, 403 was on a contract from those lovely people at Bo’ness, as I’ve mentioned in an above post 401,2,3,7,9 and 24/558 carried Large Logo, so you’ve at least 2 from those.
1,2 and 3 never seemed to make it down to East Anglia for whatever reason.
Looking through my photos from 2015/16, 37401 was in "large logo" livery in both years. 37402 was in DRS livery in 2015, but had become large logo livery by 2016. All my other loco photos on Cumbrian Coast services were DRS livery - but I was not there every day, and other locos may have appeared. Assorted 37s were seen in 2015, including 37218, 37603/604/606/612, 37667/688, 37401/402/409/419/423/425. Only 37/4s seemed to appear in 2016 when push-pull operation applied.
 

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Looking through my photos from 2015/16, 37401 was in "large logo" livery in both years. 37402 was in DRS livery in 2015, but had become large logo livery by 2016. All my other loco photos on Cumbrian Coast services were DRS livery - but I was not there every day, and other locos may have appeared. Assorted 37s were seen in 2015, including 37218, 37603/604/606/612, 37667/688, 37401/402/409/419/423/425. Only 37/4s seemed to appear in 2016 when push-pull operation applied.
Originally I think 401 went on loan from DRS to Bo’ness in about 2012/13, then about 2 years later it was recalled from loan whilst it it had been repainted from EWS Red and Gold to Large Logo.

About 2015/16 there was something in Rail Mag about DRS having a decision to repaint it’s 37/4’s in large logo.
I think it was just after they finished in East Anglia, 2019 419 and 425 had the mainline and Reggie Rail repaints.
(This is all off the top of my head btw, I could be talking utter BS)
 
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Only 37/4s seemed to appear in 2016 when push-pull operation applied.
37/4s are the only 37 variant with ETH (electric train heat) facility, hence why DRS put money into restoring these locos during the last decade.
 

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Is that why diamond plate turns up around cab doors on 37s? A trick borrowed from Land Rover Defender owners.
The diamond plate is generally the below doors. Where the cabsides rot is a horizontal line about 2ft below the bottom of the window. There is a drainage channel there which blocks and causes water to pool and rot the panel.

The checker plate fitted to Defenders is often hiding damage from off reading and is a pet hate!
 

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Incorrect. Colas had a single MPV for test trains until very recently.
Colas never ’had’ an MPV, it belongs to Network Rail and it is still operational. Colas merely provide a driver.

I'd have imagined if Colas wanted more HSTs, they would have sourced them from the many ex-LNER ones available and probably already done it - correct me if you know otherwise though.

Colas need more 43s because simply, they do not have enough for the work, ever since they’ve been taken them on lease to replace the 67s and (as much as possible) the 37s. GWR Castle power cars are probably a better bet than whatever dregs of the LNER fleet remain in cold storage because (presumably) they were good examples of the GWR fleet anyway, have had money spent on them recently and are operational and ready to go.
 
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