Christmas Eve Final Trains

[Peterthegreat]

Yes just looked on RTT and everything apart from Hull trains early departure has disappeared from Beverley so car it is. Looks like they have given up completely on the 24th.

They also gave up on 15 th and 18th (and the 27th).

 

[185]

Why are they not either cancelling or deleting those (still advertised) trains? Gross mismanagement leaving those trains up within four days.
*this train will not run
Well you missed that very clear note, it's your fault.

 

[CyrusWuff]

Why are they not either cancelling or deleting those (still advertised) trains? Gross mismanagement leaving those trains up within four days.
*this train will not run
Well you missed that very clear note, it's your fault.

As a general rule, "late" timetable bids (anything submitted after T-14 weeks) will not be reflected in retail systems until the Thursday before that week's timetable starts on Saturday. This applies regardless of whether it's down to the TOC or Network Rail.

Obviously this is less than ideal given "Informed Traveller" (i.e. alterations being published at T-12) is pretty much dead - particularly at weekends - despite valiant efforts by some TOCs.

 

[185]

Bumping the thread just to highlight the chaos the railway is in with no firm, clear timetable on show.

Called one train company's customer service line to ask "are you definately running a train at 2030 on christmas eve".
- Call handler was adamant they are.
Reminded the call handler that it's all over the press that trains are finished by 3pm.
- Call handler says "no, this system will even let me reserve seats and disabled assistance"
Asked call handler to look at the subnotes on National Rail App.
- Call handler now confused, says he will email their planning & control.

This is not isolated to this company - spoke to another shortly after with similar confused answers.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Can foresee any number of intending passengers getting stranded late afternoon onwards at various locations around the network on Christmas Eve.

 

[mike57]

This is not isolated to this company - spoke to another shortly after with similar confused answers.

Northern App is now showing what I think is the correct situation now on our local line, i.e. no trains at all on the 24th. This whole dispute(s) is feeling more and more like a fight to death with no one coming out winner. (Note: this comment is reflection on what I think is the wider political situation rather than the actual rights and wrongs)

 

[dk1]

Can foresee any number of intending passengers getting stranded late afternoon onwards at various locations around the network on Christmas Eve.

You’ll always get those folk that live in caves. Strange breed indeed.

 

[306024]

As a general rule, "late" timetable bids (anything submitted after T-14 weeks) will not be reflected in retail systems until the Thursday before that week's timetable starts on Saturday. This applies regardless of whether it's down to the TOC or Network Rail.

Obviously this is less than ideal given "Informed Traveller" (i.e. alterations being published at T-12) is pretty much dead - particularly at weekends - despite valiant efforts by some TOCs.

I know you said it was a general rule, but can you explain why that is the case? NR publish the data, so is that a NR policy decision? It is clearly bonkers that a timetable that may be known internally three months before the day of operation isn’t released until two days before operation, or have I misunderstood?

 

[Bald Rick]

Personally I applaud NR for shutting lines early where there were major project possessions despite the inconvenience but majority of lines don't have possession on though so why have a blanket early finish when your still going to pay the staff isn't really helping the situation of trying to reduce teh gap between costs and passenger income.

On most lines there’s going to be no signallers or ECROs from1800, so the system has to be shut down, all trains in bed, possessions and isolations taken by then. And of course there are a lot of previously ‘non disruptive’ possessions that were going to be Xmas day and/or Boxing Day only that now become disruptive.

As a general rule, "late" timetable bids (anything submitted after T-14 weeks) will not be reflected in retail systems until the Thursday before that week's timetable starts on Saturday. This applies regardless of whether it's down to the TOC or Network Rail.

Obviously this is less than ideal given "Informed Traveller" (i.e. alterations being published at T-12) is pretty much dead - particularly at weekends - despite valiant efforts by some TOCs.

I’ve never heard of this general rule before. It’s certainly not been applied for the last 3 years!

 

[Mcr Warrior]

You’ll always get those folk that live in caves. Strange breed indeed.

Have a quick re-read of post #64.

 

[Dr Day]

Something that nearly caught one of my relations out is the impact on services on Xmas Eve on LUL routes operated over Network Rail infrastructure eg north of Queen's Park, Wimbledon Parson's Green etc.

 

[CyrusWuff]

I’ve never heard of this general rule before. It’s certainly not been applied for the last 3 years!

It's the excuse that's been trotted out internally at my TOC when revised timetables haven't appeared in retail systems until the Thursday before they come into effect, even since Covid hit. (Which is, of course, less than helpful for both staff and passengers.)

This could, of course, be a misunderstanding on the part of the staff involved, in which case I apologise for passing on duff info.

 

[dan4291]

Lumo's last trains are the 5:45 and 10:25 departures from London to Edinburgh, and 05:36 and 08:56 departures from Edinburgh to London.

 

[dk1]

Have a quick re-read of post #64.

Some staff members must live in caves too. Says train company but I'd expect that from Trainline

 

[newtownmgr]

Im not sure about Ops side but mtce get bonus payments for shifts that start from 2300 Xmas Eve round to shifts that start before midnight on Boxing day or they did when i had them deployed on S&C works i was responsible for through 2000's/10's and generally had no issue getting it covered as it was a sum set to incentivise volunteers.

RMT have an overtime ban, so regardless of any bonus payments that may or may not exist these days, the shifts won’t be covered if it’s not a booked shift I’m guessing.

 

[Silver Cobra]

For the Peterborough-Horsham route on Thameslink, the last trains on Christmas Eve are as follows:

Peterborough to Horsham - 1124
Peterborough to Kings Cross - 1224
Horsham to Peterborough - 1125
Kings Cross to Peterborough - 1354

 

[Merle Haggard]

Not exactly following the thread title, but NRES have the 06.15 SuO Northampton - Milton Keynes (it's always a bus) running on 25th December with a fare of £10.80.

 

[WizCastro197]

Last Southern Trains from Victoria are as follows:

11:54 to Ore
12:30 to Epsom Downs
12:46 to Littlehampton
13:24 to Eastbourne
13:38 to Redhill
13:41 to Dorking via Sutton
13:50 to London Bridge
13:59 to Brighton (stopping only at Gatwick Airport and Haywards Heath)
14:00 to Selhurst
14:05 to Horsham via East Croydon (fast)

 

[dk1]

Last Southern Trains from Victoria are as follows:

11:54 to Ore
12:30 to Epsom Downs
12:46 to Littlehampton
13:24 to Eastbourne
13:38 to Redhill
13:41 to Dorking via Sutton
13:50 to London Bridge
13:59 to Brighton (stopping only at Gatwick Airport and Haywards Heath)
14:00 to Selhurst
14:05 to Horsham via East Croydon (fast)

Wonder if Wetherspoons on the concourse will give their staff an early getaway.

 

[miklcct]

Last trains on the London Overground / Elizabeth line network (including trains from other operators) as follows:

North London Line / West London Line
11:29 Stratford - Richmond
11:51 Stratford - Clapham Junction
11:03 Clapham Junction - Stratford
11:33 Clapham Junction - Gospel Oak
11:49 Clapham Junction - Willesden Junction
12:49 Clapham Junction - Shepherd's Bush
11:17 Richmond - Stratford
11:47 Richmond - Willesden Junction
15:43 Richmond - Gunnersbury (London Underground)

East London Line / South London Line
07:34 Dalston Junction - Battersea Park
12:42 Dalston Junction - New Cross
13:02 Highbury & Islington - West Croydon
13:49 Dalston Junction - Clapham Junction
13:55 Highbury & Islington - Crystal Palace
08:33 Battersea Park - Dalston Junction
13:30 Clapham Junction - Dalston Junction
13:01 West Croydon - Highbury & Islington
13:31 West Croydon - Dalston Junction
14:10 West Croydon - Norwood Junction (Southern)
13:02 Crystal Palace - Highbury & Islington
14:22 Crystal Palace - New Cross Gate (Southern)
12:42 New Cross - Dalston Junction

Gospel Oak - Barking line
11:39 Gospel Oak - Barking Riverside
11:18 Barking Riverside - Gospel Oak

West Anglia lines
14:40 Liverpool Street - Enfield Town
14:45 Liverpool Street - Cheshunt
15:18 Liverpool Street - Chingford
14:23 Enfield Town - Liverpool Street
14:25 Chingford - Liverpool Street
14:32 Cheshunt - Liverpool Street

Romford - Upminster line
12:41 Romford - Upminster
12:55 Upminster - Romford

Elizabeth line
14:56 Shenfield - Paddington
14:02 Abbey Wood - Heathrow Terminal 5
14:09 Abbey Wood - Reading
14:17 Abbey Wood - Heathrow Terminal 4
14:39 Abbey Wood - Maidenhead
15:14 Abbey Wood - Paddington
15:00 Paddington - Shenfield
15:05 Paddington - Gidea Park
13:54 Reading - Abbey Wood
14:22 Heathrow Terminal 5 - Abbey Wood
14:37 Heathrow Terminal 4 - Abbey Wood
14:52 Heathrow Terminal 5 - Paddington
15:07 Heathrow Terminal 4 - Paddington
14:54 Reading - Paddington

 

[mm333]

You’ll always get those folk that live in caves. Strange breed indeed.

12.45pm: I’ve just given the bad news to a lady at Doncaster station who was trying to get to Nottingham.

Google maps says she can get there in 3½ hours on three buses.

What’s the last passenger train on the network today?

There’s a 1704 arrival into Swansea from Paddington. Well, it’s now starting from Reading.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

What’s the last passenger train on the network today?

There’s a 1704 arrival into Swansea from Paddington. Well, it’s now starting from Reading.

Is the 1608 Scotrail service from Carlisle to Glasgow Central still running today? (Arrives c. 1839).

 

[WizCastro197]

Is the 1608 Scotrail service from Carlisle to Glasgow Central still running today? (Arrives c. 1839).

It appears so according to ScotRail:

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However, the 17:15 is the last one until the 27th of December...

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The winner for the last passenger train in the UK appears to be the 21.35 Belfast Great Victoria Street to Portadown (arriving 22.09).

With England, Scotland and Wales closing earlier than usual the Christmas Eve that seems to be the last UK rail passenger service this year, I can’t find anything later anywhere else.

 

[peteb]

4Z36 Wentloog to Daventry freightliner was the last train through Kidderminster at 1552 today. Double headed 66s, assume as an insurance against breakdown as train due in Daventry 1700. Steam running on the SVR of course from 26th December!

 

[greyman42]

I had a walk into York station at 1500 and there were a few people about looking up at the empty departure board.

 

[EC73LDN]

What’s the last passenger train on the network today?

Possibly the 1839 from Galashiels with an 1842 arrival at Tweedbank, origin 1744 from Edinburgh?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Possibly the 1839 from Galashiels with an 1842 arrival at Tweedbank, origin 1744 from Edinburgh?

Still earlier than the 21.35 Belfast to Portadown!

 

[route101]

Anyone use any services today? Busy?

 

[dk1]

Anyone use any services today? Busy?

As I was walking from my car at Sainsbury’s this lunchtime a Sheringham service was approaching Norwich. It would normally be busy but had no more than a dozen onboard. Lots of do not travel messages on local radio & media.