TfGM Bus franchising

[Stan Drews]

It reads as if they think Go-Ahead are London-based, I don't think they're referencing another group.

So Go-Ahead for at least one large contract, Rotala possibly get something.

The Go Ahead Group head office is in London, according to their website.

Investor contacts

Go-Ahead's investor relations key contacts and advisors

www.go-ahead.com

Contacts​

Head Office

The Go-Ahead Group
4 Matthew Parker Street
Westminster
London
SW1H 9NP

 

[Deerfold]

The Go Ahead Group head office is in London, according to their website.

Investor contacts

Go-Ahead's investor relations key contacts and advisors

www.go-ahead.com

Contacts​

Head Office

The Go-Ahead Group
4 Matthew Parker Street
Westminster
London
SW1H 9NP

Odd for that to be different from their Registered Office, in Newcastle, which they've provided to Companies House. The same address in Newcastle is on the bottom line of every one of the pages of their website.

GO-AHEAD HOLDING LIMITED overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

GO-AHEAD HOLDING LIMITED - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk

 

[Scotrail88]

Was expecting an announcement this morning for stock market opening - maybe delayed??

 

[Goldfish62]

A company's registered office and their corporate head office do not need to be and often are not the same place. The registered office is where all legal documents are directed and stored. The head office is where the principle decisions and running of the company take place.

For example many, usually smaller, companies have their solicitor or accountant as their registered address.

I don't know where the current CEO is based, but David Brown the previous GoAhead Group CEO was firmly London based.

 

[baza585]

Was expecting an announcement this morning for stock market opening - maybe delayed??

Go Ahead no longer quoted so not necessary.

 

[Deerfold]

A company's registered office and their corporate head office do not need to be and often are not the same place. The registered office is where all legal documents are directed and stored. The head office is where the principle decisions and running of the company take place.

For example many, usually smaller, companies have their solicitor or accountant as their registered address.

I don't know where the current CEO is based, but David Brown the previous GoAhead Group CEO was firmly London based.

It's common for small businesses to have their registered office there, but most wouldn't then claim to have a "Head Office". It's less common with large companies as they usually want any important documents to go to their Head Office.

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Go Ahead no longer quoted so not necessary.

Presumably some of the bidders are.

 

[Goldfish62]

It's common for small businesses to have their registered office there, but most wouldn't then claim to have a "Head Office". It's less common with large companies as they usually want any important documents to go to their Head Office.

Yes.

 

[GusB]

The location of Go Aheads's head office is not really relevant. Please stay on topic.

 

[Leyland Bus]

I'm hearing whispers from people within that Stagecoach have lodged an appeal again and the announcement has been delayed...

 

[Goldfish62]

I'm hearing whispers from people within that Stagecoach have lodged an appeal again and the announcement has been delayed...

Clearly as the announcement hasn't been made as planned it's been delayed!

If it's true about Stagecoach they can only object to the award decision. All appeals against the scheme have been long dismissed.

 

[cnjb8]

Does anyone know what the London based group is?

Go-Ahead set for GM bus franchise success

www.passengertransport.co.uk

I'm hearing whispers from people within that Stagecoach have lodged an appeal again and the announcement has been delayed...

Based off that article, it seems Stagecoach haven't done very well!

 

[Goldfish62]

Based off that article, it seems Stagecoach haven't done very well!

Not doing well is of course not a relevant objection. However, contention that the procurement process has not been adhered to correctly or that the award is incorrect both are.

 

[py_megapixel]

Is operators' historical performance taken into account at all?

Stagecoach Manchester doesn't seem to be awful, but it's hardly the epitome of a high-quality bus operation.

 

[Park47515]

It's basically going to be Post Christmas now then isn't it, if anyone has objected?

 

[Leyland Bus]

23rd December now being touted as the announcement date...

 

[Goldfish62]

It's basically going to be Post Christmas now then isn't it, if anyone has objected?

How long's a piece of string? Could be many months if it goes to court. In that case Tranche 2 could be awarded before Tranche 1.

 

[Park47515]

23rd December now being touted as the announcement date...

That seems very close to Christmas for what is a local government body ...

How long's a piece of string? Could be many months if it goes to court. In that case Tranche 2 could be awarded before Tranche 1.

Touché, although I'd be surprised if Tranche 2 wasn't more to said operators liking ...

 

[johncrossley]

Is operators' historical performance taken into account at all?

Stagecoach Manchester doesn't seem to be awful, but it's hardly the epitome of a high-quality bus operation.

I presume they don't take into account historical performance as that would be unfair on new entrants. Performance should be better under franchising if they have TfL-style incentives so deregulated performance is probably not very relevant. Arriva has a very poor reputation outside London but they are not considered particularly worse (or better) than other operators in London.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Not doing well is of course not a relevant objection. However, contention that the procurement process has not been adhered to correctly or that the award is incorrect both are.

Of course (b) is used as the justification when the real issue is (a).

Appeals/challenges are inevitable when any big company loses a procurement round.

 

[Goldfish62]

Of course (b) is used as the justification when the real issue is (a).

Appeals/challenges are inevitable when any big company loses a procurement round.

Indeed. The railway manufacturers have turned it into an art form.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Has a date been set for the appeal to be heard?

 

[Goldfish62]

Has a date been set for the appeal to be heard?

What appeal?

Why the announcement has been delayed is currently a matter of speculation and even if an operator has lodged an objection to the award it doesn't mean that it'll get to court. If the objection is plainly vexatious nonsense and/or incorrect and doesn't need a court to prove that it can be dismissed and the contract award made.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What appeal?

Why the announcement has been delayed is currently a matter of speculation and even if an operator has lodged an objection to the award it doesn't mean that it'll get to court. If the objection is plainly vexatious nonsense and/or incorrect and doesn't need a court to prove that it can be dismissed and the contract award made.

I did not state who it would be who would hear the appeal. All that I asked was the date it would be heard. You can make an appeal to any relevant body.

 

[gledhill56]

I did not state who it would be who would hear the appeal. All that I asked was the date it would be heard. You can make an appeal to any relevant body.

But nobody has said there is actually an appeal, all mere speculation.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

But nobody has said there is actually an appeal, all mere speculation.

If that indeed be the case, why has the awarding body not made a statement of denial fact?

 

[Goldfish62]

You can make an appeal to any relevant body.

No you can't.

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If that indeed be the case, why has the awarding body not made a statement of denial fact?

Because there's nothing to deny. The award announcement was expected on Friday. It wasn't made. That's all we know. It may just be a minor procedural delay. It might be more than that. We don't know.

 

[GusB]

If that indeed be the case, why has the awarding body not made a statement of denial fact?

Nothing has been announced yet. The article from Passenger Transport, as quoted in post #1288 which itself is speculative, said that contract awards were expected to be made on the 16th December, and a later post suggests that it may now be the 23rd.

When there is an announcement the industry press will pick it up and somebody will post here.

 

[Goldfish62]

Nothing has been announced yet. The article from Passenger Transport, as quoted in post #1288 which itself is speculative, said that contract awards were expected to be made on the 16th December, and a later post suggests that it may now be the 23rd.

When there is an announcement the industry press will pick it up and somebody will post here.

I would add that it's very common for pre-published contract award announcement dates to slip for multiple possible reasons.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Considering that this was to be the first bus tranche announcement of the Greater Manchester new system, with all their transport professionalism involvement, you would have thought that they would have moved heaven and earth to have the award information on the promised date.

 

[Goldfish62]

Considering that this was to be the first bus tranche announcement of the Greater Manchester new system, with all their transport professionalism involvement, you would have thought that they would have moved heaven and earth to have the award information on the promised date.

Well yes, there is that. Any delay to such an anticipated announcement of course encourages speculation.