Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

[6Gtraincrew]

"There's 4 Grand Central sets, HD04-HD07"

There is also HD08 too
12215, 12526, 12308, 10305, 11316, 82204

 

[sd0733]

"There's 4 Grand Central sets, HD04-HD07"

There is also HD08 too
12215, 12526, 12308, 10305, 11316, 82204

HD08 is an additional ex-lner set and some of the coaches were originally as spares, its not an ex-Grand Central set.

 

[6Gtraincrew]

HD08 is an additional ex-lner set and some of the coaches were originally as spares, its not an ex-Grand Central set.

Ah sorry, my mistake

 

[tomm]

I think 82200, 82201, 82227, 82230 are the 4 DVTs.

 

[sd0733]

I think 82200, 82201, 82227, 82230 are the 4 DVTs.

Correct

Looks like the set swap this week to and from Holyhead/Crewe isn't happening, both shown as cancelled so presume some issue or other on HD05.
HD01 replaced HD02 yesterday due to a fault but even at that stage that was meant to be temporary so not sure what happened or what the plan is now but looks unlikely it will be out on Monday

 

[tomm]

They are still going to TFW then just a possible slight delay.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Correct

Looks like the set swap this week to and from Holyhead/Crewe isn't happening, both shown as cancelled so presume some issue or other on HD05.
HD01 replaced HD02 yesterday due to a fault but even at that stage that was meant to be temporary so not sure what happened or what the plan is now but looks unlikely it will be out on Monday

I hope there is a VSTP put in for tomorrow, as I'd really like to see it out this week!

 

[py_megapixel]

It's not exactly the same. Doors will go red, the orange stripe will be replaced with a red one, but logos at the end rather than in the middle. Also a red stripe along the top of the carriage I believe. The ex LNER sets will be repainted aswell.

Very minor detail, but I can't help but feel it would be a little neater if there was symmetry in which way round the Welsh and English go - i.e.

Cyntaf | First --------- First | Cyntaf

instead of

Cyntaf | First --------- Cyntaf | First

 

[sd0733]

I hope there is a VSTP put in for tomorrow, as I'd really like to see it out this week!

Definitely won't be one tomorrow. We don't have any spares to prep or drive it on a Sunday.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Definitely won't be one tomorrow. We don't have any spares to prep or drive it on a Sunday.

Makes sense, it is a real shame though. Here's to next week!

 

[tomm]

Is HD05 DVT 82200 one due on Monday

 

[animationmilo]

Are these going to the be the December workings

1:
1V31 0454 Crewe to Cardiff Central
1W55 0849 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V42 1230 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W23 1649 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
5K23 2024 Manchester Piccadilly to Crewe C.S.

2:
1V33 0627 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W57 1052 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V46 1430 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W65 1855 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly

3:
1W13 0536 Swansea to Manchester Piccadilly
1V39 1030 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W61 1449 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V62 1830 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central

4:
1W11 0422 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V37 0830 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W19 1249 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V50 1630 Manchester Piccadilly to Swansea

5:
1V91 0533 Holyhead to Cardiff Central
1W93 1125 Cardiff Central to Holyhead
1V98 1634 Holyhead to Cardiff Central

6:
1W91 0648 Cardiff Central to Holyhead
1V96 1133 Holyhead to Cardiff Central
1W96 1714 Cardiff Central to Holyhead

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Are these going to the be the December workings

1:
1V31 0454 Crewe to Cardiff Central
1W55 0849 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V42 1230 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W23 1649 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
5K23 2024 Manchester Piccadilly to Crewe C.S.

2:
1V33 0627 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W57 1052 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V46 1430 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W65 1855 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly

3:
1W13 0536 Swansea to Manchester Piccadilly
1V39 1030 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W61 1449 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V62 1830 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central

4:
1W11 0422 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V37 0830 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff Central
1W19 1249 Cardiff Central to Manchester Piccadilly
1V50 1630 Manchester Piccadilly to Swansea

5:
1V91 0533 Holyhead to Cardiff Central
1W93 1125 Cardiff Central to Holyhead
1V98 1634 Holyhead to Cardiff Central

6:
1W91 0648 Cardiff Central to Holyhead
1V96 1133 Holyhead to Cardiff Central
1W96 1714 Cardiff Central to Holyhead

I believe it was said that the Holyheads and Manchesters would interwork, so I'd hazard a guess at not quite.

 

[animationmilo]

I believe it was said that the Holyheads and Manchesters would interwork, so I'd hazard a guess at not quite.

Ah makes sense
Maybe the 0533 HHD to CDF would be the 1052 Manchester

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Ah makes sense
Maybe the 0533 HHD to CDF would be the 1052 Manchester

Potentially, however I'd say unless someone can confirm from the internal, we'll have to wait and see what happens!

 

[Fuzzytop]

Someone requested the December diagrams from WDTK. The Mk4s are tucked at the bottom:

CF901
1V91 0533 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W57 1052 Cardiff - Manchester
1V46 1430 Manchester - Cardiff
1W65 1855 Cardiff - Manchester

CF902
Stabled Canton

CF903
1W13 0536 Swansea - Manchester
1V39 1030 Manchester - Cardiff
1W61 1449 Cardiff - Manchester
1V62 1830 Manchester - Cardiff

CF904
1V31 0454 Crewe - Cardiff
1W55 0849 Cardiff - Manchester
1V42 1230 Manchester - Cardiff
1W23 1649 Cardiff - Manchester

CF905
1V33 0626 Manchester - Cardiff
1W93 1125 Cardiff - Holyhead
1V98 1634 Holyhead - Cardiff

CF906
1W91 0648 Cardiff - Holyhead
1V96 1133 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W96 1714 Cardiff - Holyhead

CF907
Stabled Crewe

CF908
Stabled Canton

CH707 booked 175/0 vice Mk4:
1W11 0435 Cardiff - Manchester
1V37 0830 Manchester - Cardiff
1W19 1249 Cardiff - Manchester
1V50 1630 Manchester - Swansea

 

[animationmilo]

Someone requested the December diagrams from WDTK. The Mk4s are tucked at the bottom:

CF901
1V91 0533 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W57 1052 Cardiff - Manchester
1V46 1430 Manchester - Cardiff
1W65 1855 Cardiff - Manchester

CF902
Stabled Canton

CF903
1W13 0536 Swansea - Manchester
1V39 1030 Manchester - Cardiff
1W61 1449 Cardiff - Manchester
1V62 1830 Manchester - Cardiff

CF904
1V31 0454 Crewe - Cardiff
1W55 0849 Cardiff - Manchester
1V42 1230 Manchester - Cardiff
1W23 1649 Cardiff - Manchester

CF905
1V33 0626 Manchester - Cardiff
1W93 1125 Cardiff - Holyhead
1V98 1634 Holyhead - Cardiff

CF906
1W91 0648 Cardiff - Holyhead
1V96 1133 Holyhead - Cardiff
1W96 1714 Cardiff - Holyhead

CF907
Stabled Crewe

CF908
Stabled Canton

CH707 booked 175/0 vice Mk4:
1W11 0435 Cardiff - Manchester
1V37 0830 Manchester - Cardiff
1W19 1249 Cardiff - Manchester
1V50 1630 Manchester - Swansea

Thank you, interesting about CH707 as a 175/0

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Is 67020 still entering service today

 

[sd0733]

Is 67020 still entering service today

No. See post 1565. It never left Crewe on Saturday for some reason

Unfortunately it got merged with another post

 

[Bob Price]

Just watched this mornings run to Hereford leave Crewe - GC coaches, TfW livery 67. Is there any reason they are routing via Wrexham and not through Nantwich, Prees etc? Are they not yet cleared down there?

 

[craigybagel]

Just watched this mornings run to Hereford leave Crewe - GC coaches, TfW livery 67. Is there any reason they are routing via Wrexham and not through Nantwich, Prees etc? Are they not yet cleared down there?

Correct, the work still hasn't taken place.

 

[markymark2000]

Correct, the work still hasn't taken place.

Is this the work which will be taking place 15/16/17th November when Crewe - Shrewsbury is blocked?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Is this the work which will be taking place 15/16/17th November when Crewe - Shrewsbury is blocked?

Yes that is right, confirmed by station staff at Hereford today. Apparently, it is Whitchurch that they're working on, unsure of any other points.

 

[GWVillager]

Yes that is right, confirmed by station staff at Hereford today. Apparently, it is Whitchurch that they're working on, unsure of any other points.

Is this the one where the platforms were apparently scraping trains? I find that hard to believe, if it's true though, what set did it happen to, and how did they deal with repainting?

 

[markymark2000]

Yes that is right, confirmed by station staff at Hereford today. Apparently, it is Whitchurch that they're working on, unsure of any other points.

I did find it a bit strange that the Crewe - Shrewsbury via Nantwich line wasn't cleared for MK4s considering it's the key diversion route when something goes wrong via Wrexham.

 

[Sheridan]

I did find it a bit strange that the Crewe - Shrewsbury via Nantwich line wasn't cleared for MK4s considering it's the key diversion route when something goes wrong via Wrexham.

With only three services a day in each direction*, it was probably thought to be easier to terminate the MkIVs at Chester or Shrewsbury and get passengers on the next DMU service in the event of any prolonged disruption.

*I don’t believe there was a MkIV service before the current one, which started, I think, with one a day before expanding to the current three. Happy to be corrected!

 

[sd0733]

Is this the one where the platforms were apparently scraping trains? I find that hard to believe, if it's true though, what set did it happen to, and how did they deal with repainting?

It had to have replacement parts on the suspension where it caught the platform. Wasn't high enough up the side to anything to the bodyside.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Is this the one where the platforms were apparently scraping trains? I find that hard to believe, if it's true though, what set did it happen to, and how did they deal with repainting?

Correct yes. It happened to HD01, not sure how they dealt with it although I believe it was out of service for a couple of weeks.

I did find it a bit strange that the Crewe - Shrewsbury via Nantwich line wasn't cleared for MK4s considering it's the key diversion route when something goes wrong via Wrexham.

MK4s had never run along the line before TfW brought them in for Manchester, so why would they be cleared? The Mk3 services stopped going via Crewe years ago. Yes it may have been sensible, however they didn't.

With only three services a day in each direction*, it was probably thought to be easier to terminate the MkIVs at Chester or Shrewsbury and get passengers on the next DMU service in the event of any prolonged disruption.

*I don’t believe there was a MkIV service before the current one, which started, I think, with one a day before expanding to the current three. Happy to be corrected!

Correct in the fact there was no Mk4s before the current service.

 

[markymark2000]

MK4s had never run along the line before TfW brought them in for Manchester, so why would they be cleared? The Mk3 services stopped going via Crewe years ago. Yes it may have been sensible, however they didn't.

Since the MK4s came in though for Holyhead-Cardiff, Crewe is a common diversion for these services as the line via Wrexham isn't always the most reliable, especially with weather related incidents, it would be good practise to try and have a diversion route for the MK4s. I was on an MK4 from Cardiff when a tree came down near Gobowen and sadly we had to sit in Shrewsbury for an hour and as passengers, we had to make a toss up between going up to Crewe and trying to get home that way or sit it out hoping it would sort itself. Meanwhile, from the Chester side, a train diverted via Crewe instead and consequently ended up about 5 minutes late at Shrewsbury. We could have diverted and saved a huge amount of delays.

It's simply not very good practise to not have some kind of diversionary route. Drivers and guards have the knowledge, it's just the train which couldn't go that way. I just think that it should have been sorted a while back so that, if it hit the fan, it was an acceptable diversion route if anything went wrong and of course it prepares the line for the Manchester services.

 

[craigybagel]

Drivers and guards have the knowledge, it's just the train which couldn't go that way. .

Cardiff drivers don't sign Crewe - Chester. So unless there happens to be a spare Crewe or Holyhead driver handy, if it's got a Cardiff driver on it can't go via Crewe.