Ah, those were good! The amount of times infrequent travellers stood there, waiting patiently for the door to open. . .Has anyone mentioned the door open buttons on a 142, that were located round the other side of the glass partition to where the door was
Ah, those were good! The amount of times infrequent travellers stood there, waiting patiently for the door to open. . .
Also, on the 195s (or some of them at least!), the signs say "if activated unadvertently"... "unadvertently" isn't a word!I would count as bad design the quirk that, though other trains at home and abroad have red emergency 'communication cords' (whether they be alarms or brakes) labelled with red signage, the signage for the emergency alarms on the IETs is ... green.
Lost in translation from Spanish, perhaps?Also, on the 195s (or some of them at least!), the stickers say "if activated unadvertently"...
"unadvertently" isn't a word!
I would count as bad design the quirk that, though other trains at home and abroad have red emergency 'communication cords' (whether they be alarms or brakes) labelled with red signage, the signage for the emergency alarms on the IETs is ... green.
I had a notion that there was a standardised approach to this now, but the PRM TSI only covers call-for-aid panels, and the LOC&PAS TSI doesn't cover it at all.Does the IET have a green alarm and a red emergency brake? Some CAF stock does, and that is a common European approach.
Most UK stock tends to have a red passcom and green door release, I thought 80x were the same.
Very well remembered! Your reply actually gave me the giggles, because I recall years ago thinking ‘how bloody daft is that!’Has anyone mentioned the door open buttons on a 142, that were located round the other side of the glass partition to where the door was
Do fire regulations apply to rolling stock, or just premises?Under UK fire regs green is for door release red is for emergency alarm
There needs to be more grap rails/posts in the standing area across the carriage width between doors on opposite sides of the coaches. I was recently stood in that area on a very overcrowded train, and every time the train started (or stopped), the acceleration (or braking) was enough to throw me into the surrounding passengers because there was nowhere to grab hold.What do you mean by 'enough'? There is a grab rail in each door pillar. I hold onto them several times per week.
Ah, right. So a 'standee' issue rather than a boarding and alighting one. I see where you're coming from.There needs to be more grap rails/posts in the standing area across the carriage width between doors on opposite sides of the coaches. I was recently stood in that area on a very overcrowded train, and every time the train started (or stopped), the acceleration (or braking) was enough to throw me into the surrounding passengers because there was nowhere to grab hold.
There seem to be quite a lot of these poorly-placed buttons around the network... it's odd that designers never seem to learn from that particular mistake.The toilet door button on IETs being placed right next to the exit doors - seen plenty of people pressing the wrong one at a station
Yes, the Scotrail 158s seats around a bay of 4 are close together! I think it's same now in the 156s too.I don’t get this fixation with fixed armest against train walls - the 158, 159 and IET being particularly irritating examples (unless your lucky enough to find a “broken” one where someone has forced it upwards). But the worst and most uncomfortable offender I’ve found at this by far is the seated coaches in the CAF Mk5s on the Caledonian Sleeper. Covered in thin moquette and fixed, coupled with the rather annoying footrest, made for an uncomfortable nights sleep recently.
However, one for the bizarre design choices - the small briefcase / newspaper rack between the seat and the walls on the ScotRail 170s. Why?
Speaking of Scotland - referencing my earlier post about the terrible seat spacing on the Corkerhill 158s…
Don't get me started on the integrated soap dispenser/tap/hand dryer. One false move and you end up blowing soap and water all over you! (Or so I am told anyway of course....)I always found them quite effective (and I have terrible hand/eye coordination)
Has anyone mentioned the door open buttons on a 142, that were located round the other side of the glass partition to where the door was
Fortunately the only over-carry I saw was Garforth to East Garforth.Saw many missed stops from those, even where I shouted to them.
I disagree about the overhead racks in 444 units. They are some of the best on the network for the job they're designed for. The glass tray means that accidentally leaving things there is less likely. Their size is perfect for normal aircraft style "cabin bags". To encourage the placing of anything larger up there poses a danger to all passengers. SWT/SWR have never got their heads around the dual customer base of those units - commuting during the working week and families for leisure at weekends. And they can be very busy at weekends, especially in the summer as they carry large numbers to/from the coast. The answer is obvious - remove some fixed seating at the saloon ends and put in flip-up seats.Yes, the Scotrail 158s seats around a bay of 4 are close together! I think it's same now in the 156s too.
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SWR class 444s have a lack of luggage space and over head racks are too small.
Would assume both as the red green rules apply to vehicles and are designed to be intuitive.Do fire regulations apply to rolling stock, or just premises?
Merseytravel Pacer...I've said it before and I'll say it again - any train carriage where there are more seats facing in one direction than the other.
Seriously - who in their right mind thought that was a good idea !
People wanting to fit more seats in.I've said it before and I'll say it again - any train carriage where there are more seats facing in one direction than the other.
Seriously - who in their right mind thought that was a good idea !
Merseytravel Pacer...
People wanting to fit more seats in.
If you're talking 125mph end vehicles, it was a requirement at one stage for safety reasons.
Can anyone, really?I think the conclusion is that I can't be doing with Voyagers.
Fair point really.Can anyone, really?