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Trivia: unwritten etiquette as a railway passenger

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Depends if someone is blocking a seat with their bag or not. I'll go out of my way to sit where that bag was, even if there are 20 other spare seats, to make a point.
If I am travelling on a train I always have my bag on the adjacent seat if there are a lot of spare seats available, then as the train starts to fill up with more passengers I then remove my bag from the seat. If I encountered someone like yourself who insisted on sitting next to me just because I had my bag on the seat, to make a point I would simply leave my seat and sit in another unoccupied seat.
 
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You get charged for that number.
If there is no guard on train and BTP can’t reach you straight away
Get off at next station where someone can help you hopefully.

Really? What the hell!

I think that’s a reference to 61016 not being “free” like 999 (because the government hasn’t elected to make it free), but you won’t necessarily get charged for it, depending on your operator/contract.

At most it’s a few pence, yet that was enough to see accusations of profiteering and conspiracy theories galore being advanced on on a recent thread!
 

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If you’re on a train with reservations, and it’s a busy train, wait at least a few minutes before taking a reserved seat - if you really need to
I tend to wait until the train has departed before sitting down, but don't get myself comfortable for a few minutes.
If the train has a long dwell at a station, and it’s a cold day, close the doors
This! I was on a train at Three Bridges that was held to wait for an attaching portion quite late on a winters evening. Some chap decided he had enough time for a cigarette but to make sure he wouldn't miss the train kept the doors open the whole time. The wind was absolutely freezing.
I can assure you that the vast majority are bone idle.
Having seen larger backs stacked in racks rather precariously, and some.even fall out, they may not be idle but rather concerned about damaging their items. Electrostsr racks always seemed tiny in particular
 

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The reserved seat thing can be most annoying. On the one hand, I've frequently given up my reserved seat when I've found someone elderly, or with children, already sitting there- I have no problem with that being as I'm able bodied and can easily stand in the vestibule for the duration if I have to, but I can remember one occasion when Mr S & I boarded a train at Reading (on our way back to Penrith) where the couple sitting in our reserved seats were not in any way impaired and were extremely rude when we pointed out the seats were reserved. They weren't in the least apologetic or furtive about it and when they did eventually move, they did so with a great deal of tutting and eye rolling. Everyone in the vicinity gave us a round of applause when they finally left the carriage.
 

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Having seen larger backs stacked in racks rather precariously, and some.even fall out, they may not be idle but rather concerned about damaging their items. Electrostsr racks always seemed tiny in particular

*Stars, Voyagers and 175/180 do have pointless little racks, but everything else doesn't, and on the likes of 80x, Desiros and the CAF stock they're massive.
 

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There is another social etiquette that so far as I can see hasn't yet been addressed, and that is tolerating other people and understanding that they may have habits that may not be something we are used to or understand. Taking one example, women (or indeed anyone) putting on make-up. Its very easy to say "well they should get up earlier", but is it really that simple? In reality they may have got up late, had trouble getting the kids ready, had an argument with a partner, or even they may have been travelling / working overnight. Sometimes what some might think are habits that make them irritable or annoyed, may actually be intolerance or misunderstanding on their own part.

We are odd creatures, and often have odd habits. If they are not causing harm, disruption or creating a nuisance, is there really a problem? Live and let live is sometimes the best policy, though I do understand that some people may not be as adept at reading people or dealing with other people as others.
 

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Based on a previous personal experience where I saw someone else do this; don't try and show off to your mates by climbing on to intermodal wagons while the train's doing a driver swap at the station. Not only do you put yourself at risk of falling on to the tracks between/beside the wagon, but you'll get a proper earful from the driver(s) if they catch you. Doesn't take a lot of common sense to realise that 1500 tonnes of train isn't going to have any issue driving over you if you've fallen underneath it.
 

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I've experienced this on a bus rather than a train, but equally applicable:

Don't attempt to convert your fellow passengers to your religion by preaching loudly throughout the journey.
 

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Based on a previous personal experience where I saw someone else do this; don't try and show off to your mates by climbing on to intermodal wagons while the train's doing a driver swap at the station. Not only do you put yourself at risk of falling on to the tracks between/beside the wagon, but you'll get a proper earful from the driver(s) if they catch you. Doesn't take a lot of common sense to realise that 1500 tonnes of train isn't going to have any issue driving over you if you've fallen underneath it.
Quite. If the driver doesn't see you he certainly isn't going to notice as twenty wagons of his train run over you. And your own mother probably won't recognise you afterwards.
 

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If you do have a seat reservation, before trying to eject another passenger from their seat (with the display working and showing 'available', make sure you are travelling on the right day, in the right train, in the right coach and you're at the right seat.
 

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One exception to the acceptance of bags on seats thing is don’t put a wheeled suitcase on the seat next to you (or any other seat, for the avoidance of misunderstanding). This is as bad as putting your dirty shoes on the seat.
 

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If you do have a seat reservation, before trying to eject another passenger from their seat (with the display working and showing 'available', make sure you are travelling on the right day, in the right train, in the right coach and you're at the right seat.

If someone asks me to move, I ask to see their reservation.

Not once has it actually been for the seat I was sitting in.
 

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If someone asks me to move, I ask to see their reservation.

Not once has it actually been for the seat I was sitting in.
Once had someone on a busy train out of Euston trying to claim that I was sat in their reserved seat. Whilst it was indeed for the right carriage and the exact same seat, the main problem was that their reservation was for the train that had departed some 20 minutes earlier! :rolleyes:
 

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I've experienced this on a bus rather than a train, but equally applicable:

Don't attempt to convert your fellow passengers to your religion by preaching loudly throughout the journey.
Out of curiosity, was the bus experience in Manchester, along the Oxford Road corridor?
 

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If someone asks me to move, I ask to see their reservation.

Not once has it actually been for the seat I was sitting in.

Almost identical to me, except for once when I definitely tried blagging it and failed.

One railway etiquette thing I'd like to bring up is people smoking by station entrances. It really should be encouraged to be done elsewhere, but my local station has big ashtray things both sides of the door. Hardly a welcome approach, but then my local station isn't really all that clued up sometimes :rolleyes:
 

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Almost identical to me, except for once when I definitely tried blagging it and failed.
One railway etiquette thing I'd like to bring up is people smoking by station entrances. It really should be encouraged to be done elsewhere, but my local station has big ashtray things both sides of the door. Hardly a welcome approach, but then my local station isn't really all that clued up sometimes :rolleyes:
Yes Redhill has this large problem with the back entrance as that is where the car park is for short stays so naturally everyone crowds around the driver depot and this abdnoned office block just smoking/vaping Etc.


Main car park my mum has always told me is for longer stays but I can’t be sure completely



Yes I went from Leicester to London st Pancras and apparently the train left late at Sheffield so a couple sat in our reserved seats. Didn’t care didn’t move. Guard couldn’t be asked to do nothing so I had to sit in the unreserved part.


Not happy. Train arrived late anyway so I got some money back.

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Once had someone on a busy train out of Euston trying to claim that I was sat in their reserved seat. Whilst it was indeed for the right carriage and the exact same seat, the main problem was that their reservation was for the train that had departed some 20 minutes earlier! :rolleyes:
See above
 

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In an extreme example on a Köln-Hamburg train in Germany a disagreement between two middle-aged passengers over who had the reservation for a seat ended with the one that was standing, a small and tubby gentleman, becoming more and more excited and finally trying to lift the other passenger, a larger and well built gentleman who had remained calm, out of the seat. It didn’t last long as one of the on-train staff came along, checked the reservations and told the small gentleman that he had the right seat, right coach, right train, but wrong date. The small gentleman then flounced off. The train was busy, but there were free seats.
 

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Agreed, especially staff!

Yes! This absolutely grinds my gears, they should know better. Vaping is no better, despite the ignorants' claims that it is.

On a related note, etiquette should also include not leaving those disposable vaping devices anywhere and everywhere. I can think of sensible places to put them (back on the shelves in the factories, from which they should have never left, and in the bin if one really must use the infernal things) and less sensible places. I'll not say where they would get directed, but the fool would certainly notice <D
 

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No, it was in Birmingham about 30 years ago.
Ah! When I was a bus driver in Manchester a few years ago, there was a lady who regularly used to do this! She was actually very polite to the drivers but she drove the students mad with her preaching. I thought it was great when she got on the bus because the regular passengers used to dive off and catch the following service, resulting in me having a free-running journey!!!
 

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We don't know the person's circumstances. Perhaps they can't manage to get their bag or case into the overhead racks, or are worried they won't be able to get it down again. If the luggage racks are full what are they supposed to do?
The sorts of bags that people usually put on seats are generally the small variety that can go under the seat if necessary, though.
 

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The sorts of bags that people usually put on seats are generally the small variety that can go under the seat if necessary, though.
Not on the 1652 Euston-Birmingham via Northampton on Fridays, when people are going away for the weekend.
 

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And if they don't move their bag?

Not on the 1652 Euston-Birmingham via Northampton on Fridays, when people are going away for the weekend.
Why would you need a massive suitcase if you're only going away for the weekend? Just take your normal day sack and chuck in a pair of socks and pants and a toothbrush!

Unless you're appearing on stage at Las Vegas why does anyone need a massive suitcase containing half a dozen costume changes?
 

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Why would you need a massive suitcase if you're only going away for the weekend? Just take your normal day sack and chuck in a pair of socks and pants and a toothbrush!

Unless you're appearing on stage at Las Vegas why does anyone need a massive suitcase containing half a dozen costume changes?
Written by a true bloke. My OH never travels without at least three alternate outfits....
 

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Why would you need a massive suitcase if you're only going away for the weekend? Just take your normal day sack and chuck in a pair of socks and pants and a toothbrush!

Unless you're appearing on stage at Las Vegas why does anyone need a massive suitcase containing half a dozen costume changes?
Hockey goalkeepers bags and trains don't go together!! In fact, the former and cars don't either, never managed to et his kit into my i10!!
 

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Just one word… sniffing <(. Constantly and loudly without any consideration for how gross it sounds to other people. Just recently there seems to be one in every carriage, usually a couple of rows from me.<(
Absolutely. Been on several trains in the last few days and nearly every time someone in the carriage is sniffling continuously.

Main issue is they might have covid or similar as hay fever etc not really around at this time of year. Am sure most of the sniffling is germ related at the moment. ( I know not all will be )

Firstly, how selfish to get on a train when you have an infectious disease. Secondly, why don't you at least blow your nose.
 

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Why would you need a massive suitcase if you're only going away for the weekend? Just take your normal day sack and chuck in a pair of socks and pants and a toothbrush!

Unless you're appearing on stage at Las Vegas why does anyone need a massive suitcase containing half a dozen costume changes?
Written by a true bloke. My OH never travels without at least three alternate outfits....
Hockey goalkeepers bags and trains don't go together!! In fact, the former and cars don't either, never managed to et his kit into my i10!!

Can depend on temperament -- I'm male, and not a participant in sports involving copious paraphernalia; and have been an object of ridicule lifelong to my family and friends, for being seemingly unable to go off for even the shortest spell away from home, without taking with me everything but the proverbial kitchen sink.
 
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