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Is the use of cash dying out?

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So you are saying that "most people" in major urban areas in England are not honest? That seems remarkably sweeping and unjustified.

Please don't put words into my mouth, but there are certainly a very large number of casually dishonest people in our urban areas, yes. Certainly the majority wouldn't bat an eyelid at using the "free train" from MKC to Wolverton or Bletchley, for example, nor at paying a builder in cash to avoid VAT. And it's not a big step up from that to nick cash put out for the milkman or indeed the milk itself!
 
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There are things which don't immediately come to mind when considering this, what about milkmen who pick up cash from the step?
Funnily enough mum's milkman stopped taking cash last year. I had one hell of a job setting up an account, mainly because mum couldn't remember any of her memorable words/names etc. for her bank card. She doesn't do much in the way of online transactions.

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Two teenage girls on my train this morning asked the guard politely for day returns to Filton Abbey Wood with railcards, and had the exact money ready. Rather surprisingly the guard didn’t say “you can’t use a railcard on the train” or “why didn’t you buy at the ticket office “ but “you can’t pay with cash on the train, you will have to buy your ticket when you get there”.
Do GWR guards seriously not take cash any more? TfW and Northern definitely still do. See my earlier post. My mate would have lost over half his takings if he had refused cash.
 
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So you are saying that "most people" in major urban areas in England are not honest? That seems remarkably sweeping and unjustified.

FWIW, I paid the milkman using cash on the step (in an urban area) for many years without any problem. I only stopped when they went card-payment-only a couple of years ago.
I have to say that even in the 1980s where I lived in Yorkshire it wasn't common practice to leave money on the step for the milkman. I remember our milkman used to come round on a Friday evening to collect the money. My mum kept it in a pot by the back door. If we were going to be out, we'd leave the money with the neighbour to pass on to him. Given that my mum was happy to leave a house key hidden in the garden(!) I imagine this was just 'how things were done' rather than being worried about thieves!
 

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Given that my mum was happy to leave a house key hidden in the garden(!) I imagine this was just 'how things were done' rather than being worried about thieves!

I think more people would nick a few quid of cash or a bottle of milk than would burgle a house. And you'd have to know where it was hidden, though people who put it under the doormat might as well leave the door wide open.
 

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Two teenage girls on my train this morning asked the guard politely for day returns to Filton Abbey Wood with railcards, and had the exact money ready. Rather surprisingly the guard didn’t say “you can’t use a railcard on the train” or “why didn’t you buy at the ticket office “ but “you can’t pay with cash on the train, you will have to buy your ticket when you get there”.
Does anyone know if this is correct or is it another example of staff making up their own rules?

As for cash, I very rarely use it nowadays but it would be a sad day if we do become totally cash free, I guess I can't have it both ways?
 

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Please don't put words into my mouth, but there are certainly a very large number of casually dishonest people in our urban areas, yes.
Gus B said:
"Perhaps I'm being extremely naive in assuming that most people are generally quite honest ..."

To which you replied:
"that probably is largely true in rural areas but to a fairly significant extent is not true in the major urban areas, at least in England."

The corollary of the two phrases in bold is that "most people" in major urban areas in England are not honest. So your words, not mine.
 

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Gus B said:
"Perhaps I'm being extremely naive in assuming that most people are generally quite honest ..."

To which you replied:
"that probably is largely true in rural areas but to a fairly significant extent is not true in the major urban areas, at least in England."

The corollary of the two phrases in bold is that "most people" in major urban areas in England are not honest. So your words, not mine.

I'm having a discussion on a forum, not constructing Boolean logic, and misses "to a fairly significant extent".
 

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For the first time in years I made a cash purchase because the vendor didn't accept cards. This was at the Dean Forest Railway's Diesel gala beer tent. The ticket office and cafeteria had prominent 'cards preferred' notices though.
I don't know about that location but there are still large areas of the forest without a signal. The permanent venues would presumably use landline connections.

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I'm unsure if anybody has mentioned this in this particular thread, but if the use of cash payments were to eventually become no more, what would happen with individuals who would seek the services of escorts or working girls?

After all, using a card payment which could have something like "Miss Dominatrix's Dungeons" or "Curvy Escorts" would remove all notions of being discreet for both parties.
That was a plot line in a TV ,cop show years ago. They find that the restaurant the suspect supposedly visited wasn't serving meals.
 
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Down here in sleepy Cornwall we have 'honesty boxes' for payment for eggs, fruit and veg, flowers and plants, even the odd car park. One of the fruit and veg ones is run by a farmer and his wife, seven days a week til early evening. Yes, there is dishonesty and even downright criminality occasionally, but any 'locals' involved get found out and ostracised.
 

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For car parks Ringgo is much better than cash once you've set up the app. You don't need change for the machine and you can add extra time without having to go back to the car. Also for the council it stops generous drivers passing on their partly used ticket to others as they leave.*

*Definitely didn't receive a ticket in this way in a Scottish car park *and* give it to a third car on our way out.
 

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Certainly the majority wouldn't bat an eyelid ...at paying a builder in cash to avoid VAT. And it's not a big step up from that to nick cash put out for the milkman or indeed the milk itself!
I will pay any tradesman in cash if he offers me a reduced price. It is not criminal on my part - I pay him what he asks and his tax affairs are of no concern to me.

But I wouldn't nick cash put out for the milkman or steal anything else from anywhere else for that matter.
 

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I will pay any tradesman in cash if he offers me a reduced price. It is not criminal on my part - I pay him what he asks and his tax affairs are of no concern to me.

It's not, but it's pretty obvious why the discount is being offered, so it's at least morally up their with the likes of Starbucks. Certainly "aiding and abetting" even if that's not a specific offence in that situation.

It's a rather higher-value version of tipping a fare dodger off as to which unit the guard is in...
 

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It's a rather higher-value version of tipping a fare dodger off as to which unit the guard is in...
On that - I spoke to the guard at a station to ask him to come and sell me a ticket a few months ago (knowing that as there were purchasing facilities, I was just late, I could have been fined) and he beckoned at me to get on the wrong unit (and didn't come through) - I did buy a ticket as I thought that might not have gone down well with the guard on the next train!
 

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It's not, but it's pretty obvious why the discount is being offered, so it's at least morally up their with the likes of Starbucks. Certainly "aiding and abetting" even if that's not a specific offence in that situation.

It's a rather higher-value version of tipping a fare dodger off as to which unit the guard is in...
Sorry but I disagree. It is indeed obvious why a lower price is being offered but I am aiding and abetting nothing. It is entirely up to the tradesman what price he quotes and what he does with the payment. it is of absolutely no concern to me. There is nothing morally wrong with a customer negotiating a lower price. In fact he would be stupid not to do so wherever possible. The notion that the customer has a moral responsibility to ensure the trader pays whatever tax is due is quite novel. Amazon, so I believe, pays very little in the way of tax relative to its turnover and profit. Should I suggest their prices are too low and offer to pay them more than they ask in an effort to ensure they pay their "fair share"?

But the real issue I have here is your equation of that with petty theft. Negotiating a lower price for a service is not dishonest. Nicking money left out for the milkman most certainly is.
 

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Agreeing a lower price when you know full well that it can only realistically be delivered by breaking the law IS in my view immoral.

A properly negotiated lower price comes with a proper receipt and can be paid by methods other than cash if you choose. If it doesn't, you know full well what is going on.
 

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We were at John O'Groats a couple of weeks ago.

Pay and Display car park with the machines only taking cash and charging £3 to park all day. No cash on me, so used the app and paid £2.30 (inclusive of the "convenience fee".

Toilets were supposed to be £0.50 to enter, but in reality you could just turn the turnstile without any cash going in the box.

So, no need for cash there and you'll actually spend more than you need to if you use it!

I think the last time I needed cash was on "Le Petit Train" in Jersey which surprised me and my parents (in their 70s).
 

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Two teenage girls on my train this morning asked the guard politely for day returns to Filton Abbey Wood with railcards, and had the exact money ready. Rather surprisingly the guard didn’t say “you can’t use a railcard on the train” or “why didn’t you buy at the ticket office “ but “you can’t pay with cash on the train, you will have to buy your ticket when you get there”.

sounds to me as if the guard had not taken any cash on the day and couldn't be bothered to pay it in.
 

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I will pay any tradesman in cash if he offers me a reduced price. It is not criminal on my part - I pay him what he asks and his tax affairs are of no concern to me.
I would offer to pay cash for work of a few hundred quid, which in Milton Keynes is basically getting your grass cut, but not for proper jobs that need a receipt or guarantee.
It's not, but it's pretty obvious why the discount is being offered,
That is very cynical - they might just like me ;)
 

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mobile reception is patchy.
If someone was able to make a BACS payment on their phone then mobile reception is clearly good enough for a card machine.
I used cash a lot in Germany and Bosnia over the summer, Germany of course still surprisingly being more of a cash country (I made the mistake of asking to pay for drinks with my card in a kniepe!).
Interestingly, I've just come back from Berlin and whilst yes it was a hell of a lot more cash focused than the UK is, I was surprised how many places did take card (after being told by people who had been there how cash based it was). Even managed to end up in a couple of places that were either card only or card preferred. Now granted that is Berlin so probably has had a lot of international influence which has caused that shift.
 

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Interestingly, I've just come back from Berlin and whilst yes it was a hell of a lot more cash focused than the UK is, I was surprised how many places did take card (after being told by people who had been there how cash based it was). Even managed to end up in a couple of places that were either card only or card preferred. Now granted that is Berlin so probably has had a lot of international influence which has caused that shift.

I wouldn't be surprised if COVID had caused a shift. It did here, and Germany has been far more COVID cautious than us, for instance they're still wearing masks (and decent spec ones too, not flimsy bits of pointless fabric) on trains.
 

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I know someone who went on a weekend break somewhere up North, they were shocked as some venues like pubs were card only (they use cash). I'm sure they said the chippy was too or something like that.
Anyone know of any 'Card only' establishments?
I should see him tomorrow so will find out more. I think it was Harrowgate of all places, but I need to check.
 

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I was in my local shopping centre today. Two cash points removed final two have a charge to take cash out. This isn’t going to help retail sales
 

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I know someone who went on a weekend break somewhere up North, they were shocked as some venues like pubs were card only (they use cash). I'm sure they said the chippy was too or something like that.
Anyone know of any 'Card only' establishments?
I should see him tomorrow so will find out more. I think it was Harrowgate of all places, but I need to check.
There is a card only supermarket in Amsterdam I used. Burger King is card only.
 

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I know someone who went on a weekend break somewhere up North, they were shocked as some venues like pubs were card only (they use cash). I'm sure they said the chippy was too or something like that.
Anyone know of any 'Card only' establishments?
I should see him tomorrow so will find out more. I think it was Harrowgate of all places, but I need to check.
Our local ladies' hairdresser is "Card Only" (whilst my local barber is "Cash Only")
And a local non-league football club has "Card Only" payment for the tea-hut! :rolleyes:
 

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Burger King is card only.
After about ten minutes trying to order a single cup of tea from BK's screen (every time it insisted on charging me for two) I went to the counter where the guy indicated he'd be happy to not only process it at the till, but also took cash, even giving change!
 

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Interestingly, I've just come back from Berlin and whilst yes it was a hell of a lot more cash focused than the UK is, I was surprised how many places did take card
Was in Berlin last week and the only time I needed cash was for a luggage locker at Hbf. Finally a use for a dusty old €20 note I've had for years...straight into the change machine.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if COVID had caused a shift. It did here, and Germany has been far more COVID cautious than us, for instance they're still wearing masks (and decent spec ones too, not flimsy bits of pointless fabric) on trains.


On my visit to Trier recently, most places wanted cash when I asked them. The bratwurst from a bakery window, the pub I went to, as well as the restaurant I went to.
I went to a Burger King just for a milkshake, and paid in cash.
 
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