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Trivia: unwritten etiquette as a railway passenger

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One of my pet hates is people moaning about crying children. If the parent is ignoring them, different story, but when they are trying to pacify them and, you know, parent, leave them alone! From my work with children and schools there are so many parents in a financial position whereby they cannot afford a car and have to use the train, if they have to take their child on a peak train to collect siblings from school, make an appointment, suck it up! Kids cry. You did it, I did it.

As a dad and grandad I can assure every childless traveller that the adult with the crying baby absolutely doesn't want it to cry either! Sometimes, they just cry, and every parental trick in the book doesn't seem to work. We're deeply conscious too that others might find it difficult to deal with as well, but escape from the confines of home and travel to family/friends/holiday is part of normal life that everyone is entitled too.

Exactly these above. Parents/guardians don't want to have the baby cry, but cry they will and sometimes there is nothing on God's Earth that you can apparently do to stop them. All babies do it at some point - it's not the fault of the baby or parent - and crying is meant to be discomforting for adults so they pay the child attention (to feed/to care/etc)!

If it's such a problem (even if you're in the quiet coach), I would suggest moving carriage, changing trains, or using a car/taxi where this is not likely to be an issue... Letting your (older) kids run riot round a carriage is another matter entirely.

(I've had to have a pop at a bus driver before on a local village service who had a go at mother of two because of her crying baby : who also almost left without me when I was helping her off the bus with the pram as she was so flustered and trying to sort the little one out...)
 
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If someone intends to use their phone for a long period of time, move to the vestibule to do so. Also, refrain from discussing sensitive business matters whilst travelling.

Recently I was on the northbound LNER Inverness service when a woman boarded at Darlington. Immediately, she got on her phone and remained so continuously until Falkirk Grahamston where she got off - a journey in excess of 2.5 hours. Evidently the outfit she worked for was in difficulty and by the time she disappeared at Falkirk I and others in the carriage knew all about its problems, even down to financial figures and performance. Had anyone been minded to use the information exposed, the company might have found itself in even further doo. I am almost sure that a guy across the aisle from her was taking copious notes.
 

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If someone intends to use their phone for a long period of time, move to the vestibule to do so. Also, refrain from discussing sensitive business matters whilst travelling.

Recently I was on the northbound LNER Inverness service when a woman boarded at Darlington. Immediately, she got on her phone and remained so continuously until Falkirk Grahamston where she got off - a journey in excess of 2.5 hours. Evidently the outfit she worked for was in difficulty and by the time she disappeared at Falkirk I and others in the carriage knew all about its problems, even down to financial figures and performance. Had anyone been minded to use the information exposed, the company might have found itself in even further doo. I am almost sure that a guy across the aisle from her was taking copious notes.
Potentially notifiable to the Information Commissioner under GDPR?
 

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Just one word… sniffing <(. Constantly and loudly without any consideration for how gross it sounds to other people. Just recently there seems to be one in every carriage, usually a couple of rows from me.<(
 

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If someone intends to use their phone for a long period of time, move to the vestibule to do so. Also, refrain from discussing sensitive business matters whilst travelling.

Recently I was on the northbound LNER Inverness service when a woman boarded at Darlington. Immediately, she got on her phone and remained so continuously until Falkirk Grahamston where she got off - a journey in excess of 2.5 hours. Evidently the outfit she worked for was in difficulty and by the time she disappeared at Falkirk I and others in the carriage knew all about its problems, even down to financial figures and performance. Had anyone been minded to use the information exposed, the company might have found itself in even further doo. I am almost sure that a guy across the aisle from her was taking copious notes.
I used to catch the train from Euston to Harrow and Wealdstone in the morning. There is a Crown Court adjacent to Wealdstone station, and the trains would often have lawyers on coming from central London offices with reams of paperwork... it was very common to overhear them on the phone talking about the detailed minutiae of the cases.

My favourite was "he's guilty as sin, but we are getting him off under section xxx"
 

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Just one word… sniffing <(. Constantly and loudly without any consideration for how gross it sounds to other people. Just recently there seems to be one in every carriage, usually a couple of rows from me.<(
I can understand but what about hayfever sufferers though?
 

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When the train pulls into the station, don't just stand there hammering the "door open" button from the moment it comes to a halt - wait until the door chime begins and the buttons flash, and the doors are unlocked.
Nearly everyone does it at my local station, and it really irritates me (although I must admit that most things in the world irritate me).
What is the harm in pressing the button before it lights up. Saves as much as 200mS

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Quite, crying and screaming babies and noisy children on trains shouldn’t be so socially acceptable imo. But it seems these days, anything goes. :'(
They eem to be equally acceptable in concert halls, theatres and cinemas.
It save the cost of a baby sitter

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Do that on the tube and, based on my practical observations, you will get a whack back in the face.

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It is rather fun to undo one of the straps and reclose around ne of the upright poles.

I know some one whose trailing rugsac strap got caught in the door. when he got on. Since he got on on the right side at at an island platform he had to go many stops before he could release it

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Banning the eating of:
McDonalds
Burger King
TacoBell
Kebabs
Fish & Chips
Pukka/Hollands Pies
Doughnuts
Popcorn
Crisps
Chocolate
Haribos
Chicken Chow Mein
Vindaloo
Hot Dogs
Pizza

Drinking of:
Beer
Lager
Cider
Wine
Milk Shakes
Various fruit flavoured Gin/Vodka can drinks

All of the above and the associated aromas and waste can be found on every Merseyrail unit after 7pm on a Saturday evening…
A hip flask of whisky is Ok is it?
 
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I once saw a lad with a large rucksack getting out of one of the older German coaches: the type with folding doors and a handle that pointed up. He managed to catch his rucksack on the handle so that he was left dangling with his toes just touching the platform. He had to undo the strap around his waist and let himself down to the platform before lifting the rucksack off. He didn’t get any help, possibly because of the continuous stream of US obscenities that he let fly.
 

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There is no legal requirement to provide a quiet coach, and because they set unreasonable and unenforceable expectations, you make a good point in bold.
It's not unenforceable, just unenforced.

I am not sure what is especially unreasonable about a small section of the train being dedicated as a quiet area. Nobody is forcing you to sit there!
 

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It's not unenforceable, just unenforced.

I am not sure what is especially unreasonable about a small section of the train being dedicated as a quiet area. Nobody is forcing you to sit there!
Well it’s not enforceable as there is no Bylaw protecting it, nor is it in the conditions of carriage.
 

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Yesterday there was one other pax in first-class TPE and he spent the whole of the Stalybridge - Manchester yelling, and I mean yelling, into his phone. I left the carriage and could still hear him half-way down standard. No matter first or standard, is that breaking a by-law...if not it should be. Think if he had been in the busy standard he might have refrained shouting, or others take it upon themselves to quieten him.
 

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Well it’s not enforceable as there is no Bylaw protecting it, nor is it in the conditions of carriage.
No, but there's a catch-all about using equipment which produces sound "to the annoyance of any person" - and if in the quiet coach it will almost certainly be to the annoyance of the passengers who have chosen to be there. (I appreciate that of the two issues raised here, this only covers antisocial phone/tablet use and not crying children, but honestly I think that's fine - the former is far more common after all).
 

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I once saw a lad with a large rucksack getting out of one of the older German coaches: the type with folding doors and a handle that pointed up. He managed to catch his rucksack on the handle so that he was left dangling with his toes just touching the platform. He had to undo the strap around his waist and let himself down to the platform before lifting the rucksack off. He didn’t get any help, possibly because of the continuous stream of US obscenities that he let fly.

I remember a particularly hideously warm day a few summers ago, when I was changing from the DLR to District Line at Bank / Monument. The up escalator wasn’t working, much to the chagrin of all of us trying to head up to the District Line. Upon arrival at the summit of the escalator (suitably dripping with sweat), there was a bloke around 20 years old or so, desperately trying to extricate his massive rucksack’s strap from the teeth at the top of the escalator. He was popular, suffice to say..
 

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Well it’s not enforceable as there is no Bylaw protecting it, nor is it in the conditions of carriage.
Byelaw 6(8) could be applied in a very broad manner. Behaviour merely needs to 'molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience' of another person to be illegal. I daresay you could prosecute half the train on your typical Friday night vomit comet...
 

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Well it’s not enforceable as there is no Bylaw protecting it, nor is it in the conditions of carriage.

Actually there are two Byelaws that can be used, the one about playing devices out loud and the one about interfering with comfort. The latter is the one used by Merseyrail for feet on seats so has quite wide applicability.
 

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Was on a WMR this afternoon across the aisle from a young lass, leaning against the window with her feet all over the seats. I wish there was a website for shaming these people. To compound the annoyance the guard came through and checked her ticket, and she still had one foot on the seat and he didn't say a word.
 

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Was on a WMR this afternoon across the aisle from a young lass, leaning against the window with her feet all over the seats. I wish there was a website for shaming these people. To compound the annoyance the guard came through and checked her ticket, and she still had one foot on the seat and he didn't say a word.
Did you ask her to move her feet? To be completely fair in the times we live in, I wouldn't have. I would've wished I did, but young people these days are really rude and antisocial. So much so ir is actually scary...
 

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Did you ask her to move her feet? To be completely fair in the times we live in, I wouldn't have. I would've wished I did, but young people these days are really rude and antisocial. So much so ir is actually scary...
No I didn't, and for the same reason. I did glare at her, and even got a surreptitious photo (which I'm sure is highly illegal), but she had her earphones in and was oblivious to the world.
 

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Nice to be able to agree on something, I have a bugbear on this. If someone wants a particular type of seat, then turn up early. Good old first-come-first-serve. I find it extremely rude when people turn up at the last minute and expect others to move to accommodate their desires.

I wouldn’t say commuters are the worst for this though. On the contrary it’s the self-entitled family types who travel on a weekend. There is no specific reason why a family should need to, nor expect, a bay of seats if they are all already taken, especially when there are plenty elsewhere on the train and they expect the first one they come to or can’t be bothered to walk.

Had something like this on my holiday. Managed to get on the Cambrian train at International by the skin of my teeth and also gotten an optimal seat (rear-facing right hand window at a table - reversal at Shrewsbury would mean good views of the coast beyond Machynlleth.)

Heavens open as we make our way up the coast and a vast number get on at Fairbourne, including a large family. Member of said family, in his early-mid 20s, sits in in opposite aisle and immediately asks (in Scouse accent) if he can swap seats. I tell him that's not possible. Other members of said family offer him their windows, but his response is "No, I want his seat." Fortunately he didn't press the issue and they got off at Barmouth (along with most of the Fairbourne lot for an equally large Barmouth contingent.)

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but something I find irritating is when (admittedly not often these days!) you're sitting on an almost empty train and someone joining the train sits right opposite/behind/in front of you. I'm probably being petty but it always feels like a space invasion to me (and I usually move elsewhere).

Two for the price of one here - on my way back from watching Chelsea in the Champions League one time (1-1 draw at home to Schalke), in a near-deserted train about to depart Waterloo, a woman sits directly opposite me and starts tucking into Burger King.

Nothing wrong with crisps/chocolate (I like to tuck into those after a football match on my way home) but please don't eat a boiled egg and baked bean vindaloo on the train (Or less than 24 hours before boarding a train come to think of it.)

If you're going to give your child electronic entertainment, please remember headphones exist for a reason. Nobody else should have to listen to the same old songs over and over again - even the KGB didn't go that far.

Babies should not be allowed in first class without a top hat and a monocle. At least make an effort.
 

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Not just sniffing, but coughing and sneezing too, in all cases with no attempt whatsoever to ameliorate; Have these people never heard of hankies or tissues?
A few years ago I found myself sitting next to such a person on my daily journey into Paddington. I very politely asked him if he could please use a handkerchief and he VERY impolitely told me to 'Foxtrot Oscar'. :{
 

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Actually, I love it when people do that! Hours of innocent (not to mention free) entertainment... :)

Indeed. I have previously mentioned travelling in the vestibule of a Eurostar and thoroughly enjoying listening to a French woman discussing her complicated love-life on the ‘phone. I think she thought that as I was reading an English book I wouldn’t understand colloquial French. She was wrong.
 

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Much as it’s a pet hate of mine too, has anyone ever actually been prosecuted/issued a fixed penalty for doing this?!
I doubt it. I'm into double figures for booting them off trains for refusing to comply though! :lol:
 
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