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Austria is a strange one,

It’s not mandatory to wear a mask outside of healthcare settings unless you are in the capital city, where it is mandatory to wear them in pharmacies and, of course, on public transport.

This is in force until 23rd October (I’d love to hear how “the science” suggested this date to them)

I am visiting France, Germany and Austria later this week. I was really hoping they would drop masking requirements when I booked earlier this year, and am really disappointed! Tempted to take a day trip to Slovakia or Czechia when in Austria to avoid the FFP2 mandate.
 
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I am now back from Norway/Sweden and it was all very relaxed with virtually no masks being worn. The tiny number of masked people were almost certainly foreign tourists.

There was virtually no signage; I did spot an out of date sign on a ferry which mentioned masks but as a general rule they are far ahead of us in terms of removing outdated or misleading signage.

There really is no need to visit countries like Germany, Italy, Spain right now. The Governments in those countries do not want tourists nor do they deserve our custom. They are not exactly the friendliest places to visit anyway, so it's no major loss to avoid them.


Austria is a strange one,

It’s not mandatory to wear a mask outside of healthcare settings unless you are in the capital city, where it is mandatory to wear them in pharmacies and, of course, on public transport.

This is in force until 23rd October (I’d love to hear how “the science” suggested this date to them)
You can get away with it according to reports from others.

I don't think there is a legal requirement in Vienna; it's just their equivalent of Sadiq Khan/TfL on a power trip, isn't it?
I am visiting France, Germany and Austria later this week. I was really hoping they would drop masking requirements when I booked earlier this year, and am really disappointed!
Germany is definitely a place to avoid.

Tempted to take a day trip to Slovakia or Czechia when in Austria to avoid the FFP2 mandate.
Definitely do that; these are nice places to visit and there is less authoritarianism. I'd also escape to Czechia from Germany if you possibly can, depending on what you've got booked already and whereabouts in Germany you are staying. I definitely want to visit Czechia and Slovakia again next year.
 

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We are going to Spain in October, to be honest I wasn't fussed about Spain given their obsession with masks etc but my partner and stepdaughter hearts were set on it, however I have no intention of going back again until they ditch their Covid rules
 

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Austria is a strange one,

It’s not mandatory to wear a mask outside of healthcare settings unless you are in the capital city, where it is mandatory to wear them in pharmacies and, of course, on public transport.

This is in force until 23rd October (I’d love to hear how “the science” suggested this date to them)

I am visiting France, Germany and Austria later this week. I was really hoping they would drop masking requirements when I booked earlier this year, and am really disappointed! Tempted to take a day trip to Slovakia or Czechia when in Austria to avoid the FFP2 mandate.
Compliance in Vienna is definitely well below 100% on trains so wouldn't worry about it. Totally ignored on any intercity trains that pass through. To be honest it's totally pointless.
 

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Germany has today decided to extend Surgical/FFP2 mask wearing on public transport until at least the 7th April 2023, and other measures such as testing/vaccination (the latter has a three-month limit) can be introduced to access certain indoor areas mask-free from the 1st of October. Federal states can also implement further measures such as capacity restrictions at events and social distancing measures in public areas if 'the capacity of the healthcare system is threatened'

Replying again to your post from 3rd August. What I really can't understand is why the German government has already decided that mandatory mask wearing on public transport must continue until at least 7th April. That's a lengthy EIGHT MONTHS away(from 3rd August) until it can be possibly scrapped!! Why has this nonsense GOT to remain in place for at least another 8 months yet???!! Do they know that there will DEFINITELY be a huge Covid wave ahead that will last until at least 7th April??!! Why can it not instead be reviewed on a monthly basis? There might be another Covid wave ahead, but it may well be just a small wave that lasts a few weeks or so before peaking and declining! Either way though, it's high time Germany scrapped that mandatory face mask nonsense now anyway!!!
 

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We are going to Spain in October, to be honest I wasn't fussed about Spain given their obsession with masks etc but my partner and stepdaughter hearts were set on it, however I have no intention of going back again until they ditch their Covid rules
If your partner and stepdaughter’s hearts were set on it, I really wouldn’t cut off your nose to spite your face. It’s only on public transport. In Catalonia, at least, it is rarely enforced (no idea what the rest of Spain is like).
 

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Replying again to your post from 3rd August. What I really can't understand is why the German government has already decided that mandatory mask wearing on public transport must continue until at least 7th April. That's a lengthy EIGHT MONTHS away(from 3rd August) until it can be possibly scrapped!! Why has this nonsense GOT to remain in place for at least another 8 months yet???!! Do they know that there will DEFINITELY be a huge Covid wave ahead that will last until at least 7th April??!! Why can it not instead be reviewed on a monthly basis? There might be another Covid wave ahead, but it may well be just a small wave that lasts a few weeks or so before peaking and declining! Either way though, it's high time Germany scrapped that mandatory face mask nonsense now anyway!!!
I've noticed mask compliance is slipping, it's still quite high but on some trains it wasn't close to 100% particularly S-Bahn around Berlin. Hopefully Germans will start taking matters into their own hands and politicians won't have a choice. I know they tend to be a compliant bunch but surely everyone has their limit?
 

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If your partner and stepdaughter’s hearts were set on it, I really wouldn’t cut off your nose to spite your face. It’s only on public transport. In Catalonia, at least, it is rarely enforced (no idea what the rest of Spain is like).
We are going to Salou, public transport is still one setting too many for me, and there's all the nonsense about entery from certain countries meaning you have to be triple jabbed or take tests, which is a political thing and nothing to do with controlling a virus
 

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I'm off to Italy next weekend. What are the current rules? Will I need to be masked on the plane there? (Ryanair). And will I need to buy FFP2 masks for public transport?
 

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I'm off to Italy next weekend. What are the current rules? Will I need to be masked on the plane there? (Ryanair). And will I need to buy FFP2 masks for public transport?
Unfortunately still an FFP2 mandate on all public transport :|

However, bizarrely, aircraft are now no longer subject to the mandate. Figure that one out...

Whether Ryanair have updated their policy, I could not say. But as you will be needing an FFP2 mask either way, I suppose you'll have one in case they are still (unnecessarily) requiring them.
 

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Unfortunately still an FFP2 mandate on all public transport :|

However, bizarrely, aircraft are now no longer subject to the mandate. Figure that one out...

Whether Ryanair have updated their policy, I could not say. But as you will be needing an FFP2 mask either way, I suppose you'll have one in case they are still (unnecessarily) requiring them.

Oh good to know about planes, and I'll only be using minimal trains so that's not too bad.

Presumably outdoor crowds/events are fine without masks? (I'll be at the F1 race all weekend)
 

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Thanks for the answers on Austria. I was exempt in the UK, I assume I would be in Austria too, but I wanted to know if I needed to be prepared to explain that one in broken German! From the sounds of things though in theory I could be challenged on not wearing a mask in Vienna it seems unlikely that I would be.
 
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Thanks for the answers on Austria. I was exempt in the UK, I assume I would be in Austria too, but I wanted to know if I needed to be prepared to explain that one in broken German! From the sounds of things though in theory I could be challenged on not wearing a mask in Vienna it seems unlikely that I would be.
You would need a doctors letter to be exempt. Otherwise (as is unfortunetly the case in my role on the railways in germany) you will be told to leave. It gets even more insane when shops require it as they do not have to allow a maskless person entry even with a doctors attest.

On another note had quite an masky Metronom gaurd yesterday telling people to put a mask on whilst chewing or between sips. I tend to go for the lighter approach and only really chuck people out if they really take the biscuit as the decision whether there are masks on public transport or not is out of my hands.
 

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On another note had quite an masky Metronom gaurd yesterday telling people to put a mask on whilst chewing or between sips. I tend to go for the lighter approach and only really chuck people out if they really take the biscuit as the decision whether there are masks on public transport or not is out of my hands.

Given the level of obvious lunacy these control freaks are demonstrating, I don't think there's anything to fear from 'Covid,' when evidently the mind-altering prions of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease are by now well-established and doing their work in their rotting brains.
 

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It is bizarre how the German authorities insist on people wearing beaks on trains while at the same time, with their EUR 9 ticket, encouraging people to cram closely together into poorly-ventilated regional trains.

They really are completely clueless.
 

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It is bizarre how the German authorities insist on people wearing beaks on trains while at the same time, with their EUR 9 ticket, encouraging people to cram closely together into poorly-ventilated regional trains.

They really are completely clueless.
Ah, but you know what they'll say to that - "it's fine, because they all have to wear FFP2 masks!"...
 

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It is bizarre how the German authorities insist on people wearing beaks on trains while at the same time, with their EUR 9 ticket, encouraging people to cram closely together into poorly-ventilated regional trains.

They really are completely clueless.
Don't forget the waste generated from all these masks when they're trying to encourage people to be more environmentally aware.
 

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I'm not sure if anybody here fancied a holiday to China, but someone has written this account on the Every Passport Stamp Facebook group. It sounds like a right faff...

PASSPORT: I have a US passport and Grenada passport. With a Grenada passport, I can enter China visa-free for 30 days (it is one of the only kinds of passports in the world with visa-free access to China!)

ENTRY POLICY OF CHINA: Tourist visas or non-essential business/student visas are not issued, but those with a visa-free passport (ex. Grenada passport) can enter as a tourist. Land borders are closed to foreigners except the HK/Macau ones.

GREEN HEALTH CODE: If you fly to China, you need a Green Health Code from your local Chinese embassy (unless you fly from HK/Macau which are considered as a part of China). Getting a green health code is extremely hard and they always find reasons to refuse it. So after attempting to fly to China from the USA, I eventually gave up and decided to do the HK route.

ATTEMPT 1: USA - China (Failed):
I did 2 PCR tests at designated labs, costing me hundreds of dollars, and applied for a green health code. My health code was refused just 3 hours before my flight for 3 reasons: 1) I had covid before and need to follow a special procedure for ex-covid passengers; 2) I failed prove that I am a US resident (yes, you can only apply from your country of residence); 3) the CDC vaccination card isn't acceptable and I need to provide more official proof such as a stamped paper from the pharmacy or health department... So I cancelled my refundable plane ticket and booked a new one after 2 weeks of "Self-quarantine" as required for ex-covid passengers...

ATTEMPT 2: USA - China (Failed):
This time I completed the procedure for those who had covid before (2 extra PCR tests and 2 week self-quarantine) and showed my US driver's license as my proof of residency in the US (even though I am also a US citizen, I don't want to show my US passport or it will nearly for sure be denied). Then 5 hours before the flight, the Chinese consulate called me and asked why I wanted to travel to China. I explained my situation with the bank account and she said nope and asked me to travel there after covid is over... I argued that I did not need a visa to travel as a tourist, but the officer said yes I could enter China as a tourist, but I could not get a green health code to fly to China as a tourist! After the call, my green health code account was locked by the consulate so I couldn't even apply again...
So I decided to try the HK route which might allow me to enter China without a green code!

ATTEMPT 3: US-HK- Shenzhen by land (Failed):
This time I traveled to HK, quarantined there for 3 days in a designated hotel (the day before I arrived, HK shortened the quarantine to 3 days!) I headed over to the land border, but the guard in HK refused me to continue to proceed because I have no reservation for quarantine in Shenzhen!

ATTEMPT 4: HK- Beijing by Plane (Success!):
A green health code is not required when you travel from HK, since HK is a part of China. But I still had to take the PCR test at the designated labs in HK. However, I need 2 PCR tests; 1 of them needs to be done in the city and another 1 is done at the airport.
At check-in, I showed 2 PCR tests in PDFs and the custom declaration form. Because I had no Chinese visa, there was some significant delay. They had to call lots of people and someone who might be a Chinese official based in HK came to me and asked the purpose of my trip. I showed him lots of documents, including my vaccination and onward ticket. He eventually let me board the plane.

ARRIVAL IN BEIJING:
The arrival process took about 2 hours. First I was taken to the health declaration desk and the officer asked me lots of questions about what I have done over the past 3 week, followed by a very painful PCR test. The immigration officer first was a bit confused that I had no visa but then figured out that I don't need one; she asked me some questions about what I do and what my plan in China is and let me in. Later on, everyone is taken to a random quarantine hotel for a 10-day quarantine. Those who have a home in Beijing can spend the last 3 days at home. My quarantine hotel is a nice one, and it costs $90 a day including 3 light meals (not enough for me haha). Food delivery isn't allowed but I could pay more for some more delicious food. They took my Visa credit card which is nice, because many small hotels in China don't accept it.

TRAVELING AROUND BEIJING:
After quarantine, my Beijing Health Code turned green. Beijing has probably the world's strictest covid measure. There is no lockdown since there is no case, but everyone needs a PCR test to enter anywhere (bus/subway/taxi/shops/restaurants/hotel/office...) They check it by looking or scanning your green code which has test information on it. So you pretty much need a test every other day (since it is valid for 72 hours but takes some time for results to come up), unless you just stay inside of your hotel. Test centers can be found everywhere especially near the city center and are free of charge to everyone, even foreign visitors! Temperature is also checked everywhere and I think they are required to call the police if you are over 37 or something. Also if you go to a pharmacy and ask for cold or allergy medicine, you might also be sent to hospital, so be careful.
There is stricter security right now in Beijing, especially if you go to the city center. When the police or hotel checked my passport and asked for my visa, I showed them the visa policy on immigration's website that I am visa-free. Also, you need to make a reservation to travel to almost all tourist attractions. You don't rarely see any foreigners anymore, unless you go to the Sanlitun region which still has many foreigners. People are overall nice to foreigners and I haven't had any issues.

LEAVING CHINA:
Leaving China is not restricted for foreigners. No PCR test is required except the regular one you have to do anyway to enter the airport terminal. When I left, the officer asked a few questions like where I went and how was my trip and I am free to go! Also Macau is now open to foreigners who are currently in China with visa-free passports, so I could also go to Macau and then return for another 30 days of visa-free visit.
 

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I'm not sure if anybody here fancied a holiday to China, but someone has written this account on the Every Passport Stamp Facebook group. It sounds like a right faff...
I agree, I wasn't planning on going to China but certainly wouldn't bother while they have all this nonsense going on
 

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I agree, I wasn't planning on going to China but certainly wouldn't bother while they have all this nonsense going on
Some places have gone so far down the Covid rabbit hole that it's going to very difficult to adopt reverse gear.
 

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China's government seems completely paranoid, that's for sure.

Hard to know what their game is, to be honest. For all their faults I thought their government was relatively pragmatic and cared about the economy.

But perhaps because China has a near-monopoly on manufacturing many goods their government feel they can indulge their authoritarian fantasies and get away with it.
 

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China's government seems completely paranoid, that's for sure.

Hard to know what their game is, to be honest. For all their faults I thought their government was relatively pragmatic and cared about the economy.

But perhaps because China has a near-monopoly on manufacturing many goods their government feel they can indulge their authoritarian fantasies and get away with it.
The problem for the Chinese government is that they cannot even hint that they got it wrong or did not know what they were doing in the first place.
 

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Crazy, with +20m people going into lockdown.

Will the Chinese Government ever admit they are wrong…? There is only so much they can do to hold the reins until the country collapses due to finance challenges or the people of China wake up and overturn the Government.
 

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Crazy, with +20m people going into lockdown.

Will the Chinese Government ever admit they are wrong…? There is only so much they can do to hold the reins until the country collapses due to finance challenges or the people of China wake up and overturn the Government.

The problem is that now they all have digital IDs, the government can do a mass "turn off" of peoples' passes meaning they cannot travel, shop, etc or sometimes even leave their compounds.
 

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The problem is that now they all have digital IDs, the government can do a mass "turn off" of peoples' passes meaning they cannot travel, shop, etc or sometimes even leave their compounds.

What a chilling prospect. Hard to imagine.
 

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What a chilling prospect. Hard to imagine.
Yet plenty of people, including some on here, advocate a compulsory digital ID in the UK. A favourite line is "if youv'e nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about".

If China is mentioned such people wouild probably say "it couldn't happen here", but of course back in early 2020 when China introduced covid lockdowns the intial line was "lockdowns could never happen in a Western democracy".
 

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It really is frightening, what is going on there.

Regime change in China would perhaps be the best thing that could happen to the world right now.
 
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