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As I work with young people myself, they are not all violent and anti social, they're a mixed bag in the same way adukts and old people are, I've met some disrespectful pensioners and adults, it's not a "youth thing" it's a people thing.
Some older generations seem to forget that the next generations are a result of themselves and how they brought them up. And just look at the things that got brushed under the carpet back in their day.
Some older generations seem to forget that the next generations are a result of themselves and how they brought them up. And just look at the things that got brushed under the carpet back in their day.
Really having respect beaten into you, ''being seen and not heard'' was and still is the way kids should be to many older generations. Some will always automatically believe the adult over the child, and how did the authority figures, Priests, Care homes and Children's entertainers get away so easily? It's no wonder some have grown up into difficult adults and into parents who struggle.
The first part of that statement is nonsense. The vast majority of people understand they need to pay their fare and respond very badly to anybody who doesn’t. The only sympathy kicks in when the railway itself is unfair and does things like tell you your ticket is completely invalid because you were shafted by a late bus and missed your train by 2 mins.
Was it woke when the dock workers in several cities used to tell the conductors not to bother trying in days gone by?
Sad to see this incident. Merseyrail is a good system at its best for an outside London system. Idiots like this have always existed and I fully agree with the sentiment that we should have more visible law enforcement to tackle ASB, whether yobs of the young or middle aged category.
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Bring back national service!
These damn young people drink less, take less drugs and have the cheek to use the mountain of social media etc we have force fed them to make some dollar and keep them quiet whilst we have both their parents going out to work and hideously expensive childcare. How they have the time to care about unimportant woke things like the future of the planet they have been left by us, I don’t know. Just burn more oil you little s****.
Most young people are a delight considering what they are getting thrown at them and they are always a product of the generation above them. I suspect the ratio of violent, badly behaved nonsense is fairly evenly distributed amongst age groups so let’s lay off the young and work out how we improve the rather uncertain future they face on a number of fronts.
It is the behaviour of society as a whole that we should look at, because behaviours of individual groups are complex and interlinked to all sorts of factors.
As a regular user of Formby in the past, very sad to see this threatening behaviour. Sad to say I think it is not atypical across the country, seems to flare up relatively regularly and if it wasn’t for the video cam here probably wouldn’t be getting the attention.
The old call of "bring back national service" is often heard. But I question if that is the solution.
The young are not afraid of or compliant with the police. If you tried to draft these people into the forces they would be telling the drill sergeant where to go. They would not be intimidated nor would they be compliant. Back in the 40s to early 60s youth had respect for authority.
Besides drafting cheapens the jobs of those who choose the armed services as a career.
I prefer to know that our service men and women are there because they want to be there and should they be called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice they will.
What needs to be brought back is corporal punishment. A good birching would soon whip these youths into shape.
I see your point with the more high profile cases. I was thinking of everyday things such as the behaviour of some people in city centres on a weekend. The police appear to just stand back and watch. Back in the eighties the same behaviour would of seen you arrested and thrown into the back of a police van with a court experience and a meaningful fine to follow.
I see your point with the more high profile cases. I was thinking of everyday things such as the behaviour of some people in city centres on a weekend. The police appear to just stand back and watch. Back in the eighties the same behaviour would of seen you arrested and thrown into the back of a police van with a court experience and a meaningful fine to follow.
I think you need to go back further than the 80s. I was a special constable in the mid 80s and did many shifts with regulars. There was, even back then, a general attitude to try to avoid arresting anyone except for the most serious of things, in fact, there was a generally lazy attitude throughout, i.e. we'd drive past kids vandalising bus shelters etc., avoid going into the "bad" estates. What the regulars did love was a good fight - if there was a report of a fight or we saw something looking to kick off, the place would be flooded with police who usually made things worse but seemed to enjoy them. Funny how there'd be a dozen or so police attend a fight but everyone was "busy" when there was a call to a burglary! There was definitely a worsening of attitudes during the few years I did it, and it's what caused me to give it up.
The old call of "bring back national service" is often heard. But I question if that is the solution.
The young are not afraid of or compliant with the police. If you tried to draft these people into the forces they would be telling the drill sergeant where to go. They would not be intimidated nor would they be compliant. Back in the 40s to early 60s youth had respect for authority.
Besides drafting cheapens the jobs of those who choose the armed services as a career.
I prefer to know that our service men and women are there because they want to be there and should they be called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice they will.
What needs to be brought back is corporal punishment. A good birching would soon whip these youths into shape.
Why did borstals and approved schools exist if the youth were so well behaved in the past?
I would be astonished if the proportion of youth who act badly is radically different to in the past. Do you have any evidence to support this? It might be reported more and shared more because of phones and CCTV, but it certainly isn't a new phenomenon.
Why did borstals and approved schools exist if the youth were so well behaved in the past?
I would be astonished if the proportion of youth who act badly is radically different to in the past. Do you have any evidence to support this? It might be reported more and shared more because of phones and CCTV, but it certainly isn't a new phenomenon.
Borstals and Approved schools were also a good idea. Yes there were problems in the past but there is generally a greater perception of unruly behaviour in some areas and there is certainly an increase in vandalism and graffiti.
People can share info easier but the problem is worse.
But "facts" aren't the same either, due to the reclassification and different recording of offences etc., so it's impossible to compare things like today's crime rates against those of 30/40 years ago. There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics!
Perception is based on fact. It is quite clear vandalism and poor behaviour in some places is worse now than in the past.
I have reached 62 and I know I have seen an increase in vandalism in my lifetime.
I can't honestly recall seeing graffitied trains on BR when I did a lot of railroving 1978 -80. Now you do. Heritage railways didn't suffer vandalism attacks back then.
Perception is based on fact. It is quite clear vandalism and poor behaviour in some places is worse now than in the past.
I have reached 62 and I know I have seen an increase in vandalism in my lifetime.
I can't honestly recall seeing graffitied trains on BR when I did a lot of railroving 1978 -80. Now you do. Heritage railways didn't suffer vandalism attacks back then.
I'm going to have to disagree with you. Perception is based on information which is in the public domain (which isn't always "fact"). e.g. Perception can be based on untruths or lies.
Agree, I worked solo at a station in what seems to be a decent area & the ASB the past year before I left was out of control on the line especially at my station. BTP or local police when I or other stations requested help it rarely turned up.
Nearly four years on the railway following a bad assault on myself by 6 ranging 12 years to 18 years last Summer & most well known to the police it is now 7 months on with the incident captured on cctv yet nothing.
I have tracked down personally 3 of them & passed intel to BTP yet zero has happened other than ‘lip service’ & since I lodged a complaint to BTP there has been no further response.
Once I was assaulted I immediately left giving up my livelihood.
I sincerely hope the Formby incident gets the attention by police it deserves but unfortunately I have my doubts.
Agree, I worked solo at a station in what seems to be a decent area & the ASB the past year before I left was out of control on the line especially at my station. BTP or local police when I or other stations requested help it rarely turned up.
Nearly four years on the railway following a bad assault on myself by 6 ranging 12 years to 18 years last Summer & most well known to the police it is now 7 months on with the incident captured on cctv yet nothing.
I have tracked down personally 3 of them & passed intel to BTP yet zero has happened other than ‘lip service’ & since I lodged a complaint to BTP there has been no further response.
Once I was assaulted I immediately left giving up my livelihood.
I sincerely hope the Formby incident gets the attention by police it deserves but unfortunately I have my doubts.
Perception is based on fact. It is quite clear vandalism and poor behaviour in some places is worse now than in the past.
I have reached 62 and I know I have seen an increase in vandalism in my lifetime.
I can't honestly recall seeing graffitied trains on BR when I did a lot of railroving 1978 -80. Now you do. Heritage railways didn't suffer vandalism attacks back then.
I agree about graffiti, but that became a big thing in the early 80s with the easy availability of aerosol paint, but it isn't obviously any worse now than it was 30 years ago.
My experience of vandalism is there is a lot less, there used to be far more smashed phone boxes and bus shelters and that sort of thing. The Jam were singing about it 40 years ago so it's not a new phenomenon, there were public service films about it in the 70s too. I imagine it is worse in different parts of the country so depends where you live, all of this is subjective.
I think that nobody on the railway network should work solo & when incidents start to accrue with enough proof/evidence BTP (or local police in the case of street, shop workers, transport/public workers) it should be stamped on but as we know it’s too much hassle & doesn't fit budgets.....a bitter & twisted view I know.
Although I have known assaults take place on the railway where there were several staff on duty but when you are isolated on your own there is nobody to help out & even the travelling public shuffle away as they don’t want to get involved & I'm not blaming them.
As an ‘old git’ talking I’m sure ‘back in the day’ that wouldn’t have happened but maybe that’s my rose tinted glasses.
The ASB or just being a nuisance, holding up trains for their mates, lighting a fag in the carriage can be bad between Huddersfield and Manchester, they aren't youngsters in the evening but Real Ale louts and are about 40 - 70 years old, one couldn't hold on and weed himself nothing to do with an illness just too drunk to handle himself.
The ASB or just being a nuisance, holding up trains for their mates, lighting a fag in the carriage can be bad between Huddersfield and Manchester, they aren't youngsters in the evening but Real Ale louts and are about 40 - 70 years old, one couldn't hold on and weed himself nothing to do with an illness just too drunk to handle himself.
Yes but like you tell a kid ''go before we leave'' I mean they wouldn't have long left the pub. I'd thought a 50 year old would know that regardless how much they had. I bet the recollection of the chaffing will remind him to do so in future if the embarrassment hasn't already.
Yes but like you tell a kid ''go before we leave'' I mean they wouldn't have long left the pub. I'd thought a 50 year old would know that regardless how much they had. I bet the recollection of the chaffing will remind him to do so in future if the embarrassment hasn't already.
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