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Hopefully coming out of lockdown BTP and revenue will be coming back stronger.
I spoke too a couple of rpi’s on the tube at the main Kings X gateline the other Sat evening around 10pm (which I was suprised to see) and he was telling me they are the only team on the underground increasing in numbers at the moment think he said they had recruited an additional 35 RPI’s
It is pretty depressing watching the masses of kids barging the wide gates at the moment
The railway needs a proactive police force that would help solve the problems, unfortunately the present btp are next to useless as they are invisible.
When you see them they just show their face and go back into the office to hide, it's a shame things are getting so bad but it's systematic of the society we live in unfortunately.
More like the BTP are just grossly understaffed and under-resourced - this is partly due to TOCs though which fund a significant chunk of the BTP budget. When they are actually available they can be quite effective.
"Woke" seems to be the present day trendy insult used by those who don't like their opinions and world view challenged, and don't want to consider the person challenging their opinions might actually have a valid point, because it would set off the cognitive dissonance alarm.
I saw this on the news and I felt so sorry for him. It’s terrifying to be outside nowadays. I am going into lockdown for the next two weeks as the ‘youths’ are on Easter holidays and it’s too dangerous to be out as disabled person.
If a person of authority can be ganged up on like that what hope have I got!
The UK is unfortunately so woke these days that anybody who doesn’t wish to pay train fares or respect law can do what they want not just on the trains but in society as a whole .
Police are so understaffed and unmotivated it’s comical due to Theresa Mays huge cuts a few years ago. The streets are replaced by poorly trained/payed private security who have absolute zero power and everyone knows it apart from detached government ministers
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination' that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for left-wing ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.
As a kid growing up in the late 80s / 90s sure I got up to a bit of mischief now and again but always had respect for the authorities which seems long gone, I suspect social media is to blame for a lot of it sadly
Interesting you jump straight to social media as the root cause. A lot of ASB and a adolescents generally being ****** comes down to parenting and discipline (or lack thereof). Coupled with schools being more scared than ever to enforce discipline (especially at early ages) you get a generation growing up with the worst respect for authority we’ve ever seen. They might organise themselves using SM, but at that point the damage has already been done.
Interesting you jump straight to social media as the root cause. A lot of ASB and a adolescents generally being ****** comes down to parenting and discipline (or lack thereof). Coupled with schools being more scared than ever to enforce discipline (especially at early ages) you get a generation growing up with the worst respect for authority we’ve ever seen. They might organise themselves using SM, but at that point the damage has already been done.
More like the BTP are just grossly understaffed and under-resourced - this is partly due to TOCs though which fund a significant chunk of the BTP budget. When they are actually available they can be quite effective.
Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination' that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for left-wing ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.
I saw this on the news and I felt so sorry for him. It’s terrifying to be outside nowadays. I am going into lockdown for the next two weeks as the ‘youths’ are on Easter holidays and it’s too dangerous to be out as disabled person.
If a person of authority can be ganged up on like that what hope have I got!
Unless you live in one of the worst gangland places in the UK, the perception is far worse than reality, and the chance of you personally getting attacked is very low. Much of the violent crime is warring families or gangs engaged in drug related activities. Living your life in fear, fueled by media projection/hysteria, is a life not worth living. The UK is overall a safe country.
Unless you live in one of the worst gangland places in the UK, the perception is far worse than reality, and the chance of you personally getting attacked is very low. Much of the violent crime is warring families or gangs engaged in drug related activities. Living your life in fear, fueled by media projection/hysteria, is a life not worth living. The UK is overall a safe country.
I can’t drive a car as I am disabled, so can’t comment on how safe I feel driving my car. But even before I became disabled last year I didn’t drive after being in a coma from being knocked down by careless driver when I was a child.
Merseyside Police have been working in conjunction with BTP over the Formby incident. Local press last night reported that several of the gang, male and female, have now been identified and will be visited in the near future.
Sadly quite likely, as some people will be quick to say that if they get punished it will ruin their future. It was a moment of madness, totally out of character etc etc.
Assuming they've no record, they may well get let off with some sort of suspended sentence - and I'd bet some of them have no record because despite all the anti social behaviour they've almost certainly been involved in previously, the police are so keen to turn a blind eye to it that it just emboldens people to push the boundaries that bit further until they're doing stuff like this.
The UK is unfortunately so woke these days that anybody who doesn’t wish to pay train fares or respect law can do what they want not just on the trains but in society as a whole .
Police are so understaffed and unmotivated it’s comical due to Theresa Mays huge cuts a few years ago. The streets are replaced by poorly trained/payed private security who have absolute zero power and everyone knows it apart from detached government ministers
The first part of that statement is nonsense. The vast majority of people understand they need to pay their fare and respond very badly to anybody who doesn’t. The only sympathy kicks in when the railway itself is unfair and does things like tell you your ticket is completely invalid because you were shafted by a late bus and missed your train by 2 mins.
Was it woke when the dock workers in several cities used to tell the conductors not to bother trying in days gone by?
Sad to see this incident. Merseyrail is a good system at its best for an outside London system. Idiots like this have always existed and I fully agree with the sentiment that we should have more visible law enforcement to tackle ASB, whether yobs of the young or middle aged category.
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These damn young people drink less, take less drugs and have the cheek to use the mountain of social media etc we have force fed them to make some dollar and keep them quiet whilst we have both their parents going out to work and hideously expensive childcare. How they have the time to care about unimportant woke things like the future of the planet they have been left by us, I don’t know. Just burn more oil you little s****.
Most young people are a delight considering what they are getting thrown at them and they are always a product of the generation above them. I suspect the ratio of violent, badly behaved nonsense is fairly evenly distributed amongst age groups so let’s lay off the young and work out how we improve the rather uncertain future they face on a number of fronts.
It is the behaviour of society as a whole that we should look at, because behaviours of individual groups are complex and interlinked to all sorts of factors.
As a regular user of Formby in the past, very sad to see this threatening behaviour. Sad to say I think it is not atypical across the country, seems to flare up relatively regularly and if it wasn’t for the video cam here probably wouldn’t be getting the attention.
Merseyside Police have been working in conjunction with BTP over the Formby incident. Local press last night reported that several of the gang, male and female, have now been identified and will be visited in the near future.
I rather like the fact that the Liverpool Echo are reporting the Sefton Plolice say
"Several of the youths involved, male and female, have now been identified. These individuals should expect to receive a visit from us in the near future. Should they wish to avoid the disruption of us at their family's front (and back) doors, they can hand themselves in at the enquiry office of any of our police stations. If of course, we haven't visited first.
A possible veiled threat to come early in the morning and disturb the parents and maybe knock the door in
Of course some of the little darlings will not know if they are the ones that have been identified and will be wondering if they should hand them selves in.
The first part of that statement is nonsense. The vast majority of people understand they need to pay their fare and respond very badly to anybody who doesn’t. The only sympathy kicks in when the railway itself is unfair and does things like tell you your ticket is completely invalid because you were shafted by a late bus and missed your train by 2 mins.
Was it woke when the dock workers in several cities used to tell the conductors not to bother trying in days gone by?
Sad to see this incident. Merseyrail is a good system at its best for an outside London system. Idiots like this have always existed and I fully agree with the sentiment that we should have more visible law enforcement to tackle ASB, whether yobs of the young or middle aged category.
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Bring back national service!
These damn young people drink less, take less drugs and have the cheek to use the mountain of social media etc we have force fed them to make some dollar and keep them quiet whilst we have both their parents going out to work and hideously expensive childcare. How they have the time to care about unimportant woke things like the future of the planet they have been left by us, I don’t know. Just burn more oil you little s****.
Most young people are a delight considering what they are getting thrown at them and they are always a product of the generation above them. I suspect the ratio of violent, badly behaved nonsense is fairly evenly distributed amongst age groups so let’s lay off the young and work out how we improve the rather uncertain future they face on a number of fronts.
It is the behaviour of society as a whole that we should look at, because behaviours of individual groups are complex and interlinked to all sorts of factors.
As a regular user of Formby in the past, very sad to see this threatening behaviour. Sad to say I think it is not atypical across the country, seems to flare up relatively regularly and if it wasn’t for the video cam here probably wouldn’t be getting the attention.
Young people are an easy target for negative stereotyping because collectively they have little to no power. Imagine the outrage if the media layed into the elderly like they sometimes do with young people.
Interesting you jump straight to social media as the root cause. A lot of ASB and a adolescents generally being ****** comes down to parenting and discipline (or lack thereof). Coupled with schools being more scared than ever to enforce discipline (especially at early ages) you get a generation growing up with the worst respect for authority we’ve ever seen. They might organise themselves using SM, but at that point the damage has already been done.
When I was a kid, "I want" ment you didn't get. Where as, "I would like" ment you might get (if parents could afford it for example). Unfortunately a lot of parents nowadays just give in and give there little darlings everything they want, so when said little darlings get older and they find they can't have/can't afford what they want, they'll just take it anyway (as they see it as "there" right).
the chance of you personally getting attacked is very low ..... between April 2020 and March 2021, 177 women were murdered in England and Wales, compared to 416 men.
Is that supposed to be low? If you are arguing that it is low, then the figure for women in particular would be much higher if they were not a cautious as they are. Women I know generally avoid going out unaccompanied at night, going into certain areas of town etc.
As the basis for an argument, it is rather like saying that climbing up high voltage electricity pylons is not very dangerous because there are not many deaths from that cause - when the real reason for low pylon deaths is that people avoid climbing them.
Interesting you jump straight to social media as the root cause. A lot of ASB and a adolescents generally being ****** comes down to parenting and discipline (or lack thereof). Coupled with schools being more scared than ever to enforce discipline (especially at early ages) you get a generation growing up with the worst respect for authority we’ve ever seen. They might organise themselves using SM, but at that point the damage has already been done.
Is that supposed to be low? If you are arguing that it is low, then the figure for women in particular would be much higher if they were not a cautious as they are. Women I know generally avoid going out unaccompanied at night, going into certain areas of town etc.
As the basis for an argument, it is rather like saying that climbing up high voltage electricity pylons is not very dangerous because there are not many deaths from that cause - when the real reason for low pylon deaths is that people avoid climbing them.
No that analogy is utterly ludicrous, on the basis of the difference in exposure. People aren't exposed to the danger of overhead lines. They are exposed to assault every time they go out in public. Despite everyone who mingles with the public being exposed to assault daily, the risk to any individual on any one day is extremely small. There are obviously localised areas where the risk is much higher which may be best avoided, but extreme situations should not be projected onto the normal, which is what media hysteria does, whether intentially or not.
Ironically, if it is strangers in the outside world you are scared of, statistically women are most likely to be killed by someone closest to them, and I find the level of domestic violence against women (872911 to the year ending September 2021) far more alarming than the number of murders.
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When I was a kid, "I want" ment you didn't get. Where as, "I would like" ment you might get (if parents could afford it for example). Unfortunately a lot of parents nowadays just give in and give there little darlings everything they want, so when said little darlings get older and they find they can't have/can't afford what they want, they'll just take it anyway (as they see it as "there" right).
No that analogy is utterly ludicrous, on the basis of the difference in exposure. People aren't exposed to the danger of overhead lines. They are exposed to assault every time they go out in public. Despite everyone who mingles with the public being exposed to assault daily, the risk to any individual on any one day is extremely small. There are obviously localised areas where the risk is much higher which may be best avoided, but extreme situations should not be projected onto the normal, which is what media hysteria does, whether intentially or not.
Ironically, if it is strangers in the outside world you are scared of, statistically women are most likely to be killed by someone closest to them, and I find the level of domestic violence against women (872911 to the year ending September 2021) far more alarming than the number of murders.
Unfortunately the whole topic has become so politicised that it’s impossible to have a sensible discussion about it. Men are statistically far more likely to be violently attacked or murdered than women and, in the case of stranger attacks, again it’s almost overwhelmingly men who are the victims. Of course it’s true that most violent crime is perpetrated by men, but most victims are also male.
That’s certainly not to downplay the awfulness of the Sarah Everard case (and others), but these attacks are few and far between and the risk to an individual is so vanishingly small that it simply isn’t worth considering. The current narrative that women are unsafe going out after dark is utterly ludicrous and simply not based on reality. The issue facing women is domestic violence - women are many many times more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger.
That’s certainly not to downplay the awfulness of the Sarah Everard case (and others), but these attacks are few and far between and the risk to an individual is so vanishingly small that it simply isn’t worth considering. The current narrative that women are unsafe going out after dark is utterly ludicrous and simply not based on reality. The issue facing women is domestic violence - women are many many times more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger.
The risk of being murdered is of course very small, but the number of women who have to put up with far lower levels of aggressive and unwanted behaviour is enormous. Most of which goes unreported. Ask women you know how many of them have ever had unwanted attention and feared for their safety and it will be a lot of them. That is what women are afraid of, not specifically murder
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When I was a kid, "I want" ment you didn't get. Where as, "I would like" ment you might get (if parents could afford it for example). Unfortunately a lot of parents nowadays just give in and give there little darlings everything they want, so when said little darlings get older and they find they can't have/can't afford what they want, they'll just take it anyway (as they see it as "there" right).
I would suggest that some parents have always been like that. I have come across plenty of horribly over-entitled adults of all ages, it's not a new thing, look at the occupant of no. 10 for a prime example, pardon the pun
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint".
(Hesiod, 8th century BC)
As I work with young people myself, they are not all violent and anti social, they're a mixed bag in the same way adukts and old people are, I've met some disrespectful pensioners and adults, it's not a "youth thing" it's a people thing.
As I work with young people myself, they are not all violent and anti social, they're a mixed bag in the same way adukts and old people are, I've met some disrespectful pensioners and adults, it's not a "youth thing" it's a people thing.
Totally agree with you - I vounteer with the Prince`s Trust annd the young adults are of a mixed variety , there are some who want to use the experience to get a permamant job (one young lady on my team got a job as a Firefighter because of her involvement, others attend because they still get their benifits if they attend, but have no real interest in the programme).
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