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Vandalism/ASB getting worse on the railways?

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Has anyone else noticed this? I’ve seen a marked increase in graffiti in recent months (including trackside in Kings Cross Tube station) and it’s gotten to the point where I’ve started to feel unsafe waiting for trains from my local station New Southgate…
 
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Graffiti around kIngs Cross cuttings and tunnels is really bad, I've only just started commuting again and its really detoriated since things have started to "open - up" again.
 

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Yes, it's got really bad over the pandemic imo. All of stratford which was untagged for years is completely done. Even pudding mill lane portal is completely tagged, looks awful.
 

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Well if its OK for Banksy then it's OK for TOX!
Very subtly put. Without going in to detail, and not in any way wishing to encourage any illegality of any kind, it will often be found that those who support the activity of such 'artwork', when confronted with same type (of attack) upon their own property, are the first to dial three 999's!
 

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Sadly even if the vandals get caught, they know they won't receive a meaningful punishment by the time they go in front of a judge.

Not just railway related bits getting 'tagged' but I noticed canal-side walls in some areas are quite bad for 'artwork'
 

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Not just railway related bits getting 'tagged' but I noticed canal-side walls in some areas are quite bad for 'artwork'
Even agricultural buildings in a National Park. It's a widespread societal issue, not just railways or transport.
 

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This opinion might not go down too well, but I like seeing all the trackside graffiti on the railways around London. I think it brightens the place up and provides added interest to a journey. That said, I don't condone breaking the law, and before anyone says it - if someone came and sprayed a tag on my house I wouldn't like it... unless it was Banksy in which case I'd sell it!
 

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I'm not sure if it's an increase of graffiti "artists", or just rail companies have become less keen on clearing up graffiti (or even a combination of both). On GWR 165/166s, recently I've noticed a toilet WITHOUT graffiti is becoming more rare.
 

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Despite Network Rail having erected a nice big green fence around it, the Grade 2-listed ex-Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway signalbox at Hebden Bridge - closed in October 2018 - has recently been graffitied again. Of course the country where graffiti is most rampant is the country where it was invented hundreds or thousands of years ago....Italy.
 

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Absolutely noticed this. Before I had never seen the outer shell of a train tagged in the UK. Recently though on social media I have seen GWR Iet's and Azumas tagged. A cold grey tunnel is one thing, or a rusted container, but I draw the line at passenger trains.

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Despite Network Rail having erected a nice big green fence around it, the Grade 2-listed ex-Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway signalbox at Hebden Bridge - closed in October 2018 - has recently been graffitied again. Of course the country where graffiti is most rampant is the country where it was invented hundreds or thousands of years ago....Italy.
Absolutely agree. On every train I saw whilst I was over there.
 

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Absolutely noticed this. Before I had never seen the outer shell of a train tagged in the UK. Recently though on social media I have seen GWR Iet's and Azumas tagged.
That's not a new thing, it's been going on for decades.
 

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Absolutely noticed this. Before I had never seen the outer shell of a train tagged in the UK. Recently though on social media I have seen GWR Iet's and Azumas tagged. A cold grey tunnel is one thing, or a rusted container, but I draw the line at passenger trains.
Graffiti on trains has been around for a long time, what changes is the TOCs tolerance of it.

In the days of FCC, any tagged train was one journey back to Hornsey for it to be cleaned off. The terrible state of the FCC vinyls on class 313s was an indicator of the frequency they had to be cleaned.

These days GA is just not bothered on the class 317s. Units can run around for days covered in graffiti.

One thing we can do as enthusiasts is not to share pictures of tagged trains on social media. Don't give those who do the graffiti "the oxygen of publicity".
 

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Graffiti on trains has been around for a long time, what changes is the TOCs tolerance of it.

In the days of FCC, any tagged train was one journey back to Hornsey for it to be cleaned off. The terrible state of the FCC vinyls on class 313s was an indicator of the frequency they had to be cleaned.

These days GA is just not bothered on the class 317s. Units can run around for days covered in graffiti.

One thing we can do as enthusiasts is not to share pictures of tagged trains on social media. Don't give those who do the graffiti "the oxygen of publicity".

TBF the 317s are a matter of months away from withdrawl and a one way trip to Sims, so I do understand their progressive run down.
 

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Despite Network Rail having erected a nice big green fence around it, the Grade 2-listed ex-Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway signalbox at Hebden Bridge - closed in October 2018 - has recently been graffitied again. Of course the country where graffiti is most rampant is the country where it was invented hundreds or thousands of years ago....Italy.

Yes I can testify to Italy being the European capital of graffiti having had to travel on a couple of heavily graffitied units out there last week. It makes for a very unpleasant travelling experience.
 

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I think it brightens the place up and provides added interest to a journey.
Similar feeling here. I've noticed that the better the local art school the higher the quality of the graffiti in the area. Based on the price of spray paint and the quantities involved, I'd guess it's not a poor mans activity.
 

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Similar feeling here. I've noticed that the better the local art school the higher the quality of the graffiti in the area. Based on the price of spray paint and the quantities involved, I'd guess it's not a poor mans activity.
It's an unsightly mess and if l had my way the perpetrators would be sentenced to clean the damned stuff off themselves with minimal equipment.
 

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One thing we can do as enthusiasts is not to share pictures of tagged trains on social media. Don't give those who do the graffiti "the oxygen of publicity".
Absolutely this.

Please please, railfans, do not share images of this type of vandalism, that is precisely why the idiots do it! For those who laud it as "art", bear in mind that however you receive it, however talented the vandals responsible for it may or may not appear to be, the reason that they do it is absolutely not as some sort of artistic goodwill gesture, it's merely about the kick of seeing their efforts out there, which is what a 'tag' is all about - it's the human equivalent of a dog peeing up a lamppost. For every effort that appears to have been done by a misguided artistic genius, there will be many, many more which are just scribble, and it all feeds into the same toxic culture. If gullible folk stopped falling for the Banksy nonsense that would also help! :rolleyes:
 

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The graffiti perpetrators have this idea that "tagging" endows them with some sort of territorial status, a bit lik a dog pissing on a lamppost to mark its territory.
Unfortunately the lack of artistic merit of most graffiti reflects the state of mind of the "artists" and their desire for some sort of recognition.
The most annoying is the crap that gets put on motorway bridges, some of which, as I recall from a few years ago, was pasted up on posters by some sort of religious cult.
I guess graffiti is just another annoyance we have to tolerate, a bit like fly tipping and litter dropping.
 

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The graffiti perpetrators have this idea that "tagging" endows them with some sort of territorial status, a bit lik a dog pissing on a lamppost to mark its territory.
Unfortunately the lack of artistic merit of most graffiti reflects the state of mind of the "artists" and their desire for some sort of recognition.
The most annoying is the crap that gets put on motorway bridges, some of which, as I recall from a few years ago, was pasted up on posters by some sort of religious cult.
I guess graffiti is just another annoyance we have to tolerate, a bit like fly tipping and litter dropping.

Graffiti on boring concrete surfaces (not "reliverying" trains) does add interest if it is of the artistic variety. Banksy is for instance welcome to paint something on my concrete slab garage if he wishes.

Tagging, however, is just littering with paint cans.
 

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Graffiti on boring concrete surfaces (not "reliverying" trains) does add interest if it is of the artistic variety. Banksy is for instance welcome to paint something on my concrete slab garage if he wishes.

Tagging, however, is just littering with paint cans.
The trouble is, you really can't differentiate between 'good' grafitti and the rest of it, as it's entirely subjective. It remains vandalism and criminal damage, that doesn't change based on the finished result or the identity of the vandal.

As for Banksy, ugghh....
 

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Graffiti on boring concrete surfaces (not "reliverying" trains) does add interest if it is of the artistic variety.
That's a good point. Why is so much of infrastructure designed and built in such boring colours and bland geometric forms? Road bridges in the south of France are a nice shade of blue, there are sculptures along the roadside. Even noticed the TGV line to Bordeaux has maritime motives cast into the concrete on bridges. Maybe artists should be involved in big projects much like the archeologists.
 

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That's a good point. Why is so much of infrastructure designed and built in such boring colours and bland geometric forms? Road bridges in the south of France are a nice shade of blue, there are sculptures along the roadside. Even noticed the TGV line to Bordeaux has maritime motives cast into the concrete on bridges. Maybe artists should be involved in big projects much like the archeologists.
It's certainly an interesting point that where 'approved' artwork installations exist - e.g. the numerous station murals around the network - they seem to be left mostly untouched by the local yobs, which is a good thing but something that always surprises me! So yes, maybe we do need more of that.
 

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Graffiti on boring concrete surfaces (not "reliverying" trains) does add interest if it is of the artistic variety. Banksy is for instance welcome to paint something on my concrete slab garage if he wishes.
Where do murals end and graffiti begin?

The parapets on Mill Road bridge in Cambridge have had murals for many years.

I used to like "DAYDREAMER" on one of the abutments beneath one of the new bridges on the south side of Cambridge, and "DEJA VU" which appropriately appeared more than once on bridge abutments between Cambridge and Hitchin. In recent times these are the nearest I've seen to the satirical slogans of 1970s graffiti, themselves brilliantly satirised in "Life of Brian". My two favourites were on railway bridges on the north west side of London, but only visible from the road not the train: "GIVE PEAS A CHANCE" on the Denham Viaduct and "NICHOLAS PARSONS IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE" on the bridge over the Met line near Northwick Park.

Graffiti isn't what it used to be!
 

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They could build structures that aren't so ugly, a bit of graffiti helps hide it.
Network Rail are pretty good at ''architectural vandalism'' themselves. Look at the ugly grey box portacabins they've littered the linside with around the country some have replaced historic sheds and signal boxes. It doesn't seem to bother them even if it backs onto 1800's station buildings or is within meters of a National Park. What they've built in Machynlleth is an eyesore the new foot bridge looks like a lego set. Are they temporary if they are then will they build permanent structures soon, their can't be much life in a portacabin.
If any council or private builder tried something like that they'd have a whole host of authorities coming down on them. Even the town centre supermarkets have to build within the character, every other construction as to follow standards.
And then there's the trains themselves, they've been plastered with all sorts of liveries that look like a playschools was given the contract. At least TFW has improved the colour scheme.W&B even sent trains out looking like a giant pasty.
 

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A mural is painted with permission of the owner of the thing it's painted on, graffiti isn't - that's fairly easy! :)
In legal terms yes, but in terms of artistic merit? In painting or sculpture, for example, does a work have more merit if it is commissioned than if it is pure inspiration?
 

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There always seems much less artistic graffiti around than scrawled tags. Example is all the Nike and Opal tags on several parts of the hope valley line, awful.

I do take photos of graffitied trains as it's not too common a sight around Staffordshire. However, I don't upload them online.
 
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