Ah okay, definitely wrong then!
I saw a pair moving around the depot into the wash roads, are these being tested too?
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I saw a pair moving around the depot into the wash roads, are these being tested too?
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WesternBiker
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In which case, if it is still on road 11 in the shed, I may just have seen it! (Should have brought binoculars!)
WarrenTManager
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London end of 11.
WesternBiker
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Thank you! (In which case I haven’t seen it yet…) I will just have to be patient and wait out on the road.
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Following its visit to Bournemouth, long term out of use 455734 has returned to service today
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Wow. The 701s must be a long long way off returning if they are returning long stored 455s back to use!
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Problem with any new train fleet introduction, especially with one the size of the 701's (the entire suburban fleet) will take time, even if after the first units are in service, the remainder of the roll-out goes to (the latest) plan, it will still take longer than many people expect. Simple logistics, not only the physical accommodation of new and old outgoing units on the patch, but changes to associated stock and crew diagrams every week or so, all takes time to plan and implement. The 458/5 and 707 introduction, although far smaller in unit numbers, still experienced a number of hic-ups during their introduction, whereby plans that had been put in place and issued, had to be postponed at odd intervals. But it got there in the end.
Given the overall situation, as I understand it (not personally being involved in any way whatsoever I will add) it's likely they'll need as many serviceable 455's on hand as possible in the interim, especially with this covid WFH scenario now being a very unpredictable factor going forward perhaps?
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ROG Moves 14/03
STP 0806 Wembley HS - Wimbledon Park Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04676/2022-03-14/detailed
VSTP 5M57 1432 Wimbledon Park Depot - Derby RTC
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:21339/2022-03-14/detailed
STP 0806 Wembley HS - Wimbledon Park Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04676/2022-03-14/detailed
VSTP 5M57 1432 Wimbledon Park Depot - Derby RTC
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:21339/2022-03-14/detailed
WarrenTManager
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Think this is testing 458 translation compatibility as 10 car after 8507 and 8517 had to be sent up singly. Not sure if a 458 will actually leave on Monday.
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STP 13/03 5H72 57312 6378 6379 1016 Derby - Wembley HS for Wimbledon 14/03
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K66512/2022-03-13/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K66512/2022-03-13/detailed
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There’s always been some booked 5 car workings on the Windsor side.
There haven't been since I guess the first Covid emergency timetable in 2020, but there are now some again as of February.
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Heads up that 455856 has VERY loud motors at the moment.
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Mentioned somewhere on this forum (I forget which thread) that some Hounslow loop/Weybridges are booked single 458s outside the peaks.
they're definitely running as 5 cars in the peak times, I had one the other day
Yes, I did the list but can't remember where either!
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5863 is alive and well saw it standing next to 5740 today.
5855 looks in a bad way on 22rd.
Could hear a loco which was near some 458s near the main line but in the yard but couldn't see what was going on as other trains in the way.
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5855 looks in a bad way on 22rd.
Could hear a loco which was near some 458s near the main line but in the yard but couldn't see what was going on as other trains in the way.
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Yup had one today on a sheppy.
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Anybody know what worked these please?
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Daily requirement currently is 19. This was todays offering. 2 units were spares.
| Diagram | AM | PM | With |
| WM801 | 8501 | 8501 | WM802 |
| WM802 | 8531 | 8531 | WM801 |
| WM803 | 8515 | 8521 | WM804 |
| WM804 | 8536 | 8511 | WM803 |
| WM805 | 8528 | 8528 | WM806 only on 2R02 |
| WM806 | 8520 | 8520 | WM805 only on 2R02 |
| WM807 | 8514 | 8514 | WM808 |
| WM808 | 8523 | 8523 | WM807 |
| WM809 | 8516 | 8516 | WM810 |
| WM810 | 8530 | 8530 | WM809 |
| WM811 | 8511 | 8525 | WM812 |
| WM812 | 8521 | 8524 | WM811 |
| WM813 | 8527 | 8527 | Only ECS 5Y95 with WM806 |
| WM814 | 8519 | 8519 | WM815 |
| WM815 | 8509 | 8509 | WM814 |
| WM816 | 8508 | 8508 | WM817 |
| WM817 | 8503 | 8503 | WM816 |
| WM818 | 8510 | 8510 | WM819 |
| WM819 | 8513 | 8513 | WM818 |
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Thank you for this information. I think that this therefore translates in to the following diagrams based upon what the quoted units were shown working on RTT yesterday.
WM801 + WM802
5K02 0530 Clapham Yard Sidings - Waterloo
5K03 0558 Waterloo - Wimbledon
2K03 0612 Wimbledon - Waterloo
2O11 0731 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K15 0857 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O23 1033 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K27 1157 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O35 1333 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K39 1457 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O47 1631 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K51 1757 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O59 1931 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K63 2059 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O71 2233 Waterloo - Waterloo
2H77 2357 Waterloo - Shepperton
5H84 0056 Shepperton - Strawberry Hill CSD
WM803 + WM804
5R90 0451 Feltham Depot - Hounslow
2R90 0531 Hounslow - Waterloo
2R07 0645 Waterloo - Waterloo
5Y81 0821 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
5S43 1403 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2S43 1452 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S52 1633 Weybridge - Waterloo
2V53 1807 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S71 2152 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S80 2333 Weybridge - Staines
5S80 0007 Staines - Feltham Depot
WM805
5R02 0530 Feltham Depot - Hounslow (with WM806)
2R02 0601 Hounslow - Waterloo (with WM806)
2S11 0652 Waterloo - Weybridge
1S20 0833 Weybridge - Waterloo
5Y83 1027 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
5S47 1455 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2S47 1552 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S56 1740 Weybridge - Waterloo
5Y89 1922 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
WM806
5R02 0530 Feltham Depot - Hounslow (with WM805)
2R02 0601 Hounslow - Waterloo (with WM805)
5H95 0658 Waterloo - Twickenham
2H95 0726 Twickenham - Shepperton
2H96 0800 Shepperton - Waterloo
2R17 0915 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S27 1052 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S36 1233 Weybridge - Waterloo
2R43 1545 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S53 1722 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S62 1910 Weybridge - Waterloo
5Y95 2054 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot (with WM813)
WM807 + WM808
5H89 0444 Strawberry Hill CSD - Shepperton
2H90 0523 Shepperton - Waterloo
5H87 0633 Waterloo - Fulwell
2H87 0707 Fulwell - Shepperton
2H94 0730 Shepperton - Waterloo
2R15 0845 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S25 1022 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S34 1203 Weybridge - Waterloo
2S39 1352 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S48 1533 Weybridge - Waterloo
2V49 1707 Waterloo - Waterloo
2R55 1845 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S65 2022 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S74 2203 Weybridge - Waterloo
5Y92 2342 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
WM809 + WM810
5K01 0544 Strawberry Hill CSD - Kingston
2K01 0559 Kingston - Waterloo
2O09 0701 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K13 0827 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O21 1003 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K25 1127 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O33 1303 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K37 1427 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O45 1601 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K49 1727 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O57 1903 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K61 2027 Waterloo - Waterloo
2O69 2203 Waterloo - Waterloo
2K73 2327 Waterloo - Twickenham
5K73 0014 Twickenham - Strawberry Hill CSD
WM811 + WM812
5C07 0440 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2C07 0550 Waterloo - Reading
2C18 0742 Reading - Waterloo
5Y86 0929 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
5S45 1425 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2S45 1522 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S54 1703 Weybridge - Waterloo
2V55 1837 Waterloo - Waterloo
5Y43 2015 Waterloo - Clapham Yard Sidings
WM813
5R05 0500 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2R05 0615 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S15 0752 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S24 0933 Weybridge - Waterloo
2S29 1122 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S38 1303 Weybridge - Waterloo
2R41 1515 Waterloo - Waterloo
2S51 1652 Waterloo - Weybridge
2S60 1840 Weybridge - Waterloo
5Y95 2054 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot (with WM806)
WM814 + WM815
5C09 0509 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2C09 0620 Waterloo - Reading
2C20 0811 Reading - Waterloo
2C23 0950 Waterloo - Reading
2C34 1142 Reading - Waterloo
2C37 1320 Waterloo - Reading
2C48 1512 Reading - Waterloo
2C51 1650 Waterloo - Reading
2C62 1842 Reading - Waterloo
2C65 2020 Waterloo - Reading
2C76 2212 Reading - Waterloo
5C79 2350 Waterloo - Feltham Depot
WM816 + WM817
5U07 0510 Wimbledon Park Depot - Waterloo
2U07 0558 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0723 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U17 0828 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U24 0953 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U27 1058 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U34 1223 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U37 1328 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U44 1453 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U47 1558 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U86 1723 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U57 1828 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U64 1953 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U67 2058 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2223 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U77 2328 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
WM818 + WM819
2U08 0553 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U11 0658 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U18 0823 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U21 0928 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U28 1053 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U31 1158 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U38 1323 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U41 1428 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U48 1553 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U51 1658 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U58 1823 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
2U61 1928 Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U68 2053 Windsor & Eton Riverside - Waterloo
5Y90 2203 Waterloo - Wimbledon Park Depot
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Lot of work put in there
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It was not too dificult. As part of my monitoring of which 458s are in service, to identify those which have been long term absent, I already knew which 19 458s were in service am and pm on Monday, and which trains that they were on. It is quite simple to follow through those diagrams on RTT. The tricky part is the five diagrams that go on to Wimbledon between the peaks because there is a fair amount of variation from one day to the next as to how those five units (or even if it is the same five units) come back out, due to maintainance requirements and occasional service disruption. But "5920" post #712 kindly answered all of those questions.
A couple of 455s that have been long term absent from passenger service have both returned to use today;
455708 (with 455905 on 2D22) - my last record of 455708 was 28/10/21
455863 (with 455737 on 2D18) - my last record of 455863 was 15/12/21
A couple of 455s that have been long term absent from passenger service have both returned to use today;
455708 (with 455905 on 2D22) - my last record of 455708 was 28/10/21
455863 (with 455737 on 2D18) - my last record of 455863 was 15/12/21
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No red pen required here: it’s over 5,000 miles in its /0 and /5 guises!
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I’d rather see it in four car formation with South Western livery. I’m dying to know what they’ll look like.
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