Alderley Edge to Southampton Central

[gnolife]

hi guys,
ive been given a off-peak return ticket from Alderley Edge to Southampton Central for next thursday thats telling me to travel through London. 3 questions with it:

1) do i have to go through Euston, the Underground and Waterloo, or could I change at Watford Junction, Willesden Junction and Clapham Junction (I dont particularly like going through the middle of london unless i have to)?
2) is there any peak time restrictions out of london i need to be aware of?
3) when returning, to i have to travel through Crewe, or can i change at Stockport or Manchester Piccadilly?

thanks in advance

 

[wintonian]

I assume you ticket states route: +LONDON - is that correct?

Am I also correct in saying that the ticket cost £88:40/ £93:50 or £58:35/ £61:70 with a railcard?

If so then the restrictions are as follows:

Restriction : 2C
FOR TRAVEL TO OR VIA:
London Terminals, Milton
Keynes, Watford, Stevenage,
Reading, Kensington Olympia,
Bedford, Luton and Luton
Airport Parkway.

These restrictions apply
Monday to Friday. By any train
on other days.

If travel is NOT to/via the
stations listed below or
Peterborough, see restriction
code 2V.

OUTWARD TRAVEL
You may travel on any train
that is scheduled to ARRIVE as
shown below:

RETURN TRAVEL
You may travel on any train
that is scheduled to DEPART_as
shown below:

DEPART: LONDON EUSTON
Between 0926 & 1500 (inc.) and
at or after 1845.

ARRIVE: LONDON EUSTON
Before 0720 or at or after
1129.

DEPART: LONDON KING'S CROSS
Between 0929 & 1457 (inc.) and
at or after 1859. Also allowed
at or after 1815 on Fridays
only.

ARRIVE: LONDON KING'S CROSS
At or after 1117.

DEPART: ST PANCRAS
INTERNATIONAL
Between 1026 & 1515 (inc.) and
at or after 1859.

ARRIVET PANCRAS
INTERNATIONAL
At or after 1129

DEPART:LONDON LIVERPOOL STREET
Between 0931 & 1628 (inc.) and
at or after 1835. (see note
below)

ARRIVE: LONDON LIVERPOOL
STREET
At or after 1000.( see note
below )

DEPART: LONDON MARYLEBONE
At any time, but not valid on
WSMR service timed to depart
before 0800 and between 1600
and 1900.

ARRIVE: LONDON MARYLEBONE
At or after 1005.

DEPART: LONDON PADDINGTON
Between 0810 & 1640 (inc.) and
at or after 1831. (see note
below)

ARRIVE: LONDON PADDINGTON
At or after 1010._(see note
below)

DEPART: LONDON WATERLOO
Between 0925 & 1630 (inc.) and
at or after 1822

ARRIVE: LONDON WATERLOO
At or after 1050

DEPART: KENSINGTON OLYMPIA
Between 0915 & 1514 (inc.)
and at or after 1812.

ARRIVE: KENSINGTON OLYMPIA
At or after 1100

DEPART: BEDFORD
Between 0901 & 1629 (inc.)
and at or after 1859

ARRIVE: BEDFORD
At or after 0930

DEPART: LUTON/LUTON AIRPORT
PARKWAY
Between 0901 & 1629 (inc.) and
at or after 1859

ARRIVE: LUTON/LUTON AIRPORT
________PARKWAY
At or after 1004

DEPART: MILTON KEYNES CENTRAL
Between 0951 & 1514 (inc.) and
at or after 1914

ARRIVE: MILTON KEYNES CENTRAL
Before 0639 or at or after
1048

DEPART: READING
Between 0835 & 1710 (inc.) and
or after 1859. (see note
below)

ARRIVE: READING
At or after 0940 (see note
below)

DEPART: STEVENAGE
Between 0939 & 1507 (inc.) and
at or after 1909. Also allowed
at or after 1835 on Fridays
only.

ARRIVE: STEVENAGE
At or after 1100

DEPART: STRATFORD (LONDON)
At or before 1705 and at or
after 1855

ARRIVE: STRATFORD (LONDON)
At or after 1015

DEPART: WATFORD JUNCTION
Between 0938 & 1438 (inc.) and
at or after 1838

ARRIVE: WATFORD JUNCTION
Before 0644 and at or after
1045
OVERNIGHT BREAK OF JOURNEY
Restarting journey from an
intermediate station.
Outward (on day 2): outward
morning restrictions as above
apply from/via the stations
shown above (Mon-Fri) and
journey must recommence before
12:00 (all days).
Recommencing from any other
station en route that is north
of the stations shown above
must be on trains timed to
depart 09:30-11:59 inc. (by
any train before 12:00 on BH
and other days).
Return: return restrictions_as
above apply Mon-Fri.

NOTE A:
Travel to all stations
Worcester Shrub Hill to
Hereford (via Oxford) is also
permitted on the 1722, 1750
and 1822 services from
London Paddington (1751, 1823
and 1852 from Reading).
Travel to Gowerton and beyond
is also permitted on the 1745
London Paddington to
Carmarthen service (1812 from
Reading).
Travel to Newton Abbott and
beyond, and all stations
Newton St Cyres to Barnstaple,
is permitted on the 1803
London Paddington to Penzance
service (1833 from Reading).
Travel to Menheniot and beyond
is also permitted on the 1703
London Paddington - Penzance
service (1732 from Reading) on
FRIDAYS ONLY.

Travel is permitted on the
1636 from London Liverpool
Street to Braintree for
destinations Hatfield Peverel
to Braintree only.
3) Travel is permitted on the
0603 London to Birmingham New
Street and the 0500 & 0524
Wolverhampton to Euston.

Off-Peak restrictions on
Virgin Trains_services will
not apply from_22nd April -
25th April inc.
BVS/BVR/SVS/SVR OFF-PEAK
FSR/FSS/SFR/BFR/BFS
OFF-PEAK (First Class)

Yes you should be able to go via Kensington Olympia.

If going via Euston as long as you arrive in Euston during the following times you are ok:

ARRIVE: LONDON EUSTON
Before 0720 or at or after
1129

Changing at Crew or Manchester; I can have a look tomorrow for you, but crew almost certainly as the not London fare (which is cheaper) would mean having to go through crew, I suspect. Going the other way you may only be allowed to change at Stockport, but as I say I can check tomorrow.

You will also be able to get a train to Birmingham New Street and change to a train to Southampton Central.

If your ticket is not as I have assumed above please clarify what the "route" bit says and the price as well as any railcard discounts.

 

[paul1609]

If you are on the XX56 south from Crewe and want to avoid the London Transfer its best to change at Milton Keynes Central to Southern and then again at Clapham Junction to South West Trains with quite good connections it about 25 mins longer than via the theoretical underground timings. In practise you can usually beat the theoretical underground time by another 30 mins when travelling via Central London as the cross london transfers are very generous.

In times of disruption I'd recommend going via the underground as the Southern service to Milton Keynes seems to be one of the first to be cut short. Also be aware that the West London Line is no longer the suburban backwater it once was. The opening of the Westfield shopping complex at Sheppards Bush has changed all that and you are likely to experience crush loadings in the evening peak.

 

[gnolife]

the tickets exactly what you thought it was, and its on a 16-25 railcard discount, costing £61.70.

and does

DEPART: LONDON WATERLOO
Between 0925 & 1630 (inc.) and
at or after 1822

apply out at Clapham Junction on trains which start at Waterloo?

 

[wintonian]

the tickets exactly what you thought it was, and its on a 16-25 railcard discount, costing £61.70.

and does


apply out at Clapham Junction on trains which start at Waterloo?

Yes.

Still havn't had time to check the roting guide for you yet, unless anyone else wants to?

 

[swt_passenger]

Why not just use XC from Stockport direct to Southampton? (Unless you can't abide Voyagers, of course.)

AIUI your ticket is also good for the direct route, and there are no peak time restrictions at all, as it is a long enough XC route for the offpeak to be valid all day (after 0530 but effectively there's no restriction).

 

[wintonian]

Why not just use XC from Stockport direct to Southampton? (Unless you can't abide Voyagers, of course.)

AIUI your ticket is also good for the direct route, and there are no peak time restrictions at all, as it is a long enough XC route for the offpeak to be valid all day (after 0530 but effectively there's no restriction).

Very good point.

Don't know why I didn't think of that.

 

[Paul Kelly]

Not really directly relevant to the discussion, but won't the cheaper "NOT LONDON" ticket also be valid for the route via London Overground that avoids any London termini?

 

[wintonian]

Not really directly relevant to the discussion, but won't the cheaper "NOT LONDON" ticket also be valid for the route via London Overground that avoids any London termini?

Should be, but as the OP has bought their ticket and the difference is only £3 + some pennies, with an admin fee of £10 it won't be worth it to seek a refund.

Alderley Edge - Southampton Central is valid via Manchester on trains that pass through Wilmslow, as I am not too familiar with trains up there I will just note that you are not allowed to pass through a station twice, so for example no getting a train to Manchester and then going to Birmingham via Wilmslow, but going via Macclesfield would be fine.

Going to Manchester or Stockport and getting a direct train to Southampton would (unless like me you won’t travel by Cross country) be the best Idea. There is also a direct bus from Euston to Waterloo if it’s avoiding the tube you were thinking about. Or change at Milton Keynes for a train to Clapham Junction and then straight down the SWML to Southampton to go the other way adding about 30 mins to the travel time via London.

 

[Paul Kelly]

But IIUC the advantage would be that the NOT LONDON SVR has (at least in NFM07) an 8X restriction:

Outward and Return journeys,
MONDAY to FRIDAY only.
No travel restrictions on
other days.

By any train except those
scheduled to depart before
0500.

If travelling via London
St Pancras please also check
restriction 7E & 9J.

This restriction is lifted all
day from Friday 24 December
2010 until Monday 03 January
2011 inclusive.

which means that there would be no need to worry about time restrictions into Euston and out of Waterloo (if you got off at Watford Junction and on at Clapham Junction respectively)?

Can it not be changed by doing an excess, rather than having to pay an admin fee?

 

[wintonian]

But IIUC the advantage would be that the NOT LONDON SVR has (at least in NFM07) an 8X restriction:

which means that there would be no need to worry about time restrictions into Euston and out of Waterloo (if you got off at Watford Junction and on at Clapham Junction respectively)?

Can it not be changed by doing an excess, rather than having to pay an admin fee?

Yes a change of route excess would cost £0.00, as you say you would then not be allowed to travel via any London terminal.

But if you were on a train arriving into Milton Keynes at or after 10:48 and or Euston at or after 11:29 then it wouldn’t matter on the way out, the return would be trains departing Kensington Olympia Between 0915 and 1514 and at or after 1812.

If traveling from outside the network area to inside the area (as in this case) travel would be unrestricted from London going out and also to London on the return, so the restrictions for Waterloo do not apply.

 

[John @ home]

But if you were on a train arriving into Milton Keynes at or after 10:48 and or Euston at or after 11:29 then it wouldn’t matter on the way out, the return would be trains departing Kensington Olympia Between 0915 and 1514 and at or after 1812.

Why? Once the ticket becomes route NOT LONDON, the restriction becomes 8X. If the quotation in post #10 is accurate, that allows travel via Kensington by any train except those scheduled to depart before 0500.

 

[wintonian]

Why? Once the ticket becomes route NOT LONDON, the restriction becomes 8X. If the quotation in post #10 is accurate, that allows travel via Kensington by any train except those scheduled to depart before 0500.

Sorry I meant If the ticket was routed: "+London" then your quote of my post above would apply. As that is the ticket held by the OP at the moment that is what applies unless a change of route excess is done.

 

[John @ home]

I meant If the ticket was routed: "+London"

Ah! I understand now.

that is what applies unless a change of route excess is done.

Agreed.

 

[scrapy]

Alderley Edge - Southampton Central is valid via Manchester on trains that pass through Wilmslow, as I am not too familiar with trains up there I will just note that you are not allowed to pass through a station twice, so for example no getting a train to Manchester and then going to Birmingham via Wilmslow, but going via Macclesfield would be fine.

Going to Manchester or Stockport and getting a direct train to Southampton would (unless like me you won’t travel by Cross country) be the best Idea. There is also a direct bus from Euston to Waterloo if it’s avoiding the tube you were thinking about. Or change at Milton Keynes for a train to Clapham Junction and then straight down the SWML to Southampton to go the other way adding about 30 mins to the travel time via London.

There is an easement allowing you to travel back through Cheadle Hulme twice, so you can change at Stockport. Travel is only permitted via Manchester if you travel via Heald Green to Manchester then back via Stockport. This would be a bit pointless as it is never quicker to travel via Manchester. You are not allowed to double back through Stockport.