When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[Cowley]

With regard to Fabricant, I'd always assumed it was a syrup. You mean that hair is actually REAL?

From Wikipedia:

Fabricant has stated he has undergone some "enhancement of the follicular area", but has denied sporting a wig.

I’d separate this into a different thread but I think it might take on a life of its own (a bit like that hair).

 

[Busaholic]

Did anyone see him on First Dates on Channel Four last year?

His date aroused his ire by asking if he was in possession of a syrup !!

Just eating my dinner - the idea of anything of Fabricant's getting aroused spoiled it completely.

 

[edwin_m]

With regard to Fabricant, I'd always assumed it was a syrup. You mean that hair is actually REAL?

That may be what he wishes you to believe. Or it may be real, just not his.

 

[Busaholic]

That may be what he wishes you to believe. Or it may be real, just not his.

It's the HAIR that's real, just not the rest of him.

 

[brad465]

Michael Fabricant has his head so far up Johnson's ****, I can't tell whether he's speaking or farting. Similar could be said for Dorries and anyone blindly defending Johnson to the hilt in recent weeks.

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Meanwhile Tory MP Nick Gibb has joined the letter senders:

https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1489715220297699331

BREAKING: Tory MP Nick Gibb calls on Boris to resign One of the longest serving Tory ministers in the last decade. A moderate. Letter submitted. “I am sorry to say that it is hard to see how it can be the case that the Prime Minister told the truth”

 

[AM9]

With regard to Fabricant, I'd always assumed it was a syrup. You mean that hair is actually REAL?

The hair might be real (although not his hair), but the rest of him is syrup or something of that consistency.

 

[brad465]

Oh dear...

Newspaper headlines: Cabinet turmoil and more on the PM's birthday bash

The ongoing problems at Downing Street lead many of Saturday's papers.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[birchesgreen]

Michael Fabricant has his head so far up Johnson's ****

Does this explain the "hair"?

 

[dgl]

To add to the lies BoJo said about Kier, here is an old LBC interview where BoJo said that investigating historic sexual abuse was "money spaffed up a wall" .
So if anything it's Boris that dosn't want to investigate claims of sexual abuse.

Also it's been notied that the reason why the CPS didn't prosecute Jimmy was more down to police failings that anything else, the police never told the acusers that there were others accusing him and as such none of them wanted to face saville alone at a trial, had the police told them that they were not the only ones then maybe they would have had the confidence to face saville in court, and as such CPS South East decided there was not enough evidence to go to trial.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1488796746574610432

 

[The Ham]

To add to the lies BoJo said about Kier, here is an old LBC interview where BoJo said that investigating historic sexual abuse was "money spaffed up a wall" .
So if anything it's Boris that dosn't want to investigate claims of sexual abuse.

Also it's been notied that the reason why the CPS didn't prosecute Jimmy was more down to police failings that anything else, the police never told the acusers that there were others accusing him and as such none of them wanted to face saville alone at a trial, had the police told them that they were not the only ones then maybe they would have had the confidence to face saville in court, and as such CPS South East decided there was not enough evidence to go to trial.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1488796746574610432

To be fair to Boris the main point he was making was that he didn't want the police looking into historical events, something he's been consistent on. In that he doesn't want then looking into parties form between a year and two years ago!

 

[dgl]

To be fair to Boris the main point he was making was that he didn't want the police looking into historical events, something he's been consistent on. In that he doesn't want then looking into parties form between a year and two years ago!

quite, although technically you can only investigate crimes that happened in the past, as one a crime has happened it's in the past!

 

[DynamicSpirit]

quite, although technically you can only investigate crimes that happened in the past, as one a crime has happened it's in the past!

Yeah, I guess the question is, how far back do you mean by 'historic'. There's a difference between something that happened 1 year ago and something that happened 40 years ago, and that video clip doesn't provide enough context to know how far back Boris was talking about.

(For what it's worth, I think Jimmy Savile's crimes were so serious that, even where they happened 40 years ago, they should still be investigated if there's a chance of convictions/righting wrongs suffered by victims who are still alive, although I appreciate there is a conflict if if it's taking resources away from investigating burglaries and stuff from 2 days ago)

 

[The Ham]

quite, although technically you can only investigate crimes that happened in the past, as one a crime has happened it's in the past!

Indeed, I was being a bit flippant with my comment.

Yeah, I guess the question is, how far back do you mean by 'historic'. There's a difference between something that happened 1 year ago and something that happened 40 years ago, and that video clip doesn't provide enough context to know how far back Boris was talking about.

(For what it's worth, I think Jimmy Savile's crimes were so serious that, even where they happened 40 years ago, they should still be investigated if there's a chance of convictions/righting wrongs suffered by victims who are still alive, although I appreciate there is a conflict if if it's taking resources away from investigating burglaries and stuff from 2 days ago)

I'd imagine that given that there's fairly limited numbers of serious crimes which haven't been investigated at some point that overall the impact on current investigations would be fairly limited.

Although it's worth noting that sometimes by solving a 10 year old case you could stop another case needing to be solved in 3 months time.

As such it's not as clear cut as don't solve old cases as that will ensure that you've got the time and resources to solve current cases.

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The latest article on the BBC doesn't read well for Boris, with photos of him with as beer, the Heath Secretary saying that the leader of the opposition did a good job (with regards to bring the head of the CPS) and yet another letter of no confidence:

Boris Johnson: Former minister joins calls for PM to resign

Nick Gibb is the latest Conservative MP to submit a letter of no confidence in the prime minister.

www.bbc.co.uk

Another Conservative MP has called for Boris Johnson to resign as the turmoil at 10 Downing Street continues.
Former minister Nick Gibb is the latest Tory to submit a letter of no confidence in the row over events held at No 10 during lockdown.
He said his constituents were furious that No 10 had been "flagrantly disregarding" the Covid rules they set.
But Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries insisted the "vast majority" of Conservative MPs supported Mr Johnson.
Meanwhile, the Daily Mirror reports a photograph of Mr Johnson holding a beer at a birthday gathering has been handed to police investigating Covid breaches.
The paper said the picture was one of 300 submitted to the Metropolitan Police investigation into 12 alleged gatherings and was thought to have been taken by the PM's official photographer, who is funded by the taxpayer.
It said it showed the prime minister holding a can of beer at an event in No 10's Cabinet Room in June 2020, alongside Chancellor Rishi Sunak, who was holding a soft drink.
At the time, gatherings of more than two people inside were banned by law.
It comes at the end of a difficult week for the PM, which has seen five No 10 aides resign and the publication of the initial findings of the Sue Gray report into events at Downing Street while Covid restrictions were in place.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Gibb, who has served under three prime ministers and who lost his position as schools minister in Boris Johnson's reshuffle last September, said his constituents were "furious about the double standards" and that "to restore trust, we need to change the prime minister".
He said Covid restrictions imposed by Mr Johnson were "flagrantly disregarded" in Downing Street, and the PM was inaccurate when, in December, he told the House of Commons there was no party.
"Some argue that eating a few canapes with a glass of prosecco is hardly a reason to resign. But telling the truth matters, and nowhere more so than in the House of Commons where, like a court of law, truth must be told regardless of the personal consequences," he wrote.
Mr Gibb said fellow backbench Tory Aaron Bell had "struck a chord" when he criticised Mr Johnson over lockdown parties earlier this week.
Mr Bell had asked the prime minister if he took him for a fool for following the rules himself - including not hugging his family at his grandmother's funeral, or going for a cup of tea after the service.

On Friday, Mr Bell said the "breach of trust" over the rule breaking and how it had been handled made the PM's position untenable, as he confirmed he had also submitted a letter of no confidence to Sir Graham Brady - the chair of the 1922 Committee of backbench MPs.
At least 54 MPs need to write to Sir Graham to trigger a vote on the PM's leadership of the party.
Other Conservative MPs are expected to consider whether to put in their letters over the weekend.
Mr Johnson has written to all Tory MPs to say he is committed to improving the way 10 Downing Street works.

Ms Dorries told the BBC most MPs were "right behind the prime minister because he has delivered... and will continue to do so" and said Mr Johnson had been "very positive" when she communicated with him within the past 24 hours.
She said a huge amount of change was now under way within No 10, but she was "cautious" of asking him to change too much, because of achievements such as having the biggest majority since Margaret Thatcher.
Ms Dorries said those speaking out against Mr Johnson were "the same names" that "keep cropping up" and "no prime minister would please any of those".
She said there were "a few voices being amplified" by the media, describing the comments made by Mr Gibb and Mr Bell as "disappointing".


Speaking on Newsnight, Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen suggested it was now the job of the cabinet to "show leadership" and "confront" the issue of the prime minister's leadership.
But his fellow Tory MP Richard Bacon suggested it was not for politicians to change governments - that was for the electorate to take care of.
And Liam Fox, former trade secretary, said there was a danger the party was becoming distracted from big issues such as inflation, the energy crisis and the situation in Ukraine.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "There will need to be closure on this issue, in the Conservative Party and in the country, and I think when there's more to say, we should say it, and there are questions that will need to be answered."
Some of Mr Johnson's supporters, including one former cabinet minister, have criticised the Chancellor Rishi Sunak, who this week distanced himself from the prime minister's controversial comments about Sir Keir Starmer, for being disloyal at a difficult time.
No 10 policy chief Munira Mirza quit on Thursday, describing Mr Johnson's comments on Sir Keir as "scurrilous".
The prime minister falsely claimed the Labour leader had failed to prosecute paedophile Jimmy Savile during his time as director of public prosecutions.
Mr Sunak said he "wouldn't have said it", while on Friday Health Secretary Sajid Javid said Sir Keir "did a good job and should be respected for it".

 

[alex397]

I’m starting to think Nadine Dorries needs some help. She is an absolute embarrassment to this country. Continually appearing on TV interviews acting like a hormonal teenager. Is there anything left for the satirists?

 

[dgl]

I’m starting to think Nadine Dorries needs some help. She is an absolute embarrassment to this country. Continually appearing on TV interviews acting like a hormonal teenager. Is there anything left for the satirists?

and possibly been at the sauce, not like you could blame any conservative at the moment

 

[Busaholic]

Does this explain the "hair"?

Right this minute an ad for Human Hair Wigs For Sale Cheap is at the bottom of the page.

 

[DelayRepay]

I’m starting to think Nadine Dorries needs some help. She is an absolute embarrassment to this country. Continually appearing on TV interviews acting like a hormonal teenager. Is there anything left for the satirists?

I have just seen her interview and I a lost of words.

Does Boris really think sending her out on the media round is helping his cause?!

 

[GusB]

Right this minute an ad for Human Hair Wigs For Sale Cheap is at the bottom of the page.

I've got that too. Big brother is watching!

 

[Gloster]

I have just seen her interview and I a lost of words.

Does Boris really think sending her out on the media round is helping his cause?!

But she is becoming the centre of attention, not him. In the eyes of someone who thinks only in the short term, such as Johnson, this is an advantage. He will deal with any fallout later, or so he thinks. And if it damages her reputation (what there is of it), do you think that will worry Johnson?

 

[brad465]

I'd like to think that this week saw "Black Thursday", not a market or currency crash of sorts, but where reality hit hard about the cost of living. The energy price cap rising 54% with ridiculous/insufficient support offered to mitigate it (especially when compared to France bills rising only 4%), the BoE putting interest rates up and raising their inflation forecasts again to over 7%, which personally I still think is neither the peak nor the reality for many, then to top it off our illustrious BoE Governor telling workers not to ask for pay rises.

As all this hits ordinary people's lifestyles, things will clearly be seen to be getting worse for a very large chunk of the population, which won't help the Government at all, unless, as I expect they'll try, they conjure up truck loads of dead cats, culture wars and other forms of distraction that work for them.

 

[DelayRepay]

I'd like to think that this week saw "Black Thursday", not a market or currency crash of sorts, but where reality hit hard about the cost of living. The energy price cap rising 54% with ridiculous/insufficient support offered to mitigate it (especially when compared to France bills rising only 4%), the BoE putting interest rates up and raising their inflation forecasts again to over 7%, which personally I still think is neither the peak nor the reality for many, then to top it off our illustrious BoE Governor telling workers not to ask for pay rises.

As all this hits ordinary people's lifestyles, things will clearly be seen to be getting worse for a very large chunk of the population, which won't help the Government at all, unless, as I expect they'll try, they conjure up truck loads of dead cats, culture wars and other forms of distraction that work for them.

Indeed. I am fortunate enough to work for a company who are able to award annual pay rises which, by an unfortunate coincidence were also announced on Thursday. The general feeling was that the award for most people will not cover the increase in their cost of living.

And the gas bill credit is a complete fudge. Describing it as a 'discount' is tantamount to fraud!

 

[daodao]

Much ado about nothing very much. Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out. These informal parties at 10 Downing Street are a trivial matter, for which it is ridiculous to hound the PM, given that his behaviour was predictable. The majority of the English electorate deliberately chose a Johnson-led government in December 2019, when they knew he was a cad.

 

[DelayRepay]

Much ado about nothing very much. Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out. These informal parties at 10 Downing Street are a trivial matter, for which it is ridiculous to hound the PM, given that his behaviour was predictable. The majority of the English electorate deliberately chose a Johnson-led government in December 2019, when they knew he was a cad.

The parties were trivial, and if, when he got caught out, he'd just said sorry, this would all have blown over.

But he didn't. He lied and treated the public with contempt. That's why the press kept digging and why it's ended up with the police having to investigate.

 

[brad465]

Much ado about nothing very much. Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out. These informal parties at 10 Downing Street are a trivial matter, for which it is ridiculous to hound the PM, given that his behaviour was predictable. The majority of the English electorate deliberately chose a Johnson-led government in December 2019, when they knew he was a cad.

"It's not the crime, it's the cover up."

 

[skyhigh]

I have just seen her interview and I a lost of words.

Does Boris really think sending her out on the media round is helping his cause?!

Just seen it. What a car crash of an interview...

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Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out.

Those people didn't stand up on television telling everyone else what the rules were and that they needed to be followed. And then lie about it when they were caught out.

 

[brad465]

But she is becoming the centre of attention, not him. In the eyes of someone who thinks only in the short term, such as Johnson, this is an advantage. He will deal with any fallout later, or so he thinks. And if it damages her reputation (what there is of it), do you think that will worry Johnson?

I'd also say that's advantageous to the rest of his cabinet, if they have leadership ambitions, where if Dorries is doing all the interviews, other Cabinet ministers are not. As a result, they're not becoming as associated with Johnson when the time comes for the eventual leader to scapegoat him.

 

[Gloster]

The Express has the headline ‘BULLISH’ PM’S SURVIVAL PLAN. I think they have got the last three letters of the first word in the wrong order and missed the T on the end. It also says he will ditch Left-wing policies...really!

 

[LittleAH]

Much ado about nothing very much. Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out. These informal parties at 10 Downing Street are a trivial matter, for which it is ridiculous to hound the PM, given that his behaviour was predictable. The majority of the English electorate deliberately chose a Johnson-led government in December 2019, when they knew he was a cad.

I didn't have an ABBA themed party during lockdown or any party. It's not trivial.

 

[AM9]

The Express has the headline ‘BULLISH’ PM’S SURVIVAL PLAN. I think they have got the last three letters of the first word in the wrong order and missed the T on the end. It also says he will ditch Left-wing policies...really!

If they mean those that were use to dupe the Labour voters in the last last GE, then it will be goodbye Red Waller's for the Tories at the next.

 

[Howardh]

Much ado about nothing very much. Lots of people broke the Covid rules but haven't been found out. These informal parties at 10 Downing Street are a trivial matter, for which it is ridiculous to hound the PM, given that his behaviour was predictable. The majority of the English electorate deliberately chose a Johnson-led government in December 2019, when they knew he was a cad.

If it's all "trivial" then will Johnson insist that everyone who was cautioned or fined by the police can have their fines back and convictions absolutely cleared?? I recall two friends on a park bench, outside obvioulsly, enjoying a coffee together attracted police attention...