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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

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This view shows almost a year's work on the electrification at Ulleskelf.
Compare with this view in February 2021

I don't know whether this is good progress or not.


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I'd say that is good progress; all the main steelwork is now up, SPS is starting to appear, new troughing routes have been laid and new ancillary civils work (troughing, Location Cabinet (LOC) installation, Under Track Crossing (UTX) installation etc.) looks near-enough complete. I'd say cantilevers and wires won't be too far off now.
 
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Not to mention commissioning of all the associated cabinets and interlocking.
And the upgraded power feeding arrangements for the ECML junction.
Wiring the largely 2-track route onwards towards Leeds should be a simpler job unless some realignment is involved.
 

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And the upgraded power feeding arrangements for the ECML junction.
Wiring the largely 2-track route onwards towards Leeds should be a simpler job unless some realignment is involved.
Commenting on this an earlier comments: that's encouraging. The ordinary layman has little idea of these largely invisible enhancements.
 

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And the upgraded power feeding arrangements for the ECML junction.
Wiring the largely 2-track route onwards towards Leeds should be a simpler job unless some realignment is involved.
There will be some very substantial realignment around Neville Hill to substantially increase the linespeed there and provide more space for Neville Hill to expand. See 22:40 of this video:

There also remains a few questions on the scope of this project; Should some of the previous four-track alignment be restored to facilitate the overtaking of trains stopping at potential new stations at Thorpe Park and Osmondthorpe/Killingbeck? Also should we bother with increasing linespeeds through Garforth if a bypass using the HS2 alignment is built?
 

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This is around the Miles Platting area; all the masts installed so far look like 4-track (or more) portals - you can tell by the hinge joints at the top. The mast nearest the camera in the 1st shot is "MVL/02/08"; in the 2nd shot it's "MVL/02/01".
Looks like they're taking a leaf out of TRU E1's book with the nomenclature, going for "Engineers' Line Ref/Kilometrage from datum/structure no. in that kilometre range". By that logic, there are at least 8 (almost certainly more) structures in that km range, and the code will persist along the route until Heaton Lodge, where it becomes MVN (with km's via the Calder Valley, presumably) until Thornhill LNW it where it changes again to MDL.

I had a quick trip Manchester Victoria to Stalybridge and back before work this afternoon.

From what I saw, I'm impressed on what I saw. Obviously subject to confirmation, but these were my observations;

The retaining wall after Bromley Street Jn (around about where the 40 starts) next to the Up Slow has 3 brackets in situ (similar to the ones departing Bolton for Lostock), there seemed to be another over on the Down Rochdale Fast side but couldn't process it in time.

There are at least 7 stanchions on the Down Rochdale Fast side of the track, they look a mixture of portal supports and TTCs, but again a limited view of them.

There are 5 stanchions on the Up Slow side, again a mixture of designs implying portal/TTCs.

These are on the approach to Miles Platting Jn, none yet visible on the Ashton lines.

Piles still upto the M60 motorway bridge, only one observed on the Down side between there and Ashton Station.

Cess clearance visible from M60 Bridge to Ashton Station, but no signs of any work between Ashton and Stalybridge.

There seems to be new style AWS magnets installed between Miles Platting and just before Ashton Moss Jn. Some of these are in the middle of nowhere, and some seem to be in relation to signals, so unsure if some signals are going to be relocated due to sighting issues?
 

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There seems to be new style AWS magnets installed between Miles Platting and just before Ashton Moss Jn. Some of these are in the middle of nowhere, and some seem to be in relation to signals, so unsure if some signals are going to be relocated due to sighting issues?
Or AC-immune AWS magnets.

A quick add-on, in the PWI video linked further up thread it was mentioned that a different alliance of contractors was working on the West of Leeds projects than in the East. Does this mean that Series 2 electrification will be used as a continuation of NWEP or will it use Siemens electrification as is demonstrated on E1?
 
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I said new style AWS magnets because they look, well new style. They might be AC immune, but they didn't appear on Ordsall Lane - Euxton.
 

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Or AC-immune AWS magnets.

A quick add-on, in the PWI video linked further up thread it was mentioned that a different alliance of contractors was working on the West of Leeds projects than in the East. Does this mean that Series 2 electrification will be used as a continuation of NWEP or will it use Siemens electrification as is demonstrated on E1?
AIUI, the route from Man Vic to Standedge Tunnel W will be using Series 2 (i.e. Bonomi) equipment, with Standedge Tunnel E to Huddersfield, Huddersfield to Leeds, Leeds to Micklefield & Micklefield to Church Fenton using SICAT equipment as per York - Church Fenton.

This is as per the request of the works delivery units for each route (so I've heard); the NW works delivery team want to stick to S2, while the N&E works delivery team would prefer SICAT instead of a SICAT/S2 mix.
(Interestingly enough, the CIG flythroughs of Huddersfield - Leeds seem to show S2 equipment, probably because it's in the "W" programmes rather than the "E" programmes. The TWAO docs for Huddersfield - Dewsbury certainly show SICAT being used...
 

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There will be some very substantial realignment around Neville Hill to substantially increase the linespeed there and provide more space for Neville Hill to expand. See 22:40 of this video:

There also remains a few questions on the scope of this project; Should some of the previous four-track alignment be restored to facilitate the overtaking of trains stopping at potential new stations at Thorpe Park and Osmondthorpe/Killingbeck? Also should we bother with increasing linespeeds through Garforth if a bypass using the HS2 alignment is built?
Interestingly everyone seems to be very tight lipped as to what exactly will happen at Church Fenton in respect of the possibility of using the intended HS2 alignment to bypass the curve which is supposedly paramount to maintaining line speeds and reducing journey times. A new highway is being built in order to remove the level crossing at Rose lane and an additional line from the station up to Poulters crossing is shown on the maps at a recent meeting at Church Fenton. Land owners have been told that the original HS2 route will continue to be safe guarded but trying to get answers as to how long and what the plans are is proving difficult to say the least.
 

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The main point of interest for non-locals seems to be that the line towards Leeds will be widened to three tracks for a short distance from the junction.
 

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AIUI, the route from Man Vic to Standedge Tunnel W will be using Series 2 (i.e. Bonomi) equipment, with Standedge Tunnel E to Huddersfield, Huddersfield to Leeds, Leeds to Micklefield & Micklefield to Church Fenton using SICAT equipment as per York - Church Fenton.
Interesting, I get the impression that the NWEP team and contractors have been moved over to TRU west. Is this correct?

If so it’s quite a common sense move to keep the same personnel, experience and expertise together and for them to stick to what they now and not introduce the unfamiliar SICAT design.

So to add to what @snowball mentioned about lengthening the section of three-track leaving Church Fenton in the Leeds direction, I’ve created an illustration to explain why this is.
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The main question I have is whether the pillar for the overbridge will be moved or removed in order to shallow the curve of the through line to support a higher linespeed when the time comes to raise and redeck the overbridge.
 
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Interesting, I get the impression that the NWEP team and contractors have been moved over to TRU west. Is this correct?

If so it’s quite a common sense move to keep the same personnel, experience and expertise together and for them to stick to what they now and not introduce the unfamiliar SICAT design.
It wouldn't surprise me if they had; Amey were the last contractor on the route (after Balfour Beatty and Carillion).
 

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When is electrification of Standedge Tunnel due to Start?
Apart from a general commitment to "full TPU electrification" in the Integrated Rail Plan, there are no details of how/when the Stalybridge-Huddersfield section will be wired.
Network Rail has to design a solution first, before there's any thought of boots on the ground.
I think the same is true for Church Fenton-Neville Hill.
Each section will have to be authorised by the DfT as well.
 

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Forget Standedge Tunnel, there’s also the remodelling of remodelling of Stalybridge and the Mossley terraced houses in close proximity to the railway quagmire to deal with as well.

If you want my sixpence I’d say that Stalybridge should still be remodelled to favour Victoria as it is unlikely that anything heading to Piccadilly would skip Stalybridge, even with the IRP announcement.
 

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Forget Standedge Tunnel, there’s also the remodelling of remodelling of Stalybridge and the Mossley terraced houses in close proximity to the railway quagmire to deal with as well.
These are all engineering challenges no doubt, but at the end of the day that's what engineers are paid to sort out. Not wishing to be overly blasé but we've been electrifying railways for over a hundred years.
 

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If you want my sixpence I’d say that Stalybridge should still be remodelled to favour Victoria as it is unlikely that anything heading to Piccadilly would skip Stalybridge, even with the IRP announcement.
The new NPR line from Marsden to Piccadilly will bypass Stalybridge. With 6tph of fast Leeds to Manchester services routed that way, it seems likely that all residual passenger trains on the old line will call at Stalybridge, whether heading to Piccadilly or Victoria.
 

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The new NPR line from Marsden to Piccadilly will bypass Stalybridge. With 6tph of fast Leeds to Manchester services routed that way, it seems likely that all residual passenger trains on the old line will call at Stalybridge, whether heading to Piccadilly or Victoria.
And Standedge too, ISTR. I still wonder how the post-IRP NPR will affect Huddersfield; while I imagine that Marsden - Hudds will go 4-track to separate the fast & slow services, the problem of what to do on the approach to the west remains as I think Gledholt & Hudds Tunnels will remain as-is.
 

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while I imagine that Marsden - Hudds will go 4-track to separate the fast & slow services,
The IPR document said 3 or 4 track. I inferred it will be long 3rd track loops, otherwise you have to take out the speed increases that were achieved by slewing two tracks around on an old 4 track trackbed. I'm assuming old 4 track standards don't really allow for 4 track now, especially considering the engineering and slope challenges.
 

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Each section will have to be authorised by the DfT as well.

—— and the Treasury.

strictly speaking, HMT do the authorising. DfT ‘just’ endorse it forward to them.

while I imagine that Marsden - Hudds will go 4-track to separate the fast & slow services, the problem of what to do on the approach to the west remains as I think Gledholt & Hudds Tunnels will remain as-is.

my guess is three tracks. Two uphill and one down. (Although the second uphill should be bidi, but with ETCS this is essentially ‘free’)
 

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my guess is three tracks. Two uphill and one down. (Although the second uphill should be bidi, but with ETCS this is essentially ‘free’)

Is this Huddersfield to Marsden capacity enhancement within the scope of TRU (Option G?), or is it a NPR add-on?
It would make sense to do them as part of the NPR planning. If there's only space for three tracks in places between Marsden and Huddersfield, then it would make sense for one bore of the new NPR tunnel to be extended all the way to Huddersfield. Is there scope to bring it up to the surface alongside the other tunnel portals immediately to the south of Huddersfield throat? That would give 4 tracks all the way to Dewsbury.
 

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It would make sense to do them as part of the NPR planning. If there's only space for three tracks in places between Marsden and Huddersfield, then it would make sense for one bore of the new NPR tunnel to be extended all the way to Huddersfield. Is there scope to bring it up to the surface alongside the other tunnel portals immediately to the south of Huddersfield throat? That would give 4 tracks all the way to Dewsbury.
Thought Huddersfield was outside the scope of NPR
 

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It would make sense to do them as part of the NPR planning. If there's only space for three tracks in places between Marsden and Huddersfield, then it would make sense for one bore of the new NPR tunnel to be extended all the way to Huddersfield. Is there scope to bring it up to the surface alongside the other tunnel portals immediately to the south of Huddersfield throat? That would give 4 tracks all the way to Dewsbury.
The switches and crossings at station throat at that end is partially inside Huddersfield tunnel, particularly the crossover from the Up main to the Penistone line. Whilst the Sheffield line can be disregarded in NPR terms, integrating a quasi-high-speed line into what will be fast line platforms (current 1 & 4, future 2 & 3) underneath the bus station/ring road would be very tricky.

Also speaking of Dewsbury, are the plans now to extend the 4-tracking beyond the new junction at Ravensthorpe? Previous plans showed the Leeds lines going back to double after the flyover. As I've said multiple times before, four tracks through Dewsbury station would actually slow trains down rather than speeding fast services up, due to the alignment of the structures either side.
 

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