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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

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My understanding is that it was initially proposed as a way of making 6-car workings possible- with running to Wakefield Kirkgate in order to avoid blocking up the whole of platform 4 at Huddersfield. IIRC the plan was to run there ECS, not in service- but I believe that's changed.
ISTR before the first lockdown you could find these services on RTT from the May 2020 timetable change and I do remember them being in passenger service starting from Wakefield Kirkgate, with an ECS movement from WKK to WKK.
 
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ISTR before the first lockdown you could find these services on RTT from the May 2020 timetable change and I do remember them being in passenger service starting from Wakefield Kirkgate, with an ECS movement from WKK to WKK.
I think it was initially proposed to run ECS simply to get the stock out of the way. This later switched to running in service, though I'm not sure what prompted the change. Possibly it was always the plan, but required changes to TPE's franchise agreement (remember those? ;) ) to serve Kirkgate before it could be made official.

As I understand it, the intermittent diverted Sheffield services did not serve Kirkgate as a passenger call, and only stopped there to reverse.
 

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Timings I assume. A 1 minute dwell at Huddersfield was not sufficient time for a conductor to dispose of the train. So the plan involved running in service non stop to Wakefield Kirkgate and doing the disposal duties there.
 

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Timings I assume. A 1 minute dwell at Huddersfield was not sufficient time for a conductor to dispose of the train. So the plan involved running in service non stop to Wakefield Kirkgate and doing the disposal duties there.
Makes sense. Certainly such a service would do reasonably well with Northern having largely abandoned the corridor, though running non-stop would mean not capturing the schools traffic to and from Mirfield.
 

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Ravensthorpe has a wide variety of zero-rated takeaways. It is also best avoided during the day and certainly at night
Many many moons ago a takeaway in the Ravensthorpe area was involved in the disappearance of many local cats.
 

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It being now Friday 3rd Dec, the Huddersfield to Westtown public inquiry is apparently due to end today.
It actually ended on Wednesday 8th:

THE NETWORK RAIL (HUDDERSFIELD TO WESTTOWN
(DEWSBURY) IMPROVEMENTS) ORDER 20[]
PUBLIC INQUIRY
NOTICE OF THE CLOSURE OF THE INQUIRY
The Environment Agency has today withdrawn its objection in
relation to the Flood Risk Assessment prepared by Network Rail as
part of the Environmental Statement submitted with the application
for the Transport and Works Act Order. As a result it will not be
necessary for the Inquiry to be resumed on Thursday 9 December
to consider this objection as was provisionally agreed when the
Inquiry was adjourned on Friday 3 December.
I give formal notice that the Inquiry is now closed with immediate
effect.
No additional documents should be submitted to the Inspectors
after the issue of this notice. Any further correspondence
concerning the matters considered at the Inquiry should be directed
to the respective Case Teams in the Departments for Transport (in
respect of the Order, deemed planning permission and the
Certificates requested under S19 of the Acquisition of Land Act
1981) or the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and
Communities (in respect of the applications for Listed Building
Consent).
Paul Singleton
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8 December 2021
 

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Can we keep this for infrastructure progress updates relating to the Transpennine Route Upgrade please? Thanks :)
 

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In terms of Stalybridge to Victoria. This week travelled on the airport service to Piccadilly, nothing new in terms of piles noticed although time of day and weather didn't help me with that. However you can see OLE components being pre assembled at the compound they have built just to the east of Miles Platting on the North side of the line.
 

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In terms of Stalybridge to Victoria. This week travelled on the airport service to Piccadilly, nothing new in terms of piles noticed although time of day and weather didn't help me with that. However you can see OLE components being pre assembled at the compound they have built just to the east of Miles Platting on the North side of the line.
No doubt somewhere in the 5049 posts on this topic is the dates for going live on this section? You'd think the NR site might give a clue but i can't see any dates - they can't even forecast what the plan is for 2022 works!
 

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No doubt somewhere in the 5049 posts on this topic is the dates for going live on this section? You'd think the NR site might give a clue but i can't see any dates - they can't even forecast what the plan is for 2022 works!
The Integrated Rail Plan, published last month, includes a very unclear time chart showing completion of Manchester-Stalybridge some time in the 2020s. Other than that, nothing has been published about even a start date for erecting masts, let alone a completion date. The "dashboard" site claims on the one hand that piling for mast foundations (started in April) is 40% complete, and on the other hand that that job will be completed by the end of this year!
 
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The Integrated Rail Plan, published last month, includes a very unclear time chart showing completion of Manchester-Stalybridge some time in the 2020s. Other than that, nothing has been published about even a start date for erecting masts, let alone a completion date. The "dashboard" site claims on the one hand that piling for mast foundations (started in April) is 40% complete, and on the other hand that that job will be completed by the end of this year!
So i thought the regional strategic plans which were updated in May 21 might give a clue as to what is happening. Nope nothing there either although plenty of detail on renewals and opex expenditure but most regions plans are bereft of detail on enhancements expenditure just a headline number. Still we haven't had a global update of the Rail Network Enhancements Pipeline (RNEP) for over two years although perhaps now the IRP is issued they will be able to finally refresh it.
 

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I have gained an impression for many years that NR's updating of their project information websites is, to say the least, often not that great so therefore I would imagine that at least as good a judgement can be made by those that simply observe progress on the ground.
 

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When is the time frame to start to see wires appearing Church Fenton to Colton, or masts Bromley Street to Stalybridge? There looks to be a pause on works carried out, but the site compounds are growing with materials ready.
 

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The Q&A bit of the Victoria to Stalybridge dashboard does say steel work will start going up before the end of the year. However as others have said they have not yet announced the route will be wired. Maybe something will start to go up during the Christmas and New Year blockades.
 

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When is the time frame to start to see wires appearing Church Fenton to Colton, or masts Bromley Street to Stalybridge? There looks to be a pause on works carried out, but the site compounds are growing with materials ready.
When funding for it is actually confirmed ?
 

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I am currently with two Network Rail staff members, one works at Milton Keynes and is adamant that the whole route between York and Manchester is to be electrified. The other (who works in York) says that this has not yet been authorised. I must say I am not sure!
What is the current position, please?
 

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I am currently with two Network Rail staff members, one works at Milton Keynes and is adamant that the whole route between York and Manchester is to be electrified. The other (who works in York) says that this has not yet been authorised. I must say I am not sure!
What is the current position, please?
Both could be true?
 

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I am currently with two Network Rail staff members, one works at Milton Keynes and is adamant that the whole route between York and Manchester is to be electrified. The other (who works in York) says that this has not yet been authorised. I must say I am not sure!
What is the current position, please?

They are both right.
 

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I am currently with two Network Rail staff members, one works at Milton Keynes and is adamant that the whole route between York and Manchester is to be electrified. The other (who works in York) says that this has not yet been authorised. I must say I am not sure!
What is the current position, please?
Both are correct. The government has stated its intention to fully electrify the line. But the actual authorisation for contracts to be let, detailed design work to start etc. is not yet forthcoming.
 

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And for good reason. A policy declaration is like a blank cheque, it has to proceed at any cost. Better first to work out a reasonable scheme, optimise it, then decide to implement it. This way, the jig saw pieces seem to be coming along nicely.

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A scheme which seems reasonable to anyone connected to the railways, or reasonable to the Treasury?
 

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They are both right.

I'm interested to dig a little into semantics- is the line, or the route, to be fully electrified?

The former I'd take as a plan to electrify despite the Standedge/Mossley difficulties- the latter I'd interpret as wires Hudds-Marsden, and thence an electrified NPR line to Piccadilly, but Marsden-Stalybridge remaining a diesel (or battery?) island.
 

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I'm interested to dig a little into semantics- is the line, or the route, to be fully electrified?
The former I'd take as a plan to electrify despite the Standedge/Mossley difficulties- the latter I'd interpret as wires Hudds-Marsden, and thence an electrified NPR line to Piccadilly, but Marsden-Stalybridge remaining a diesel (or battery?) island.
There's an IRP decision in principle to electrify MML and TRU in full, despite both being "paused" for several years.
Some bits were well advanced in planning terms and are being delivered now: Kettering-Market Harborough, Colton Jn-Church Fenton and Man Vic-Stalybridge.
Other sections will follow once Network Rail has established the costs and gained DfT approval for the spend.
Huddersfield-Dewsbury is the first of those, maybe getting approval in 2022 after the TWAO public inquiry.

The NPR new lines are right at the start of planning, so it will be a year or two before alignments and costs can be proposed.
NR also has to plan (electrified) routes between Sheffield and Leeds, and between Liverpool and Warrington BQLL, for HS2/NPR traffic.
TRU is also supposed to be suitable for freight which means gauge clearance as well as wiring.
 

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The former I'd take as a plan to electrify despite the Standedge/Mossley difficulties- the latter I'd interpret as wires Hudds-Marsden, and thence an electrified NPR line to Piccadilly, but Marsden-Stalybridge remaining a diesel (or battery?) island.
One of the 802’s is in the process of having a Diesel engine removed and replaced by battery equipment

I wouldn’t be surprised if the plan to ‘electrify between Man and York’ includes the use of battery power
 

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The former I'd take as a plan to electrify despite the Standedge/Mossley difficulties- the latter I'd interpret as wires Hudds-Marsden, and thence an electrified NPR line to Piccadilly, but Marsden-Stalybridge remaining a diesel (or battery?) island.
It is (sadly) necessary yet again to say that there are NO Standedge difficulties. It's just a tunnel, and not a narrow or low one either. You could even re-open one of the single bores for single-line working and electrify it first to ensure that you didn't delay the overall scheme while you had the luxury of long posessions in the main tunnel.
Mossley is also do-able with a bit of initiative, something as simple as a thin-shelled protective concrete tunnel would suffice.
Why handicap electric trains (capacity and energy consumptuion) by making them carry around batteries and control gear for the 95% of the route that wouldn't need it?
 

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Mossley is also do-able with a bit of initiative, something as simple as a thin-shelled protective concrete tunnel would suffice.
Wouldn't that mean people getting a concrete wall a few feet in front of their windows?
 

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