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Strange HST consist at Bristol Temple Meads (BRI)

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GC don't use TGS, so there is no need for a coach A which is the normal use for a TGS. however i may get corrected on this

Might be wrong on this GC HST COACH lettering;

B- STANDARD CLASS
C- STANDARD CLASS
D- STANDARD CLASS
E- BUFFET
F- 1ST CLASS
G- 1ST CLASS (Although not used at the moment if i'm correct)

GC currently run 2+5 formation with the capacity to run 2+6
 
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GC don't use TGS, so there is no need for a coach A which is the normal use for a TGS. however i may get corrected on this

Might be wrong on this GC HST COACH lettering;

B- STANDARD CLASS
C- STANDARD CLASS
D- STANDARD CLASS
E- BUFFET
F- 1ST CLASS
G- 1ST CLASS (Although not used at the moment if i'm correct)

GC currently run 2+5 formation with the capacity to run 2+6

Yes, I'm sure You are correct, but why can the fist carriage not be a coach A, after all, that's where the alphabet starts.

But, You failed to take into consideration that this wasn't a HST, as it's a Bradford Train.

Considering Your Addy, I would have thought You'd know that anyway.
 

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Well they had an extra carriage at the front of the tai nthis morning becuase i got a declassified 1st Class coach (real first class was on the back)
 

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However since Hull is not electrified it is strange that DVTs and LHCS would be there with a 91. Was it definitely at Hull (not Donny for example?) Alternatively it could possibly been a scratch rake called into service in a shortage around that time when the coaches and DVTs could have been sitting there spare??

As LE Greys has mentioned, about five HST TGS vehicles were modified with buffers at one end to allow class 91s to be attached to that end of the mark 3 formation in the early days of testing and operation of the 91s on the ECML, before enough mk 4s became available. The HST surrogate DVT was at the south end coupled to first class. Once the operation of 91s + mk3s was over, these five TGS vehicles were released into general use in the HST fleet, still with buffers, and IIRC ended up split between East Coast and Crosscountry operations. I'll see if I can dig out the numbers later.

Yes, I'm sure You are correct, but why can the fist carriage not be a coach A, after all, that's where the alphabet starts.

But, You failed to take into consideration that this wasn't a HST, as it's a Bradford Train.
Intercity train formations in the UK are filled with discrepancies with missing coach letters. In the case of Grand Central, it seems that the Coach A designation has been retained for any possible and currently unintended insertion of a TGS into the formation in the distant future. A bit peculiar, but seeing as both the HSTs and 180s are five carriage trains, it therefore makes sense for Grand Central to arrange the carriage lettering for the 180s in the same way to avoid confusion, seeing as Grand Central 180s and HSTs share diagrams on the Sunderland runs.
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Well they had an extra carriage at the front of the tai nthis morning becuase i got a declassified 1st Class coach (real first class was on the back)

There seems to be one set permanently formed like that. I'm not sure about this instance but for the past two years it's hasn't been due to an extra carriage being added to the rake, it's because there aren't sufficient TSOs available.
 

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As LE Greys has mentioned, about five HST TGS vehicles were modified with buffers at one end to allow class 91s to be attached to that end of the mark 3 formation in the early days of testing and operation of the 91s on the ECML, before enough mk 4s became available. The HST surrogate DVT was at the south end coupled to first class. Once the operation of 91s + mk3s was over, these five TGS vehicles were released into general use in the HST fleet, still with buffers, and IIRC ended up split between East Coast and Crosscountry operations. I'll see if I can dig out the numbers later.


Intercity train formations in the UK are filled with discrepancies with missing coach letters. In the case of Grand Central, it seems that the Coach A designation has been retained for any possible and currently unintended insertion of a TGS into the formation in the distant future. A bit peculiar, but seeing as both the HSTs and 180s are five carriage trains, it therefore makes sense for Grand Central to arrange the carriage lettering for the 180s in the same way to avoid confusion, seeing as Grand Central 180s and HSTs share diagrams on the Sunderland runs.
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There seems to be one set permanently formed like that. I'm not sure about this instance but for the past two years it's hasn't been due to an extra carriage being added to the rake, it's because there aren't sufficient TSOs available.

And this makes the traveling publics life easier how?

HST Power car could be A I supose, but the pointy bit on a 180 is B.
 

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And this makes the traveling publics life easier how?

Because it means that peoples' seat reservations are still there when an HST works a service booked for a 180 and vice versa, and generally keeps the train formations standard. Most train passengers are never going to realise that there isn't a coach A in the first place: Either they buy a ticket at the station on the day and find the nearest unoccupied seat in the carriage they have boarded, or they look at their seat reservation printed on their advance purchase ticket and find said seat. At no point will the fact that the trains' coach letters start at B concern them.
 

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GC are running 6 coach HSTs in 1+5 formation and have been for some time! The 4th standard coach at the north end is frequently a declassified TF (with broken heating the last two times I've used it)
 
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