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A prediction - Some of the quieter used ticket offices at stations will probably have hours cut back, nothing will close outright (unless it's a very quiet ticket office)

Maybe the ticket office at Glasgow Central low level will close with any passengers who need to use a ticket office (rather than buying the ticket they need via a TVM) sent to the main ticket office at the station.
 
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A prediction - Some of the quieter used ticket offices at stations will probably have hours cut back, nothing will close outright (unless it's a very quiet ticket office)

Maybe the ticket office at Glasgow Central low level will close with any passengers who need to use a ticket office (rather than buying the ticket they need via a TVM) sent to the main ticket office at the station.
Well the Abellio way in the Netherlands is to have ticket machines at most stations and ticket barriers. The ones which do have a ticket office you pay a supplement to use them.
 

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Well the Abellio way in the Netherlands is to have ticket machines at most stations and ticket barriers. The ones which do have a ticket office you pay a supplement to use them.
I doubt Abellio will have much say on any changes, given the rapidly diminishing period of tenure as franchise holder. I would imagine TS are already calling all the shots given the financial support needed for the business because of COVID.
 

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ScotRail report suggesting 1000 jobs could be axed slammed​

Trade union bosses have expressed anger at the report, which questions the viability of ticket offices in the future.
Anger: Trade union bosses slam ScotRail report.
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A ScotRail report suggesting 1000 jobs could be at risk and questioning if ticket offices will remain has been slammed by unions and politicians.
Trade union bosses have expressed anger after an internal report on the future of ScotRail questions whether “the provision of ticket offices is viable in the future” as the service begins to recover following the Covid-19 crisis.
The report also suggests that the franchise, currently owned by Abellio but due to enter public ownership next year, could make a permanent 10 per cent cut to services.
The National Union of Rail, Maritime, and Transport Workers (RMT) claims this would mean more than 85,000 services being cut annually and a loss of more than 1000 jobs.
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The union has claimed the report seeks to “legitimise damaging cuts to Scotland’s rail network”, in a move that be a “kick in the teeth” to staff who have been key workers throughout the pandemic.
Trade union bosses also believe it runs counter to the country’s climate change targets.
Transport Scotland said both it and the Scottish Government had no involvement in the report, while ScotRail claimed the report is not a formal proposal but contains recommendations on the future of the railway post-pandemic.
RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch said: “This report is a blatant attempt to further a cuts agenda that will be devastating for Scotland’s railway.
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“On the one hand, the report rightly acknowledges that Scotland’s rail network has a central role to play in meeting climate-change targets, yet it goes on to advocate service cuts, ticket office closures, and job losses.
“This will make Scotland’s railway far less safe, secure, and accessible for passengers and runs counter to Scotland’s net-zero targets.
“With COP26 taking place in Scotland in November, and ScotRail coming into public ownership in eight months’ time, we need an alternative future for Scotland’s railway that values passengers and staff, and invests in creating a sustainable, affordable, and accessible rail network.”
The report was made by Professor Iain Docherty, a former non-executive director of ScotRail and Transport Scotland, and talks of the changes seen during the pandemic, and of the ‘unique platform’ to ‘reduce staff costs quickly’.
The report states: “There is also a clear opportunity to explore how digital technologies and automation of certain functions could reduce revenue spend, but this will require addressing ‘difficult’ cultural and political questions.”
ScotRail is facing a financial crisis in the wake of the pandemic and is currently surviving off an emergency taxpayer support of more than £400m.
The franchise is coming under state control in March 2022, with Dutch-owned Abellio being stripped of the franchise three years early following an outcry over service failings and rising costs to taxpayers.
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Scottish Conservatives transport minister Graham Simpson said: “The logic behind this report is deeply flawed.
“We want to see simpler fares and we want to make travelling by train easier, but you don’t do that by closing ticket offices. Not everyone will be able to buy tickets digitally, so this kind of idea risks creating a travelling underclass.
“We should be looking to invest in and expand our rail network and not follow this slash and burn approach.”
Scottish Labour slammed the proposals, calling them “irresponsible”.
Labour party transport spokesman Neil Bibby said: “This is an explosive report that appears to propose permanent cuts to pre-pandemic rail services of at least ten per cent.
“This would be economically, socially and environmentally irresponsible.
“The Transport Minister must immediately clarify the status of this report and rule out retrograde cuts to the rail network.
“We should be building up rail services, not cutting them back and cutting jobs across Scotland’s network.
“Labour stands with passengers and the workforce in the fight against cuts.”
A Transport Scotland spokesman said: “Transport Scotland is pressing ahead to put in place arrangements to mobilise a wholly owned company of the Scottish Government to provide ScotRail services when the current franchise expires as expected on March 31, 2022.
“Permission from the Government was not required by Abellio to commission this report and Scottish Government and Transport Scotland officials did not hold any discussions with Professor Docherty in relation to his report.
“Transport Scotland, as part of the Rail Recovery Task Force, uses Transport Focus’s passenger pulse research to identify the changing priorities and requirements of rail passengers during and post Covid-19.
“This also provides a platform to assess the scale and pace of recovery from Covid and, in particular, the potential to move towards our policy vision of an integrated public sector controlled railway.”
A ScotRail spokesman said: “We are seeing a gradual increase in the number of customers returning to the railway due to the easing of travel restrictions and coronavirus controls, but with passenger numbers at only 50% of the pre-Covid level, this is not the time to put that recovery in jeopardy.
“Railway jobs are being put at risk by the reckless actions of the RMT and we are urging union bosses to call off divisive strikes and false narratives.”

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ScotRail report suggesting 1000 jobs could be axed slammed​

Trade union bosses have expressed anger at the report, which questions the viability of ticket offices in the future.
Anger: Trade union bosses slam ScotRail report.
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Anger: Trade union bosses slam ScotRail report.
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A ScotRail report suggesting 1000 jobs could be at risk and questioning if ticket offices will remain has been slammed by unions and politicians.
Trade union bosses have expressed anger after an internal report on the future of ScotRail questions whether “the provision of ticket offices is viable in the future” as the service begins to recover following the Covid-19 crisis.
The report also suggests that the franchise, currently owned by Abellio but due to enter public ownership next year, could make a permanent 10 per cent cut to services.
The National Union of Rail, Maritime, and Transport Workers (RMT) claims this would mean more than 85,000 services being cut annually and a loss of more than 1000 jobs.
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The union has claimed the report seeks to “legitimise damaging cuts to Scotland’s rail network”, in a move that be a “kick in the teeth” to staff who have been key workers throughout the pandemic.
Trade union bosses also believe it runs counter to the country’s climate change targets.
Transport Scotland said both it and the Scottish Government had no involvement in the report, while ScotRail claimed the report is not a formal proposal but contains recommendations on the future of the railway post-pandemic.
RMT General Secretary Mick Lynch said: “This report is a blatant attempt to further a cuts agenda that will be devastating for Scotland’s railway.
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“On the one hand, the report rightly acknowledges that Scotland’s rail network has a central role to play in meeting climate-change targets, yet it goes on to advocate service cuts, ticket office closures, and job losses.
“This will make Scotland’s railway far less safe, secure, and accessible for passengers and runs counter to Scotland’s net-zero targets.
“With COP26 taking place in Scotland in November, and ScotRail coming into public ownership in eight months’ time, we need an alternative future for Scotland’s railway that values passengers and staff, and invests in creating a sustainable, affordable, and accessible rail network.”
The report was made by Professor Iain Docherty, a former non-executive director of ScotRail and Transport Scotland, and talks of the changes seen during the pandemic, and of the ‘unique platform’ to ‘reduce staff costs quickly’.
The report states: “There is also a clear opportunity to explore how digital technologies and automation of certain functions could reduce revenue spend, but this will require addressing ‘difficult’ cultural and political questions.”
ScotRail is facing a financial crisis in the wake of the pandemic and is currently surviving off an emergency taxpayer support of more than £400m.
The franchise is coming under state control in March 2022, with Dutch-owned Abellio being stripped of the franchise three years early following an outcry over service failings and rising costs to taxpayers.
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Scottish Conservatives transport minister Graham Simpson said: “The logic behind this report is deeply flawed.
“We want to see simpler fares and we want to make travelling by train easier, but you don’t do that by closing ticket offices. Not everyone will be able to buy tickets digitally, so this kind of idea risks creating a travelling underclass.
“We should be looking to invest in and expand our rail network and not follow this slash and burn approach.”
Scottish Labour slammed the proposals, calling them “irresponsible”.
Labour party transport spokesman Neil Bibby said: “This is an explosive report that appears to propose permanent cuts to pre-pandemic rail services of at least ten per cent.
“This would be economically, socially and environmentally irresponsible.
“The Transport Minister must immediately clarify the status of this report and rule out retrograde cuts to the rail network.
“We should be building up rail services, not cutting them back and cutting jobs across Scotland’s network.
“Labour stands with passengers and the workforce in the fight against cuts.”
A Transport Scotland spokesman said: “Transport Scotland is pressing ahead to put in place arrangements to mobilise a wholly owned company of the Scottish Government to provide ScotRail services when the current franchise expires as expected on March 31, 2022.
“Permission from the Government was not required by Abellio to commission this report and Scottish Government and Transport Scotland officials did not hold any discussions with Professor Docherty in relation to his report.
“Transport Scotland, as part of the Rail Recovery Task Force, uses Transport Focus’s passenger pulse research to identify the changing priorities and requirements of rail passengers during and post Covid-19.
“This also provides a platform to assess the scale and pace of recovery from Covid and, in particular, the potential to move towards our policy vision of an integrated public sector controlled railway.”
A ScotRail spokesman said: “We are seeing a gradual increase in the number of customers returning to the railway due to the easing of travel restrictions and coronavirus controls, but with passenger numbers at only 50% of the pre-Covid level, this is not the time to put that recovery in jeopardy.
“Railway jobs are being put at risk by the reckless actions of the RMT and we are urging union bosses to call off divisive strikes and false narratives.”
 
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Unite now balloting for strike action:
ScotRail’s pay talks with unions have collapsed and strike action could be imminent amid claims the Scottish Government told the train operator not to offer pay rises.

Thanks to whoever posted this story on scot-rail
 

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And what does the union want Abellio to do about it? The purse strings are being controlled by the Scottish government and if they no it's not a lot Abellio can do about it. Especially coming up to the last 6 months before the end of contract
 

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The drivers must be having a ball on Sundays. Presume it’s just sign on from home unless needed to move anything.
Up to a point, but there are still booked spare turns that have to come in and sit a few hours, and also a few turns that are taxi one way and bring a set ECS the other, in order to balance things out for the Monday morning, plus the obvious late / night turns that set yards and stations up for the following day.
 

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Up to a point, but there are still booked spare turns that have to come in and sit a few hours, and also a few turns that are taxi one way and bring a set ECS the other, in order to balance things out for the Monday morning, plus the obvious late / night turns that set yards and stations up for the following day.
That’s what I thought. Thanks for clarifying.
 

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Guys and Gals I'm a noobie here and speaking as a customer im trying to figure out this dispute thats been going on for 5 months and seeing if I should be supporting one side more than the other.

could I ask one question to start off with....

Are the conductors contractual required to work a set amount of rest days and is this payment done as pro rata or are you paid the rest day hours when you actually clock in and do the hours?

Hope I make sense :smile:
 

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Don't think this has been posted yet but RMT have voted for further strikes:

Passengers face prolonged ScotRail train cancellations after RMT votes to continue strikes​


The Scotsman understands the Sunday stoppages are likely to continue until at least November, including during the Cop26 climate change conference in Glasgow.

Members of the Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) voted by more than 80 per cent to continue striking as part of their dispute over being paid less than drivers for working on days off. Continued action was backed by 384 votes to 93, with 477 of the eligible 621 workers taking part in the ballot. Industrial action short of a strike was supported by 429 votes to 48.

The RMT said its national executive committee was considering the result and a decision on further action would be announced shortly. The vote was required by law after six months of the original ballot to permit action to continue.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: "This is a stunning result and I want to congratulate our members who have stood firm for over six months in this fight for pay justice and equality in the face of outrageous provocation from the employer." "Our campaign of action continues and it is now down to ScotRail and their political masters to take this key group of staff seriously, to stop snubbing talks and to get round the table with the union to negotiate a fair and just settlement."

The strikes have continued every Sunday since March 28, halting virtually all ScotRail services outside the Glasgow area. The dispute was triggered by ScotRail agreeing with train drivers’ union Aslef to continue a previous deal for enhanced “rest day” working payments because the pandemic had forced the suspension of driver training to fill gaps caused by drivers retiring or moving to other jobs. ScotRail said it was facing its most serious financial crisis because of the Covid pandemic and no extra money was available for the RMT’s demands.

A spokesperson said: “Industrial action is completely wrong at a time when we are seeing a gradual increase in the number of customers, but with passenger numbers at only 50 per cent of the pre-Covid level, this is not the time to put that recovery in jeopardy." “Railway jobs are being put at risk by the reckless actions of the RMT and we are urging union bosses to think again and call off industrial action.”

The operator said it was only surviving through emergency taxpayer support of more than £400 million, which had nearly doubled such funding. It said the lifeline had enabled the firm to avoid redundancies, furlough, wage cuts or staff benefits being reduced. ScotRail said the 50 per cent increase in overtime payments sought by the RMT would see no additional hours worked. It said in the current “stark environment” of passenger numbers and revenue still down, the top priority was recovery of the railway.

The operator said it appreciated “the hard work of everyone to keep key workers moving during the pandemic” but the focus should be on “making the railway an attractive travel option for passengers”.
 

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Clearly the Guards feel very strongly about this issue given the vote, but no-one is going to win from this, and I can't help wondering where the RMT think the money is going to come from to pay their claim; It can only be the taxpayer, so less to spend on the NHS or schools, for example, in order to pay rail staff more for overtime. And given the fact that Scotrail have not changed their stance after five months of this dispute, what is going to change now ?
 

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What the press release doesn't say, as far as I know, is the % turnout in the vote. I know there's a threshold for the vote to be valid, since 20% voted against, I wonder what the underlying support is.
 

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What the press release doesn't say, as far as I know, is the % turnout in the vote. I know there's a threshold for the vote to be valid, since 20% voted against, I wonder what the underlying support is.
Continued action was backed by 384 votes to 93, with 477 of the eligible 621 workers taking part in the ballot.

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I'm not working out the percentage but that's the answer I believe from the press release :)
 

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It will be interesting to see what happens when the drivers go in. I think their deal expires next month. Overtime payment a cert to be continued, will have to wait and see what happens with pay.
 

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Emphasis added

I'm not working out the percentage but that's the answer I believe from the press release :)
Thanks. The short version I read didn't include that important data. What was the % support last time?

As far as the drivers, I assume that the cohort which completed their classroom studies before Covid19 must now now be completing their assessments on actual trains. Combined with the reduction in services, how many drivers short are they?
 

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As far as the drivers, I assume that the cohort which completed their classroom studies before Covid19 must now now be completing their assessments on actual trains.

I don't know, but I wouldn't bet on that.
 

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So 144 couldn't be bothered to vote on such an important issue.......
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Not necessarily. Some of that number could have been unable to vote (e.g. currently hospitalised), or their ballot paper could have been delayed in its return and arrived after the deadline, or their vote could have been rejected. Others could have deliberately made a choice not to vote. Although I'm sure some "couldn't be bothered".
 
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Guys and Gals I'm a noobie here and speaking as a customer im trying to figure out this dispute thats been going on for 5 months and seeing if I should be supporting one side more than the other.

could I ask one question to start off with....

Are the conductors contractual required to work a set amount of rest days and is this payment done as pro rata or are you paid the rest day hours when you actually clock in and do the hours?

Hope I make sense :smile:
Yes, they are required to work some Sundays, typically around one in three, in what some call compulsory overtime. Sunday is not classed as part of the working week. Conductors can request not to be booked for one of those shifts but that will only be granted if someone else can be found to cover it. Sundays are paid as overtime for the hours they work, with a minimum payment of 8 hours. They are not required to undertake overtime on any other day of the week although many volunteer to do so.

While the numbers of conductors was below that required to operate without rest day working an extra incentive overtime payment was agreed. This would stop when the numbers reached the required level, which it now has. RMT agreed to this but, because the drivers are still getting it, RMT have changed their mind and feel their conductors and ticket examiners are being treated unfairly, hence the dispute.

Hope this helps

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61.8% of eligible workers voted to continue so still a solid yes.
I would hardly call less than two thirds a sold yes. I noted that the RMT press release focussed on the 80% yes vote ( of those who voted) rather the statistic above. I think we can safely assume that those who did not vote are less than enthusiastic about continuing this dispute
 
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ScotRail should give the RMT an ultimatam. Either honour the agreement they made and get the conductors/guards back working as normal, or fit gates/barriers or staff on platforms at every single station on the network to check tickets meaning people have no option but to buy before they board and then just run everything DOO. I'm sure the threat of paying off a number of on-train staff and switching to DOO would give them a wee shake.
 

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I would hardly call less than two thirds a sold yes. I noted that the RMT press release focussed on the 80% yes vote ( of those who voted) rather the statistic above. I think we can safely assume that those who did not vote are less than enthusiastic about continuing this dispute
Not voting could have been an attempt to reduce the participation to a level where the result would have been invalid. I'd certainly have been tempted to do that.
 

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ScotRail should give the RMT an ultimatam. Either honour the agreement they made and get the conductors/guards back working as normal, or fit gates/barriers or staff on platforms at every single station on the network to check tickets meaning people have no option but to buy before they board and then just run everything DOO. I'm sure the threat of paying off a number of on-train staff and switching to DOO would give them a wee shake.
An expansion of DOO might indeed be the ultimate result of the dispute. But it's not certainly not an overnight process. Most crucially of all, it would require ASLEF agreement - for which they would no doubt want a significant pay rise, if they're at all interested.

Also there's no chance that every station will be barriered. Can you imagine the WHL shacks with barriers? :lol:

However, as ever the Pareto principle applies - you only need to barrier 20% of the stations to catch 80% of the revenue. Scotrail is already ahead a lot of the English TOCs in terms of barriering stations.
 
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