Stagecoach North West Discussion

[mbonwick]

You have my sympathy Gez!

Actually, come to think of it, all 3 Leylands were out today, though 14208 only did a staff shuttle (that I saw).

I keep forgetting that the large number of Olys parked up at the bus station at lunch time isn't indicative of the vehicle situation. Moral of the story; stay away from LBS at 1200-1300 unless I'm going home!

 

[rosswatson]

Heard that 52628 is on 301 tonight.....

 

[Cumberland Lad]

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[cainebj]

16447 on 300.
34218 on short 300.
34079 on 47.
47024 on Moorclose 51.
47006 and an LED Solo on Harrington.

14258 went up towards Stainburn at 1305 from Workington. the Profile for 1320 X5 was already in the bus station, and tacho'd 20436 was on the annexe, so I'd have thought that if something broke down on X4 / X5, 20436 would have been sent, not a Leyland. so don't know why it was going up that way!
20473 and 16652 also on annexe.
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47005 is the other bus on Seaton.
20923 ASDA Free Bus.

 

[lui9795]

Can anyone tell me where Marshall Dart T606 JBA ended up? Fairly certain it was ex-Lillyhall before being used by the Police to exhibit stingers. I've seen sister vehicles for sale with Ensign, but not this one.

 

[Mattdw92]

33169 is getting attention, don't know why?

Not that bouncy-castle! bounciest thing at Lillyhall at the time! Hopefully getting ready to be move on from us. Been awaiting its fate for a while!

34218 on short 300.

Be interesting to see how it performs on there, hopefully it won't kill it!

 

[mbonwick]

Can anyone tell me where Marshall Dart T606 JBA ended up? Fairly certain it was ex-Lillyhall before being used by the Police to exhibit stingers. I've seen sister vehicles for sale with Ensign, but not this one.

It went onto disposals this month, and I expect it will follow its siblings to Ensign. So the answer to your question; it's still stored at Lillyhall.
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Tacho's will not be required for X61 when it begins to operate from Chorley on the 9th Jan 2011, neither will the X2 operated from Preston.

I've finally found how this is going to work!

The routes are to be split into 2 halves; X2/2X and X61/61X with neither half requiring a tacho.
Apparently it's perfectly legal for one driver to cover the whole run with no tacho (provided out and back for a half isn't long enough to require a tacho), passengers to buy through tickets and remain on the bus at the midpoint.
All that basically happens is that the number on the front gets changed!

 

[Dallamlad]

It went onto disposals this month, and I expect it will follow its siblings to Ensign. So the answer to your question; it's still stored at Lillyhall.
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I've finally found how this is going to work!

The routes are to be split into 2 halves; X2/2X and X61/61X with neither half requiring a tacho.
Apparently it's perfectly legal for one driver to cover the whole run with no tacho (provided out and back for a half isn't long enough to require a tacho), passengers to buy through tickets and remain on the bus at the midpoint.
All that basically happens is that the number on the front gets changed!

Ahhhhhh cheeky!!!

 

[cainebj]

similar-ish to 86 & 89 then!
Lancaster - Fleetwood via Knott End, split into Lancaster - Knott End 89 and Knott End - Fleetwood 86. "Buses run through Knott End to/from Lancaster as Service 89. A change of bus is not always necessary."

 

[Cumberland Lad]

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[Mattdw92]

Workington local services 46/46A/47 will be returned to 3 bus operation when Calva bridge opens. (which could be early December) This will mean that the 47 will revert back to it's normal route and will alternate between 46 or 46A and 47 as before.

The joy of back to 5 LF's on workington town services! :roll:

 

[cainebj]

Fleet movements for Carlisle:
16329 to seasonal reserve
42090 to disposal
42094 to disposal
Trainer coach 52057 to disposal (D reg Plaxton Paramount)

Fleet movements for Lillyhall:
34218 from Stagecoach Merseyside
42025 to disposal ("electical failure")
90076 (Audi A3, MK60 SUO) from LEX Leasing
93223 (Ford Mondeo, OY57 WEX) to LEX Leasing

Fleet movements for Kendal:
17014 to Seasonal Reserve
17015 to Seasonal Reserve
17016 to Seasonal Reserve

Fleet movements for Barrow:
20478 to BA/Res

Fleet movements for Morecambe:
17022 from BA/Res
21005 from ME/Res

Fleet movements for Preston:
47001 to Chorley Reserve
47002 to Chorley Reserve

No movements for Chorley.

Other movements:
14205 Sold
14250 Sold
14267 from KL/Res to LL/Res
16103 from Manchester to CE/Reserve (then onto Chorley)
20305 Sold
20477 from BA/Res to ME/Res (freshly repainted)
20629 Sold
20786 Sold
20787 Sold
20876 from Merseyside Reserve to Morecambe Reserve
20987 from Merseyside Reserve to Morecambe Reserve
33167 from LL/Res to Disposal
33168 from LL/Res to Disposal
33169 from LL/Res to Disposal
34214 from Merseyside Reserve to Carlisle Reserve
34215 from Merseyside Reserve to Lillyhall Reserve
40021 from LL/Res to Disposal
40040 Sold
40646 from BA/Res to Disposal
40651 from BA/Res to Disposal
40652 from BA/Res to Disposal
42577 from CE/Res to Disposal
Trainer 52291 from Kendal to Carlisle
52408 from CE/Res to Disposal (remained taxed for rail replacement, and cover other duties)
52629 from PR/Res to CE/Res (to remain taxed for rail rep and cover other duties)


Fleet Averages:
Carlisle - average age 2002, accessibility 61%
Lillyhall - average age 2003, accessibility 67%
Kendal - average age 1998, accessibility 45%
Barrow - average age 2002, accessibility 81%
Morecambe - average age 2002, accessibility 69%
Preston - average age 2004, accessibility 85%
Chorley - average age 2005, accessibility 74%


Todays sightings:
20923 Moorclose 50
20945 Moorclose 51
34218 and 47062 (i think) on Seaton 47.
47007 and 47059 (sounding extremely rough) on Harrington Circulars.
34079 on short 300.
16653 on 30 & 31. it left Workington on a 31 to Frizington at 1500, timetabled out 1502. those 2 minutes could make a difference with an old woman stood outside with her shopping having a quick smoke before her bus, as did happen! saying she was p*ssed off just wasn't the word!
16651 staff shuttle before schools. 14258 also flying around.

 

[TCK726]

Nearly right The X61 will be an X61 throughout but with a driver change every time at Chorley, hence why its operation is being transferred there. This is how the 555 works at Kendal.

The 2X will operate between Preston - Southport while the X2 will be Southport - Liverpool. The 2X will change to the X2 at the fire station end of Lord St while the X2 will change to 2X at the Morrisons end, that way Southport visitors will be able to get the same route number back to where they came from wherever they are on Lord St. The advantage is not that drivers will not have to use tachos, but that they can drive for 5 and a half hours rather than 4 and a half. Occasionally at the moment a driver may not make it back to Preston before his 4 and a half hours are up, so he has to transfer his passengers at Penwortham and park his bus up for 45 mins.

A similar thing happens in Eastbourne
http://www.stagecoachbus.com/GetUpload.ashx?Id=6549

I've finally found how this is going to work!

The routes are to be split into 2 halves; X2/2X and X61/61X with neither half requiring a tacho.
Apparently it's perfectly legal for one driver to cover the whole run with no tacho (provided out and back for a half isn't long enough to require a tacho), passengers to buy through tickets and remain on the bus at the midpoint.
All that basically happens is that the number on the front gets changed!

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/GetUpload.ashx?Id=6549

 

[mbonwick]

I've heard that another reason for splitting the X2 is to help driver rostering.
Currently, as it requires a tacho, the pool of drivers are split between Megabus and the X2. As Megabus takes them to London, they have to stay on tacho routes all week, whoich clearly makes rostering difficult.

 

[KendalKing]

The advantage is not that drivers will not have to use tachos, but that they can drive for 5 and a half hours rather than 4 and a half. Occasionally at the moment a driver may not make it back to Preston before his 4 and a half hours are up, so he has to transfer his passengers at Penwortham and park his bus up for 45 mins.

The good old domestic rules Vs EC rules.:roll:

 

[Lilly Hall]

Couple of new arrivals;

http://gallerynorth.fotopic.net/p68164161.html
http://gallerynorth.fotopic.net/p68164164.html

 

[Chris26584]

I've heard that another reason for splitting the X2 is to help driver rostering.
Currently, as it requires a tacho, the pool of drivers are split between Megabus and the X2. As Megabus takes them to London, they have to stay on tacho routes all week, whoich clearly makes rostering difficult.

The X2/X61 and megabus rostas have always been separate but yes your right, in theory ANY driver on whichever rosta they may work can be called upon to drive the X2 as long as they know it and not have to have a tacho or fill in their 'book'. Of course, this will save Stagecoach money in training and drivers who didn't comply to tacho regs.

 

[Cumberland Lad]

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[rosswatson]

Ex Lillyhall K877 GHH / 40040 left the JB Pickthall premises yesterday on a low loader bound for Cobus. It will be returning to Cumbria in the livery which it wore when new (Honister Rambler green and cream).

 

[Cumberland Lad]

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[rosswatson]

Who owns it now?

A private owner, the bus was only stored at Rowrah until a slot became available at Cobus.

 

[07andrew]

whitehaven spottings:
47617 on 1
35248 on 2
47061 on 4
22598 on 31A
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Workington Spottings:
47059 and 47006 (needs bombed) on Harrington Circulars.
34218 and 47616 on seaton.
14234 done 48s.
47007 on 50 and 20962 replaced 20945 on 51.
53337 on X4.
All 4 Scanias on standard 300.
20436 on 600 This morning.

 

[Mattdw92]

whitehaven spottings:
47059 and 47006 (needs bombed) on Harrington Circulars.

47007 on 50 and 20962 replaced 20945 on 51.

I'd say all the KX51 solos need bombed... although 47007 aint too bad :roll:
Solo on 50 and step-entranced bus on 51 is rare, 51 starting first in the mornings always gets the LF allocation with 50 getting the steppy!
...Welcomeee 07andrew by the way
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Not NW, but whilst at the Metrocentre today coming back to Newcastle City Centre on 27509, the Stagecoach NE driver allowed a handful of people on with Go North East (Go Ahead) return tickets! hock: ahemm

 

[07andrew]

Many Thanks for the welcome mattdw92
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I missed some spottings 20923 and 35246 on 30/31. (I was a passenger)
20436 (after it spent the morning on 600) and 14258 (scrambled bright tech) on annexe.
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Is 20451 going into service at lillyhall or storage?

 

[darrenw29]

Has been in service in Carlisle

 

[cainebj]

there's a chance it worked the 1640 Carlisle - Workington 300, which stays at Lillyhall over night, then works the 0655 Workington - Carlisle the next morning. possibly wouldn't start up in the morning for the 0655?
I wasn't around at them times to see what worked the 1640 300 on thursday evening. If 20904 was on 94's, then 20451 would have been available so could have worked that 300!

 

[07andrew]

Does anyone no if 52629 is getting service at Carlisle after it was withdrawn from Preston?

 

[cainebj]

Does anyone no if 52629 is getting service at Carlisle after it was withdrawn from Preston?

yes. it is ready for service now. its main use is for rail replacements, but it will see use on school work and the 685 as well. I will be in Carlisle on monday morning to see if it makes it onto 685.
it has replaced Interurban 52408.

 

[07andrew]

And tbh I don't know why we still have 20436 I know its a tacho bus but its had better days.
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Is 52629 in the stagecoach corporate livery because i have not seen it once since i was withdrawn from lillyhall?

 

[Cumberland Lad]

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