Hertford East blockade in October

[DJS76]

I notice that there is an 8 day blockade between Broxbourne and Hertford East due to "demolition work" but couldn't find any further details. Does anyone know more about this?

 

[hwl]

I notice that there is an 8 day blockade between Broxbourne and Hertford East due to "demolition work" but couldn't find any further details. Does anyone know more about this?

Hertford East platform extension work finally starting? (needs old signal box removal)

 

[DaveHarries]

Quite possibly so. I just found this - https://hertford.net/local-news/?id=125 - which suggests that the signalbox, a listed building, is to be preserved.

Dave

 

[Class 170101]

The box is to be dismantled and preserved elsewhere the article linked above says.

 

[55002]

Would they be doing the other stations en route also? Otherwise surely could terminate at Ware instead

 

[DJS76]

Would they be doing the other stations en route also? Otherwise surely could terminate at Ware instead

That was my initial thought, makes me think perhaps there is something else being demolished. A road bridge somewhere?

 

[55002]

That was my initial thought, makes me think perhaps there is something else being demolished. A road bridge somewhere?

I live not far from that line can’t think of a bridge apart from the main road into Ware which is over the station and I guess preventing lengthening the platform at the eastern end of station. I’ll see if I can find out

edit. does seem its for signal box, but now want permission to work 24 hours a day. Still can’t see why trains can’t terminate at Ware. Surely they can turn off the juice just in Hertford area.

https://publicaccess.eastherts.gov.uk/online-applications/files/87FD96C66F2848CA3E7C3962D1001C7C/pdf/3_21_1645_VAR-COVERING_LETTER-1695610.pdf

 

[hwl]

I live not far from that line can’t think of a bridge apart from the main road into Ware which is over the station and I guess preventing lengthening the platform at the eastern end of station. I’ll see if I can find out

edit. does seem its for signal box, but now want permission to work 24 hours a day. Still can’t see why trains can’t terminate at Ware. Surely they can turn off the juice just in Hertford area.

https://publicaccess.eastherts.gov.uk/online-applications/files/87FD96C66F2848CA3E7C3962D1001C7C/pdf/3_21_1645_VAR-COVERING_LETTER-1695610.pdf

Moving one of the signals at Ware would also make sense?

Given the feed is at Rye House may be only the whole branch can be isolated in one section?

 

[A0]

Would they be doing the other stations en route also? Otherwise surely could terminate at Ware instead

I wonder if the fact Ware is only a single platform station is the reason - so the decision has been made to prevent overcrowding ? It's also not great for a load of RRBs. Whereas Broxbourne has 4 platforms so is more spacious and has space for RRBs.

 

[Astro_Orbiter]

Ages ago, possibly 2 or more years ago when I heard about the hertford works, i'm sure i heard that Ware platform was going to be extended towards the aforementioned road overbridge, not under it but up to it. Still wouldn't be long enough for a 10 car 720 but would help I suppose. No idea if that plan still remains.

 

[BS56]

Why move a great Eastern signal box all the way up to Yorkshire? Surely one of the heritage lines in East Anglia could at least store it on their site until such time a decent place could be found for it?

 

[A0]

Why move a great Eastern signal box all the way up to Yorkshire? Surely one of the heritage lines in East Anglia could at least store it on their site until such time a decent place could be found for it?

If one of the lines in East Anglia had been interested, I suspect it would have moved to them.

And as for "could at least store it on their site until such time a decent place could be found for it" - too many heritage lines resemble a cross between Steptoe's Yard and a scrap yard, which is deeply unattractive to the general public. Far better for something like this to go somewhere where it will be preserved and put to good use, rather than being abandoned in the corner of field until such time as it either requires a far more extensive restoration or is beyond saving.

 

[DJS76]

I wonder if the fact Ware is only a single platform station is the reason - so the decision has been made to prevent overcrowding ? It's also not great for a load of RRBs. Whereas Broxbourne has 4 platforms so is more spacious and has space for RRBs.

Would there be a need for loads of RRBs if the line was just closed between Ware and Hertford? Not sure how many people commute from Hertford East but they do have North as an alternative. Whereas Ware, St Margaret's and Rye House don't have alternatives.
Also, terminating trains at Broxbourne means trains having to cross one of the through lines either on arrival or departure which could cause possible delays. Am sure there is a valid reason though.

 

[30907]

If one of the lines in East Anglia had been interested, I suspect it would have moved to them.

I suspect there are more than enough redundant boxes in East Anglia enough to keep them happy already - but relatively few in the NE.

 

[55002]

Forgot about this thread, I called in at Ware station and the guy in booking office said they extending platforms on the line also..I asked how they doing that at Ware, with the bridge at one end and road crossing at the other, but he didn’t know

 

[Aictos]

Maybe they're using SDO at Ware for the 10 car trains to call there?

 

[Shwam3]

Ware's platform will be extended under the bridge, with the singe line section being extended slightly, however I don't believe this is happening in October.

 

[BS56]

Before they start work on extending the platforms the trailing and facing crossovers may need to be moved further out along with overhead catenary alterations so further blockade's will be required.

 

[47421]

just re-upping this one. anyone know what work will be done next week, and when all the work needed for 10car 720s to go to Hert East will be completed?

 

[TheHSRailFan]

just re-upping this one. anyone know what work will be done next week, and when all the work needed for 10car 720s to go to Hert East will be completed?

if I recall, this is the one getting rid of the signal box but the platform extensions will happen later

I saw this Monday night confirming the second half.

 

[BS56]

It will be interesting to see how they do this . Access to the site is a bit restricted there are trees and undergrowth behind the box that my need to be cleared first so that a lorry mounted crane can get near enough to lift the lever frame out along with the heavy timbers on to a flat back lorry or may be an artic but the road behind the box is fairly wide. On the other side the road and streets are narrow and lifting stuff over the overhead wires would require a big crane . I live about 7 miles away so I will be there watching it all as it happens I hope.

 

[TheHSRailFan]

It will be interesting to see how they do this . Access to the site is a bit restricted there are trees and undergrowth behind the box that my need to be cleared first so that a lorry mounted crane can get near enough to lift the lever frame out along with the heavy timbers on to a flat back lorry or may be an artic but the road behind the box is fairly wide. On the other side the road and streets are narrow and lifting stuff over the overhead wires would require a big crane . I live about 7 miles away so I will be there watching it all as it happens I hope.

I live nearby as well,
There's the gate between Claud Hamilton Way and the station/'The Right Track Pre-School'. It does lead to the abandoned sidings, but since they don't have any use for it anymore, I guess they will lift those tracks.

 

[BS56]

Work started yesterday . I went there today and work is well under way. I got talking to the workmen It seems I was wrong about the way it will be dismantled in fact there will be no cranes because it will be dismantled bit by bit each part will be colour coded and numbered including the lever frame .