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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

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The cost of a bit more steel will only be a tiny part of the total cost of getting a structure installed on site. On a four-track railway two tracks can often be closed at quieter times without disruption, as the timetable is planned to work with only two tracks, but getting possession of all four tracks to install a portal is only possible when there is no service or if the service is suspended. The TTC can probably cope with minor realignments, but larger ones will almost certainly need a new pile for either type of structure.

Looking at pictures of the recent MML electrification it's much more easy to accept visually. TTCs are used but they are nearly all of the same type (visually at least) and installed opposite each other.
It also helps on the MML that, like the pairing of lines between York & Church Fenton, the tracks are paired by speed rather than direction.
Siemens SICAT is far more conventional, and by conventional I mean sympathetic to the eye and the surrounding environment, being similar to Mk3 electrification.
It also has the advantage of requiring less main steelwork (i.e. masts can be shorter) than the Bonomi equipment.
 
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At risk of veering a bit 'off-topic' and being no expert on OHLE, I offer this thought:
If my 'Google Earth' were up-to-date I would paste an image of the GRW mainline as it parallels the A420 west of Swindon- it looks awful. Is 'elegance' no part of the consideration? With the growing acceptance of the place of bi- or tri-modes into the future might they offer simplification of wires into and through places and 'palaces' like York, Newcastle, Bath, Bristol, ...
 

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At risk of veering a bit 'off-topic' and being no expert on OHLE, I offer this thought:
If my 'Google Earth' were up-to-date I would paste an image of the GRW mainline as it parallels the A420 west of Swindon- it looks awful. Is 'elegance' no part of the consideration? With the growing acceptance of the place of bi- or tri-modes into the future might they offer simplification of wires into and through places and 'palaces' like York, Newcastle, Bath, Bristol, ...
But York and Newcastle stations themselves are both grade 1 listed and have been wired for years. Why try to make an issue where none exists?
 

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At risk of veering a bit 'off-topic' and being no expert on OHLE, I offer this thought:
If my 'Google Earth' were up-to-date I would paste an image of the GRW mainline as it parallels the A420 west of Swindon- it looks awful. Is 'elegance' no part of the consideration? With the growing acceptance of the place of bi- or tri-modes into the future might they offer simplification of wires into and through places and 'palaces' like York, Newcastle, Bath, Bristol, ...
No! The wires are a great sight to see. They offer a clean source of fuel and never impinge upon the beauty of Newcastle, York or Edinburgh.
 

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No! The wires are a great sight to see. They offer a clean source of fuel and never impinge upon the beauty of Newcastle, York or Edinburgh.
No! The wires are a great sight to see. They offer a clean source of fuel and never impinge upon the beauty of Newcastle, York or Edinburgh.
Wow- looks like I've hit a nerve. Sorry if I have offended.
I've seen so much before and elsewhere about 'hideous pylons marching across the landscape etc' often by people only too happy to use the electricity 'on tap'.
Beauty in the eye of the beholder, I do get it. Maybe I've been too long a soft Southerner.
 

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Wow- looks like I've hit a nerve. Sorry if I have offended.
I've seen so much before and elsewhere about 'hideous pylons marching across the landscape etc' often by people only too happy to use the electricity 'on tap'.
Beauty in the eye of the beholder, I do get it. Maybe I've been too long a soft Southerner.
No, you’ve not hit a nerve. I just feel like being dramatic.
 

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At risk of veering a bit 'off-topic' and being no expert on OHLE, I offer this thought:
If my 'Google Earth' were up-to-date I would paste an image of the GRW mainline as it parallels the A420 west of Swindon- it looks awful. Is 'elegance' no part of the consideration? With the growing acceptance of the place of bi- or tri-modes into the future might they offer simplification of wires into and through places and 'palaces' like York, Newcastle, Bath, Bristol, ...
Headspans are used in discrete areas such as listed stations as there is very little steelwork. The below picture of headspans at Glasgow Queen street is sourced from Wikipedia.
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The portals on the GWML are just about the most intrusive design imaginable, although I can’t help but feel that this could have been mitigated by painting the structures in a matte colour ideally green. This was done at Stirling, albeit painted grey and I think that it’s done quite a good job.
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Not sure green would be an improvement for OLE steelwork. Grey matches typical British skies.
 

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No! The wires are a great sight to see. They offer a clean source of fuel and never impinge upon the beauty of Newcastle, York or Edinburgh.
I'm with you on the benefits of electrification, and in many areas it doesn't really impinge on the landscape. The most recent major installation along a relatively simple double track railway*, west of Didcot is utterly dreadful however, and the heavy use of bulky TTCs is a major part of that in my opinion. If Network Rail was looking for a way to alienate both locals and those interested in the local environment, it certainly found it (which of course can then be a source of resistance when future schemes are proposed.)

* They didn't do much better on the four-track west of Didcot, as the campaign for many years against the eyesore that now runs through the Goring Gap will testify.
 

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I'm with you on the benefits of electrification, and in many areas it doesn't really impinge on the landscape. The most recent major installation along a relatively simple double track railway*, west of Didcot is utterly dreadful however, and the heavy use of bulky TTCs is a major part of that in my opinion. If Network Rail was looking for a way to alienate both locals and those interested in the local environment, it certainly found it (which of course can then be a source of resistance when future schemes are proposed.)

* They didn't do much better on the four-track west of Didcot, as the campaign for many years against the eyesore that now runs through the Goring Gap will testify.
Wasn't there some sort of plan to paint the ironwork thorough the Goring Gap to placate the whingers or has that been forgotten about now?
 

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Not sure green would be an improvement for OLE steelwork. Grey matches typical British skies.
Steelwork in Germany is painted green and appears to my eyes to stand out more than the weathered galvanised masts and cross-spans found in Switzerland.
 

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Steelwork in Germany is painted green and appears to my eyes to stand out more than the weathered galvanised masts and cross-spans found in Switzerland.
Some of the OHE on older lines in France just looks rusty making one wonder whether there are trains running any longer. I am thinking about the line to Toulouse through Cahors.
 

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Wasn't there some sort of plan to paint the ironwork thorough the Goring Gap to placate the whingers or has that been forgotten about now?
They decided to plant more trees, IIRC. It‘s probably in the GWML wiring thread somewhere...
 

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If we go back to the original purpose of the thread, I can’t think of any places in the Pennines where OLE would be an eyesore. This is an industrial landscape, even in quasi-rural areas.

When Wainwright wrote his Pennine Way Guide in about 1968, he moaned about Longdendale looking a mess, with pylons and the Woodhead 1500v OLE, but to me it was just part of the landscape, like I am sure it is in Switzerland.
 

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Steelwork in Germany is painted green and appears to my eyes to stand out more than the weathered galvanised masts and cross-spans found in Switzerland.
The Germans also seem to make widespread use of headspans
 

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If we go back to the original purpose of the thread, I can’t think of any places in the Pennines where OLE would be an eyesore. This is an industrial landscape, even in quasi-rural areas.

When Wainwright wrote his Pennine Way Guide in about 1968, he moaned about Longdendale looking a mess, with pylons and the Woodhead 1500v OLE, but to me it was just part of the landscape, like I am sure it is in Switzerland.
The section of line between Slaithwaite and Greenfield isn’t an industrial landscape, it’s an area of outstanding beauty. Done sympathetically, the worst OLE will do is obstruct the sight lines on some of my photos. If they go for a mishmash of bulky structures it would simply draw focus to the railway in a negative way.
 

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The section of line between Slaithwaite and Greenfield isn’t an industrial landscape, it’s an area of outstanding beauty.
Not wanting a big argument, but it is both. What are the reasons for settlements like Diggle and Marsden? Not farming! Of course the wildest bit is in the tunnel.
 

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There are former cotton mills all along both the mossley and micklehurst routes alongside both the railway and the adjoining Leeds Liverpool canal. Even at Diggle and Marsden.
 

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Not wanting a big argument, but it is both. What are the reasons for settlements like Diggle and Marsden? Not farming! Of course the wildest bit is in the tunnel.
Marsden's been a settlement for at least 500 years.
 

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There are former cotton mills all along both the mossley and micklehurst routes alongside both the railway and the adjoining Leeds Liverpool canal. Even at Diggle and Marsden.
More wool than cotton as you pass through Saddleworth, which accounts for most of the area between Mossley and the Pennine watershed. The villages grew up around weaving, initially as a cottage industry and later in mills, and is now a mixed economy of light industry, commuting and some tourism. Much of it is too steep to build on, which probably accounts for it comprising multiple separated villages, whereas the gentler slopes from Oldham and Stalybridge into Manchester are moreorless continuously built up, at least around the main roads. The Marsden-Slaithwaite area is quite similar to Saddleworth, but Huddersfield is more clearly separated than either Oldham or Stalybridge.
 

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I’ve braved the awful weather today and taken a few pictures at Colton Junction of the work that is progressing.

Firstly, lineside showing where the foundations (I’m not sure that that’s the correct term) for the OHLE structures, as well as the troughs for signal cables.
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Secondly, the steelwork that has arrived at the Colton Jn compound, ready for installation within the next few days.
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I’ve braved the awful weather today and taken a few pictures at Colton Junction of the work that is progressing.

Firstly, lineside showing where the foundations (I’m not sure that that’s the correct term) for the OHLE structures, as well as the troughs for signal cables.
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Secondly, the steelwork that has arrived at the Colton Jn compound, ready for installation within the next few days.
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Fantastic- thanks for posting. I tend to use piled foundations as opposed to concrete foundations btw.
 

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Fantastic- thanks for posting. I tend to use piled foundations as opposed to concrete foundations btw.
The completed piles also have the natty purpose-designed orange covers they used on the EGIP project, instead of a random square of plywood with a stone on top. ;)
 

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I’ve braved the awful weather today and taken a few pictures at Colton Junction of the work that is progressing.

Firstly, lineside showing where the foundations (I’m not sure that that’s the correct term) for the OHLE structures, as well as the troughs for signal cables.
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Secondly, the steelwork that has arrived at the Colton Jn compound, ready for installation within the next few days.
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Those steel sections look more like 'king posts' to me - I'm sure they'll be used for stabilising the formation. Most OLE steelwork masts tend to have a base welded on the bottom for bolting to the foundations (piled or concrete).
 

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Those steel sections look more like 'king posts' to me - I'm sure they'll be used for stabilising the formation. Most OLE steelwork masts tend to have a base welded on the bottom for bolting to the foundations (piled or concrete).
Agreed, they’re not long enough for masts.
 

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The piles do not look to be at regular offsets from the rail.
Moving from inside a trough route to the outside, may cause problems with any new cabling.
Also I hope they have not speared the trackside drainage, like they did on the wiring to Skipton back in about 1994
 

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