‘Banned’ locos

[furnessvale]

Pure speculation, but perhaps one or two locos had misaligned horns, which caused a problem, so someone assumed that they would all cause the same problems ????

If they didn't have misaligned horns when they set out, maybe they had them at the end of the trip?

 

[Whistler40145]

If they didn't have misaligned horns when they set out, maybe they had them at the end of the trip?

I'm not sure if all 37/4s and 37/5s had the horns moved to the nose

 

[delt1c]

I'm not sure if all 37/4s and 37/5s had the horns moved to the nose

The 37/4's have their horns on the roof as they were converted from the later ( centre headcode ) batch, 37/5's were from the earlier split headcode batch which had horns in the nose from new

 

[Whistler40145]

The 37/4's have their horns on the roof as they were converted from the later ( centre headcode ) batch, 37/5's were from the earlier split headcode batch which had horns in the nose from new

I have seen a photo of a 37/4 with the horns mounted on top of the nose hatch doors

 

[Cowley]

On the subject of diesels down in the Glasgow low level suburban lines, all in more recent times (all from the RoyTheMouth YouTube channel):

When was the last time a pair of 20s worked through Queen St Low Level & Charing Cross with a passenger train of any kind (or with any train period!), never mind bonnet first! And that one of them idling at Argyle Street gives credence to their 'Whistling Wardrobe' nickname; honestly sounds like a 40 down there!

Wonderful. I had a 37 out of there to Oban in the 90s and I didn’t even know that there was a low level station until I arrived and saw it on a departure board.
As you can imagine I was somewhat blown away by the noise of it arriving and then departing with myself standing by the front droplight.
It reminded me of the bit in Superman where Lex Luthor has his underground hideout in the railway tunnels!

 

[43096]

The 37/4's have their horns on the roof as they were converted from the later ( centre headcode ) batch, 37/5's were from the earlier split headcode batch which had horns in the nose from new

37667-699 were/are also 37/5s and were converted from centre headcode batches.

 

[delt1c]

I have seen a photo of a 37/4 with the horns mounted on top of the nose hatch doors

Must have been a later alteration, possibly to reduce the overall height

 

[Whistler40145]

Must have been a later alteration, possibly to reduce the overall height

Think it’s a DRS modification

 

[delt1c]

Think it’s a DRS modificationView attachment 89491

OMG, looks terible. At least they could have positioned them like Deltics either side of the nose

 

[181]

Ex-GWR locos striking their cylinder casings on "foreign" routes was nothing new

It's happened in the preservation era too.

 

[Speed43125]

It's happened in the preservation era too.

Good read, thanks for that

 

[daveinstoke]

I believe 8f's were from Hanley station due to the severe curves. poss mk1 coach's to

 

[randyrippley]

Think it’s a DRS modificationView attachment 89491

Is the different colour of the two horns significant?

 

[Cowley]

Is the different colour of the two horns significant?

The one on the right as you look at it looks like it came off an EWS liveried loco?

 

[randyrippley]

The one on the right as you look at it looks like it came off an EWS liveried loco?

Simplest answers are often correct
I was wracking my brain over whether the colours were different high/low tones.........

 

[Whistler40145]

Is the different colour of the two horns significant?

I thought you were meaning the photo had been edited

 

[Spartacus]

OMG, looks terible. At least they could have positioned them like Deltics either side of the nose

I’m sure I’ve seen one given that treatment, possibly after nose end damage.

 

[Scotrail84]

Not a loco but 158s and I think 170s were banned on the Shotts line (unless non stop) until the platform heights were adjusted and I think the 158s are still banned other than running empties on the GSWR iirc.

 

[Whistler40145]

Not a loco but 158s and I think 170s were banned on the Shotts line (unless non stop) until the platform heights were adjusted and I think the 158s are still banned other than running empties on the GSWR iirc.

AFAIK ScotRail only operate 156s on the Glasgow Central to Carlisle services

 

[BR Boy 125]

Yeah and the 89 wouldn't get anywhere near Glasgow central, although I did here it was tested by Carlisle somewhere.

 

[Inversnecky]

Yeah and the 89 wouldn't get anywhere near Glasgow central, although I did here it was tested by Carlisle somewhere.

Why?

 

[Scotrail84]

AFAIK ScotRail only operate 156s on the Glasgow Central to Carlisle services

Yes they do, the 158s are banned from the GSWR in passenger service. I'm sure its because the plug doors can't open as the theres clearance issues on the platforms.

 

[Whistler40145]

Yes they do, the 158s are banned from the GSWR in passenger service. I'm sure its because the plug doors can't open as the theres clearance issues on the platforms.

Thanks for your response

 

[UrieS15]

We had a daily turn from Reading to Redhill and back that was GW hauled as a training turn. It was always a very small unnamed mogul, until one day we had the excitement of, I think, a Manor. this apparently made it to Redhill where it was marooned for the rest of the week, and according to the national press, who got hold of the story, it was only permitted to make the return trip at 5m.p.h on a Sunday.

 

[john prytherch]

I thought Manors fairly regularly, or at least reasonably occasionally, worked to Redhill from Reading towards the end of steam working, before the Tadpoles took over.

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With reference to the postings in January about the Grange which got to Huddersfield (6858 Woolston Grange, on 15 August 1964) I don't think its return to the Western region was via Manchester Victoria and Chester; I think it might have had trouble with the platform end copings at Earlestown! According to Railway memories No.13 (Huddersfield, Dewsbury & Batley) (page 60) it "left Hillhouse under its own steam in the small hours of Wednesday 26th August for Oxley shed, Wolverhampton. Running as special train 8Z02 via Stalybridge, limited to 35 mph and worked by Farnley men as far as Crewe". At Crewe, I expect Gresty Lane men would have taken over for the run via Nantwich and Wellington. I think it probable that the route from Stalybridge to Stockport would have been via the Hooley Line, which I think was still open then, tunnelling under part of Guide Bridge and avoiding that station.

 

[UrieS15]

I thought Manors fairly regularly, or at least reasonably occasionally, worked to Redhill from Reading towards the end of steam working, before the Tadpoles took over.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 16 Feb 2021 ==

With reference to the postings in January about the Grange which got to Huddersfield (6858 Woolston Grange, on 15 August 1964) I don't think its return to the Western region was via Manchester Victoria and Chester; I think it might have had trouble with the platform end copings at Earlestown! According to Railway memories No.13 (Huddersfield, Dewsbury & Batley) (page 60) it "left Hillhouse under its own steam in the small hours of Wednesday 26th August for Oxley shed, Wolverhampton. Running as special train 8Z02 via Stalybridge, limited to 35 mph and worked by Farnley men as far as Crewe". At Crewe, I expect Gresty Lane men would have taken over for the run via Nantwich and Wellington. I think it probable that the route from Stalybridge to Stockport would have been via the Hooley Line, which I think was still open then, tunnelling under part of Guide Bridge and avoiding that station.

That could be so, I believe the line was upgraded at some stage, but in the 1953-59 period when I was allegedly studying by the side of the line, we only ever saw one named WR engine on that daily duty, with the results related. in the latter days of course, there were many Southern named locos when the Schools were cascaded to end their days there, but that was after my time.

 

[Peter C]

I've mentioned on another thread about the GWR's attempt at a Pacific locomotive in 1908 - that being no. 111 'The Great Bear'. From what I've read, that engine was quite an interesting case when it came to route availability/restrictions; it had an axle load of 20 tons, which meant it was stuck to the GWML between Paddington and Bristol (another way of putting this would be, I suppose, to say it was banned from the entire GWR network in 1908, bar that one bit). It worked that one route for sixteen years before it was rebuilt into a 'Castle' - specifically 111 'Viscount Churchill' - in 1924. I wonder if there are any other classes of engine which have been banned from so many places?

-Peter

 

[matchmaker]

The Highland Railway "River" class were banned from the entire Highland Railway system...

 

[Inversnecky]

The Highland Railway "River" class were banned from the entire Highland Railway system...

Do you know why?

 

[D1537]

Yeah and the 89 wouldn't get anywhere near Glasgow central, although I did here it was tested by Carlisle somewhere.

Why?

Clearance issues. I believe it was also banned from Euston and a couple of other places which I now forget.