That would be the Grange which made it up the GC main line quite happily (and was indeed fully authorised as Halls and Granges were diagrammed to work as far as Leicester on a daily basis, and permitted to Nottingham Victoria), but successive sheds claimed to have no replacement loco, so made its way past Nottingham into forbidden territory. The damage was done when it got onto ex L&Y track between Penistone and Huddersfield, and platform copings and cylinders were damaged. Huddersfield shed was then stuck with it for some time until it was specially authorised to be towed dead and out-of gauge to Manchester. Once through Manchester Victoria all was well again as they were permitted between Exchange and Crewe, where they met ex-GW metals.
There certainly are, but that is not to say that the design of the wheelset and its interface with the track is the same as UK practice.
I am going to be silly and suggest Sarah Siddons is banned from going down tube tunnelsThere was interesting discussion of 40s and Peaks being banned from Glasgow Central after derailing on the curves and complex point work, presumably on account of their length:
Loco hauled trains into and out of Glasgow Central 1976-1981
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Are there other instances of locos being ‘banned’ for such reasons?
How did it operate in practice: was the ‘banned’ loco never put on a train at the start (eg Glasgow bound), or maybe a 40 was changed, say, at Carlisle for the last leg into Glasgow?
The Grange would have been OK between Manchester Victoria and Chester, rather than Crewe. The line from Warrington to Chester was bullt by the Birkenhead Joint Railway which was LNWR/GWR joint, and the GWR had running powers over the LNWR between Warrington BQ and Manchester Victoria. The GWR didn't operate between Warrington and Crewe.
Remember going on a railtour with a 37 with horns on roof (may have been 229) and ended up in n a big diversion due to this.
Blackfriars Bridge(s) was the problem.
A recorded example of this going wrong (not my video!)NR Sectional Appendix said:
There's quite a lot south of London where clearances aren't enough for 23m stock. That's the main reason most EMUs were 20m until recently. There are very few routes away from the third rail network that are similarly restricted, although I believe some are in the Cardiff Valleys.
How does that work with the Fort William sleeper, as that is routed via and calls at Queen St Low Level?
Slight problem if e.g. Charter trains might have a crew change at Glasgow Central Low Level or the train receives a yellow aspect followed by a red.
Used to cause problems when the RHTTs were 37s. They’d start out alright, then there’d be a swap and it’d always be one with roof horns.....
There's a restriction under a bridge on the Lea Valley lines where 37s with roof mounted horns are banned, therefore any trains using that particular side of Liverpool Street have to be hauled by Splitbox 37s with nose fitted horns
That may have been the theory, but 37s with roof mounted horns did sometimes work on Cambridge line services. I recall having (at least) 37198 and 37273.
The run from Euston to Edinburgh via the WCML is done with a Class 92, ie. an electric locomotive, but when the 73/9 diesel is attached at Edinburgh (and would go through Queen Street), you're right, that might create an issue. I'll have to look that up!
You could still get roof horn 37 s on Cambridge trains, but they were diverted via Southbury to avoid the restriction.on the main line.
Neither of these went via Southbury. I had 37198 from Ely to Liverpool Street, and 37273 from Liverpool Street to Audley End. I would need to locate note books to check the dates, but probably late 1970s or early 1980s.
Likewise I had 37184 on a Norwich - Cambridge - Liverpool Street which ran main line, seemingly without causing any issues. On the other hand I also had 37261 Cambridge to Liverpool Street, and the driver advised the signaller before departing from Cambridge that it was a roof-horn loco, and we were duly diverted via Southbury.
I've been on several railtours returning from the WHL and been held in the tunnels near Glasgow Central Low Level and the pair of 37s have thrashed at full bore through the platforms leaving a nice cloud of clag lingering, the other occasion was the visit of 31146 and 31166 to Fort William and we thrashed through the platforms deafening the passengers
That must have been fun! I guess they must've done something about the smoke alarms since 2017 then - cause that would definitely have set them off if a 37 on a test train can!
