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Unknown Red/Silver "Three Heads" Railway Plaque -- Any Ideas?

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Hi folks,

I wonder if anyone knows what this particular plaque is?

I have attached screenshots below.


It is based around the imagery of "three heads", and has a red and silver colour scheme.

I have done various Google searches (e.g., "railway plaque three heads"), but have not got any results.

The circular metal plaque is 25.2cm in diameter, and approximately 1.3cm thick.

My father acquired the plaque from a training school at the Eastfield Depot (a locomotive depot in Glasgow, Scotland) before it closed.


If anyone has any ideas, I'd be very grateful.

All the best!
 

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One of those decorative plaques that are/were placed in the middle of steam locos’ smoke box doors or below the windows of diesel locos in some countries? The SNCF macaron is an example. Locos for many countries were built in Glasgow, so you have a lot of choice if you are going to search through the world’s railway emblems.
 

bangor-toad

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Hi,
The wreath motif around the outside edge of the plaque is the standard United Nations one.
Compare it with: Wikipedia image

I would say that the plaque is related to a UN project or event. Which one though I can't help with...
(Or someone 'borrowed' the image without permission which would make it even harder to figure out)
Hope this helps your search a bit.

Cheers,
Mr Toad
 

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One of those decorative plaques that are/were placed in the middle of steam locos’ smoke box doors or below the windows of diesel locos in some countries? The SNCF macaron is an example. Locos for many countries were built in Glasgow, so you have a lot of choice if you are going to search through the world’s railway emblems.
 

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There's no railway imagery on the plaque so I suspect it's not directly to do with railways. As it's from a training school, perhaps some kind of award for training, or for some UN-related charitable work?
 

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Hi,
The wreath motif around the outside edge of the plaque is the standard United Nations one.
Compare it with: Wikipedia image

I would say that the plaque is related to a UN project or event. Which one though I can't help with...
(Or someone 'borrowed' the image without permission which would make it even harder to figure out)
Hope this helps your search a bit.

Cheers,
Mr Toad
The laurel wreath is used in numerous places, especially for sporting or artistic awards, dating back thousands of years. That this example looks like the one in the UN logo is probably just a coincidence.
 
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Thanks for your input SargeNpton -- very much appreciated.

Update: I am currently in the process of contacting some of my father's old work collegaues to ask if they have any information about the plaque, and will post back if I find anything out.
 

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Those three heads might be taken as representing three different racial types. I wonder if it might have symbolised an equal opportunity programme or award?

However, Googling hasn't found any backup for that idea.
 
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Hi folks.

Great news -- I contacted one of my father's old work colleagues, and he pretty much told me everything about it.

Apparently, the plaque was carried on loco number 37191, which was named “International Youth Year 1985” in February of that year. He mentioned that it was named, no less, by princess Anne and Sean Connery at Queen Street Station (Glasgow), with a piper present too!

Here’s an interesting anecdote about the naming-day that the chap told me. The loco was supposed to be on a charge, to ensure it would start in the morning. However, someone forgot to switch the charger on! (So, the loco was flat.) The result was that the gleaming loco -- which had been completely repainted and spruced-up generally -- had to be hauled down to Queen Street to meet the VIPs by a dirty old smoky loco!


My Own Research

Since getting that info from one of my dad's collegaues, I’ve done some Googling around, and have found lots of information regarding the loco (37191), the exact name (“International Youth Year 1985”), and indeed have been able to verify that the small circular plaque was at one time mounted above the name plate of the loco.

Here is what I have found:


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General Internet Pictures:

https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/60/493/ (The photo is sub-titled: “37191, newly named International Youth Year 1985, waits at Mallaig after arrival from Glasgow Queen Street/Fort William”. On this one, you can just about see the little red circular logo above the name-plate.)

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/72757-class-37-photos/page/41/ (Do a "ctrl+f" search for "37191" to go to the image. The image is titled “Recently re-painted 37191 rounds King Edward Bridge Jn on 010685 with 1E28 08:10 Glasgow QS - Scarborough”. If you look closely, there is the little red plaque.)


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Flickr Pictures: (Many thanks to user blackwatch55013.)

https://www.flickriver.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4745219921/ (Image entitled: “37191 'International Youth Year 1985' nameplate”. The image of the little round plaque and the full name doesn’t get much clearer than that!)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4745219921/ (Same as the picture above.)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4676427298/ (Image entitled: “37191 'International Youth Year 1985' at Glen Douglas”)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4675800087/ (Image entitled: “37191, 37022 & 37108 at Arrochar and Tarbet”)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blackwatch55013/4675802605/ (Image entitled: “37191 & 37022 at Arrochar and Tarbet”)


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General Text Information/Paragraphs: (Some really nice info in these links.)

http://www.scot-rail.co.uk/page/ethels (Do a "ctrl+f" search for "37191". A short paragraph gives some nice info. It states: “In 1985 to commemorate International Youth Year, 37191 was named just that, at a ceremony at Glasgow Queen Street in February. With ETHEL 1 and a DBSO push-pull set in tow, the newly named loco set off for a tour to Perth, Dundee and Edinburgh.)

https://railuk.info/diesel/getloco.php?itemx= 37191 (Some information about the 37191 loco. It seems it was built in 21/01/1964, had a works number of E3369/8412, and was both named and then unnamed “International Youth Year 1985” in the same year! The page also notes that the loco has been withdrawn from service.)

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98755-favorite-class-37-hauled-train/ (Do a "ctrl+f" search for "37191". A short message confirms that it once ran from Glasgow Queen Street to Scarborough.)

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk...t?postId=c62b5fc2-4248-46be-b068-a415051c9b4f (Do a "ctrl+f" search for "37191". A short paragraph states that the 37191 loco only carried the name “International Youth Year 1985” name for less than 12 months.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/scottish-class-37s.129229/ (Do a "ctrl+f" search for "37191". Takes you to some information about all Class 37 locos that ran from Eastfield [in Glasgow, Scotland], including 37191.)

https://www.ellybellypublications.co.uk/p/87946drn/13917851202/br-midland-lms-scotland-dumbarton (Features a nice little paragraph about the history of Class 37 locos generally. It notes that the Class 37 was built at the Vulcan Foundry, Newton-le-Willows, in a Co-Co configuration.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Youth_Year (Some information about International Youth Year, 1985, as declared by the United Nations.)

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/uno_iyy.html (Page confirming the official image for International Youth Year, 1985, as prescribed by the United Nations.)




Hope all of that info is interesting to you all -- and that it is not information overload.

All the best!
 
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