New national restrictions in Scotland

[DustyBin]

Mm back to accusations of being in a party by asking questions? We went over this, projection of polarised views only exposes the accuser, not the inquisitor.

Well, if restrictions aren’t saving lives, I’m misreading all of the evidence available to me.

I presented you with some evidence in post #204 - maybe you didn’t see it?

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Here is the new Scottish Government advert that is likely to be plastered over the mainstream channels from the 26th:

It really is a repeat of March with the Stay Home message back. The authoritarianism in the narrator's voice doesn't help either.

 

[DB]

Here is the new Scottish Government advert that is likely to be plastered over the mainstream channels from the 26th:

It really is a repeat of March with the Stay Home message back. The authoritarianism in the narrator's voice doesn't help either.

Given the way in which the governments (UK and devolved administrations) have spent most of this year encouraging mask shaming and snitching on your neighbours, isn't it a bit late now to try appealing to a sense of national unity, as they appear to be doing here?

 

[Cdd89]

Lockdown messaging really is like a drug, isn’t it? Ever increasing amounts of fear need to be deployed for the same level of compliance. Note that “Stop the spread” has been substituted for “protect the NHS”, since as mentioned in another thread the idea of the NHS being under threat will rapidly become decreasingly credible.

 

[Scotrail12]

At least 'protect the NHS' isn't back, that message did my head in.

 

[devon_metro]

When Scottish Government public health messages come on TV, I stop listening. I expect many others do too. Life is far less depressing if you spend a week avoiding the news too (and obviously avoid the daily show with Nicola).

 

[Journeyman]

When Scottish Government public health messages come on TV, I stop listening. I expect many others do too. Life is far less depressing if you spend a week avoiding the news too (and obviously avoid the daily show with Nicola).

How many people actually watch those daily briefings?

 

[greyman42]

How many people actually watch those daily briefings?

Probably just her avid followers.

 

[scotrail158713]

How many people actually watch those daily briefings?

Not many I’d imagine. And with the time of day it’s on at, the clientele that would watch it are probably the least likely to be affected by restrictions so will quite happily do as she says.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Not many I’d imagine. And with the time of day it’s on at, the clientele that would watch it are probably the least likely to be affected by restrictions so will quite happily do as she says.

I really do feel sorry for This Morning, who must lose all of their Scottish viewers at 12:15pm sharp each day!

 

[317 forever]

I think the idea is that all these rules dissuade people from leaving home, thus not spreading the virus.

It's not working.

Indeed, perhaps especially in the case of closing non-essential retail. If people can't go out and go to the shops, they simply go out anyway without going to the shops but they do still go out.

 

[DB]

Indeed, perhaps especially in the case of closing non-essential retail. If people can't go out and go to the shops, they simply go out anyway without going to the shops but they do still go out.

A lot of them go to the shops which remain open, making those busier.

 

[Huntergreed]

Our region, having roughly 30-60 cases a week is now in a tier 4 strict lockdown to prevent the NHS from being “overwhelmed” (my dad works at the local hospital and says it’s very quiet indeed). We were in level 1 a mere 2 days ago. We have all the NHS adverts from our local adverts saying things are “serious” in this region and we must “protect our health service”, when in fact it’s nowhere near overwhelmed. It’s the lies behind this that angers me.

 

[bramling]

A lot of them go to the shops which remain open, making those busier.

That’s absolutely what is happening. I have to say I don’t entirely get the pastime of spending a few hours in a shop just for the sake of it, but it’s exactly what’s happening.

What’s clear is people are sick of being at home. The politicians don’t quite seem to have latched on to this.

It would quite probably be preferable to keep as many non-essential shops as possible open, perhaps even with extended hours, to spread things out.

Round here walking is the big thing again, but this has become problematic as every single local rural footpath is now so badly churned up with the combination of rain and increased footfall, as to be almost impassable. There’s also been quite a bit of conflict between walkers, runners and cyclists - I suppose the silver lining to this is that local Facebook is now taken up with posts moaning about selfish runners and cyclists, so they’re not whipping up Covid fear between themselves!

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Our region, having roughly 30-60 cases a week is now in a tier 4 strict lockdown to prevent the NHS from being “overwhelmed” (my dad works at the local hospital and says it’s very quiet indeed). We were in level 1 a mere 2 days ago. We have all the NHS adverts from our local adverts saying things are “serious” in this region and we must “protect our health service”, when in fact it’s nowhere near overwhelmed. It’s the lies behind this that angers me.

The trouble is they know the “save the NHS” narrative works a treat.

When the inquiry happens it will be very interesting to learn exactly what measures were taken over the summer to attempt to uplift NHS capability.

 

[PG]

When the inquiry happens it will be very interesting to learn exactly what measures were taken over the summer to attempt to uplift NHS capability.

Depends what the terms of reference are for whoever heads up the inquiry. One doesn't usually set up an inquiry without establishing its findings beforehand!!

 

[Butts]

No "Border Checks" either end at Edinburgh or Birmingham flying down on 23rd and back on 27th.

"Ban" is not being enforced (at least on UK Domestic Flights)

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1345659441065177094?s=21

Scottish cabinet to meet tomorrow to consider further measures to tackle #coronavirus

Ministers worried by rapid spread of new strain

@scotgov has requested recall of Scottish Parliament on Monday for @NicolaSturgeon to make statement

Not entirely sure what "further measures" there are to consider, tbh.

 

[Scotrail314209]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1345659441065177094?s=21

Not entirely sure what "further measures" there are to consider, tbh.

We are all in tier 4 so.....

What?

 

[kez19]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1345659441065177094?s=21

Not entirely sure what "further measures" there are to consider, tbh.

Masks...everywhere! (outside places she’ll love that)
Schools delayed further (as I believe that’s happening in England?)
Journalists to stay home
Jeane Freeman to join ASDA (giggles)

 

[Journeyman]

We are all in tier 4 so.....

What?

I dread to think. Even more travel restrictions?

 

[scotrail158713]

Schools delayed further (as I believe that’s happening in England?)

Possibly. Although aren’t the English schools delaying to when the Scottish schools intend to go back? (18th January)

Whatever it is that they’re planning, I don’t like the sound of it. As has been mentioned though I’m struggling to think what else can be done.

 

[bramling]

I dread to think. Even more travel restrictions?

Just more of the same measures which are patently not working.

Masks outside is one where I think we’d descend into civil disobedience pretty rapidly. Enough people (myself included) won’t comply, and that I think would turn into a flashpoint.

 

[Journeyman]

Just more of the same measures which are patently not working.

Things might be worse without them, though. Whatever happens, it's doing my mental health no good at all. I'm really struggling at the moment.

 

[bramling]

Things might be worse without them, though. Whatever happens, it's doing my mental health no good at all. I'm really struggling at the moment.

There must surely come a point where this burns itself out, simply by way of running out of people to infect. In the absence of mass gatherings one would think most people are confined to fairly limited networks of people, even notwithstanding the amount of inter-household meeting up which is clearly still going on (all those cars on the roads in the evenings...).

Schools may of course be the exception to this, of course, but surely there must be at least some bubbling going on there?

 

[kez19]

Possibly. Although aren’t the English schools delaying to when the Scottish schools intend to go back? (18th January)

Whatever it is that they’re planning, I don’t like the sound of it. As has been mentioned though I’m struggling to think what else can be done.

That’s what I thought but didn’t realise 18 January possibly push into February?

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I dread to think. Even more travel restrictions?

How much further can you push restrictions for travel?

You get told use public transport for essential journey as original lockdown what else do they want? Shop between certain hours next?

Before bringing in the new restrictions has the MPs themselves attempted a dry run beforehand?

 

[Scotrail314209]

I'm not sure if the Scottish Government can allow it, but is there any power to suspend the cross-border rail and coach services? I understand it would wreak havoc but with so few people travelling at the minute it might be something they are considering.

I can probably see Scotrail and the bus companies being instructed to run a minimal service, possibly back to March levels.

Schools and Colleges probably shut until Easter. (Well I'm scuppered as I'm on a Photography course, and it'll be worse if they tell us not to leave our home unless essential).

 

[kristiang85]

Just more of the same measures which are patently not working.

Masks outside is one where I think we’d descend into civil disobedience pretty rapidly. Enough people (myself included) won’t comply, and that I think would turn into a flashpoint.

Masks outside right now would be a nightmare - the other day I left the shop with a load of shopping in both hands, so at first I didnt take my mask off. But it very quickly got wet with the condensation from being in the cold and breathing on it. There's no way that is healthy if we were all made to do it.

 

[kez19]

I was skimming through the Telegraph (ok it’s in terms of England) but basically in short the governments more likely revert to March 2020...

As suggested above and be surprised if public transport is asked to be minimal

Parks/playgrounds shut, can’t meet up with people etc

Oh it’s all good saying this but I wonder who will break the rules this time? Roll out your journalists MPs etc..

What about banning international flights?

 

[bramling]

Masks outside right now would be a nightmare - the other day I left the shop with a load of shopping in both hands, so at first I didnt take my mask off. But it very quickly got wet with the condensation from being in the cold and breathing on it. There's no way that is healthy if we were all made to do it.

Not doing it. End of.

 

[Journeyman]

Not doing it. End of.

Likewise. I've complied with the law so far, but I won't wear a mask outside.