VauxhallandI
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I’ve been watching CNN for two days straight. I’m beginning to rock in my chair.
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2020 US Presidential Election
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birchesgreen
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I particularly enjoyed one of the correspondents describing the tweets of Trump's children (or "spawn" as he called them) as "rantings written in crayon".
GRALISTAIR
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I hope and pray the transition will not be messy.
I think he was describing the Speculative Ideas sub-forum...
nlogax
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Indeed. It's down to the President to see sense, concede and get busy in the transition otherwise it'll happen without him. I can't imagine that will do either party or the country any favours and it could easily lead to even more animosity and polarised positions.
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If Putin is still pulling Trump's strings, which is not beyond possibility, won't he be planning the messiest possible transition and even the beginnings of another Civil War? Sorry to be so gloomy, but I'm being deadly serious.
birchesgreen
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Don't get overly worried, most militias are paper tigers who run away if the federal troops (who have a LOT more firepower) fight back. Most Trump supporter nonsense is talk. You'll notice elements of the GOP is moving away from him already, not many at the moment but once he is officially a loser i expect that to increase a lot.
Not saying there won't be trouble but it won't be anywhere near Civil War 2.0.
Not saying there won't be trouble but it won't be anywhere near Civil War 2.0.
If it gets to the point where he feels that it’s best to scarper, I would tend towards him initially heading to his golf resort in Dubai, which I believe (but I’m not certain on this by any means) doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the USA?
Scotrail314209
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Please... don't jinx us.
GRALISTAIR
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If he loves the USA as much as he says he does ( and I believe he does) he will make it smooth. I think you are going to start seeing a lot of common sense. Same from McConnell. No games refusing to or impeding Bidens cabinet appointments.
Trump hates losing with a passion but I believe this is what we will see.
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This photo of Nigel Farage holding his betting slip (£10,000 for Trump to win!) gave me a bit of a chuckle earlier. 
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I still hope that you’re right and at some point he’ll wind his neck in and do the correct thing.
I also hope that Biden does what he says he’s going to do and tries to take care of the entire country rather than just his base, and that needs to start with a message to those that voted Democrat of ‘Don’t gloat’...
You only just won this, so it’s a time to build bridges and find common ground because there’s a lot of making up to do on all sides.
Otherwise this all gets repeated in four years time and it could be worse.
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Even though I do actually understand why people voted for him and I’m someone that tends to always give someone the benefit of the doubt, and even though we could all see a mile off how he would try and play this if he started to fall behind once the postal votes tallied up. I still can’t forgive him for the way he’s behaved this last couple of days.
I still hope that you’re right and at some point he’ll wind his neck in and do the correct thing.
I also hope that Biden does what he says he’s going to do and tries to take care of the entire country rather than just his base, and that needs to start with a message to those that voted Democrat of ‘Don’t gloat’...
You only just won this, so it’s a time to build bridges and find common ground because there’s a lot of making up to do on all sides.
Otherwise this all gets repeated in four years time and it could be worse.
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WesternLancer
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Having read a bit more about Biden and Amtrak I'm surprised Joe B isn't active on this forum!
GRALISTAIR
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Lol indeed.
Strathclyder
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Yeah.... thanks, but no thanks.
This photo of Nigel Farage holding his betting slip (£10,000 for Trump to win!) gave me a bit of a chuckle earlier.
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Stop the count.
(That might be a typo).
Did you see the tweet from Southampton FC earlier?
(Photo shows Southampton at the top of the league after eight games with the caption ‘STOP THE COUNT’.
swt_passenger
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Interesting that mainstream broadcasters were switching away from Trump during his rant and explaining he was spouting rubbish...
DerekC
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It will be interesting to see what Biden does in his broadcast tonight. I think he will hold off claiming victory as the Pennsylvania result doesn't seem likely to be declared for some time and give Trump a chance to concede. Trump probably won't, although I think the GOP will start pressurising him, but it will absolutely give Biden the moral high ground. Like @GRALISTAIR, I think that in the end Trump will go quietly - and I don't believe he will leave the USA. He will go back to Florida, where he won.
DarloRich
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That aint no betting slip I ever seen!
( £10k at 15/8 is something like £28750 winnings - I wonder who funds him and his gambling habits? )PS old Faridge should have waited. He would get 12/1 now!
Great that they finally grew a spine.
God there’s so much blowing with the wind in all of this!
DarloRich
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No, I think it is good. This needs to be the turning point. Lies have to be called out and if it they are obviously the fevered ramblings of a demented cheesy wotsit then just stop covering him and leave him to Parler.
The media outlets might not have called this out until now but they have now done so. That has to be the line in the sand and they have to hold themselves that standard.
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I’ve just been reading about Trump’s appeal for people to support his legal extravaganza. In the small print, only 50% of donations actually go to this, the other half goes to repaying the debts of the campaign company, one of whose biggest creditors is.......Donald Trump. So he’s grifting right to the end, always on the make
To be fair to the US media, many outlets have been calling him out from the very moment he stepped into politics. Even Fox News have allowed some correspondents to be critical of him for some time.
birchesgreen
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I hope Kamala Harris takes over after Sleepy Joe
@GRALISTAIR
You probably know more about this than the rest of us put together
Is it customary in the US to talk about politics with workmates, family neighbours, or best to avoid? Do you have a vote over there?
Whatabout non-voters, I mean those who choose not to vote?
@GRALISTAIR
You probably know more about this than the rest of us put together
Is it customary in the US to talk about politics with workmates, family neighbours, or best to avoid? Do you have a vote over there?
Whatabout non-voters, I mean those who choose not to vote?
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Scotrail314209
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Well that isn’t aggressive in the slightest. Who gives a toss about Eric, Lara and Don.
In the last 24 hours, 08:00 UK time 6/11/2020 to 08:00 UK time 7/11/2020
Biden has won 62% of the new votes counted in Nevada (28,307 out of 45,395)
Biden has won 69% of the new votes counted in Georgia (13,606 out of 19,581)
Biden has won 77% of the new votes counted in Pennsylvania (68,945 out of 90,057)
Just for interest, I don't think anyone will be surprised by these figures. It's only going one way. Biden's margin in Pennsylvania (28,833) is currently 0.43% of the total votes cast (~6.6m), so could exceed 0.5% and avoid an automatic recount there. Georgia's margin, at 0.15% currently, is why they've already said there will be a recount there; although I don't believe this is mandated by state law in Georgia it seems like a sensible anticipation of the inevitable.
EDIT From the link posted in #738 , there are 89,282 ballots yet to be recorded in Pennsylvania. If Biden increases his margin by 4,838 he'll reach 0.5% of the total votes cast, and if he wins 77% of these additional 89,282 ballots he'll increase his margin by ten times this number (48,000 or so) so this 0.5% automatic recount hurdle should be easily overcome. So although I wouldn't be surprised to see a recount in Pennsylvania, I think this means that it will need an affidavit process and will require Trump to pay for the recount.
Biden has won 62% of the new votes counted in Nevada (28,307 out of 45,395)
Biden has won 69% of the new votes counted in Georgia (13,606 out of 19,581)
Biden has won 77% of the new votes counted in Pennsylvania (68,945 out of 90,057)
Just for interest, I don't think anyone will be surprised by these figures. It's only going one way. Biden's margin in Pennsylvania (28,833) is currently 0.43% of the total votes cast (~6.6m), so could exceed 0.5% and avoid an automatic recount there. Georgia's margin, at 0.15% currently, is why they've already said there will be a recount there; although I don't believe this is mandated by state law in Georgia it seems like a sensible anticipation of the inevitable.
EDIT From the link posted in #738 , there are 89,282 ballots yet to be recorded in Pennsylvania. If Biden increases his margin by 4,838 he'll reach 0.5% of the total votes cast, and if he wins 77% of these additional 89,282 ballots he'll increase his margin by ten times this number (48,000 or so) so this 0.5% automatic recount hurdle should be easily overcome. So although I wouldn't be surprised to see a recount in Pennsylvania, I think this means that it will need an affidavit process and will require Trump to pay for the recount.
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C J Snarzell
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I think it's fair to say Trump is on his way out. His lunatic behaviour must be evidence that he cannot remain in the White House for another four years.
The worrying thing is that Trump is a bad loser and he is still in charge of the States until the 20th January. Its sadly not like the UK when the winner takes charge straight away.
I have feeling his spiteful attitude at not getting another term in office will just mean he is bound to do something ridiculous during the next two months.
CJ
The worrying thing is that Trump is a bad loser and he is still in charge of the States until the 20th January. Its sadly not like the UK when the winner takes charge straight away.
I have feeling his spiteful attitude at not getting another term in office will just mean he is bound to do something ridiculous during the next two months.
CJ
I agree with all that.
What remains to be seen is what the Republican Party does. I sense, but don't know, that it still sees Trump as an "asset" and that it's thanks to Trump that the party has done well apart from the presidential election. In which case the party will still cast itself in Trump's divisive image, and he could run again in four years. Or do they ditch him, and reinvent the party? In which case, in whose image? I think that it'll be easier for them to keep him, but they may have cause to regret that it four years. Reinvention is painful, our Labour Party is going through it of course, and I think the Labour Party is going to come out of the process much stronger - but then despite how I loathe Trump and all he stands for, it seems clear that a large number of American voters don't.
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