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I had found daytime queuing was very much the norm whatever time I turned up at our local Waitrose, but the wait was rarely more than 5-10 minutes to get in. Nevertheless, I've now changed to shopping after 7:00 pm - walk straight in, there's usually only around half a dozen punters in the store at that time; the downside is there's usually only one checkout till open!

Social media reports indicate shopping at the local Asda hasn't been, shall we say, the pleasantest of experiences; it's not been helped by a single-line and heavily-enforced snaking queue inside the store in order to access both main and self-service tills ....
 
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Alternatively going first thing on a Saturday or Sunday should help in avoiding queues.
Doesn't work everywhere. Sainsburys Colchester Avenue in Cardiff had a queue at 10:15 on Sunday. Only short when I went in but when I came out there were at least 10 people.
 

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Late night seems to work best for queue avoidance, at least around here. I seriously hope we don't see evening hours cut back again.
 

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Doesn't work everywhere. Sainsburys Colchester Avenue in Cardiff had a queue at 10:15 on Sunday. Only short when I went in but when I came out there were at least 10 people.
First thing to me is 09:00 or earlier. In the case of Sainsburys the Local shops open from 07:00. I've gone in at 07:20 before in order to be in and out quickly as I know there will be very few other shoppers at that time of day.
Uses up less of my day compared to going in the evening.
 
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Back to late March, April & May when only essential shops were open plus both travel and the number of shopping trips were to be as few as possible the queues at two Sainsburys near to me were longer than Tesco or Aldi. I posted then wondering if the reason was collections from Argos.

Now again queues at Sainsburys could this partly be Argos collections? One store has one sets of doors which are by Argos out of use. What they could do is use these for Argos so splitting any queuing. Of course from a sales perspective more likely people would make their collection and leave rather than buying in the store too.
 

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Back to late March, April & May when only essential shops were open plus both travel and the number of shopping trips were to be as few as possible the queues at two Sainsburys near to me were longer than Tesco or Aldi. I posted then wondering if the reason was collections from Argos.

Now again queues at Sainsburys could this partly be Argos collections? One store has one sets of doors which are by Argos out of use. What they could do is use these for Argos so splitting any queuing. Of course from a sales perspective more likely people would make their collection and leave rather than buying in the store too.

Honestly I think it is just because Sainsburys have been one of the more cautious supermarkets throughout this whole thing so may well be allowing fewer people in than others - Round here they are definitely the most "visible" in terms of multiple security on the doors / people washing trolleys etc.

At the absolute margin there may be a small impact from ancillary services but how many people are really collecting things from Argos at any time?
 

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First thing to me is 09:00 or earlier. In the case of Sainsburys the Local shops open from 07:00. I've gone in at 07:20 before in order to be in and out quickly as I know there will very few other shoppers at that time of day.
Uses up less of my day compared to going in the evening.
Went into a Morrisons for a change today. In terms of COVID-19 measures, a bit of a car crash. Staff loading shelves with their masks below their chin. Then I was stood by the desserts fridges and somebody parked themselves right next to me, - a member of staff with their nose poking out of their mask. I stepped away and got a cursory "oh! sorry", I gave up on that aisle. Quickly got a couple of items and then went to check out, only to find that there was a 'basket queue'. That was a narrow aisle about 5ft wide and 30 ft long with a queue of shoppers close enough to do a conga! Gave up and went to Sainsburys. Much more compliance there, both with staff and shoppers. No queue to get in or to check out.
 

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Went into a Morrisons for a change today. In terms of COVID-19 measures, a bit of a car crash. Staff loading shelves with their masks below their chin. Then I was stood by the desserts fridges and somebody parked themselves right next to me, - a member of staff with their nose poking out of their mask. I stepped away and got a cursory "oh! sorry", I gave up on that aisle. Quickly got a couple of items and then went to check out, only to find that there was a 'basket queue'. That was a narrow aisle about 5ft wide and 30 ft long with a queue of shoppers close enough to do a conga! Gave up and went to Sainsburys. Much more compliance there, both with staff and shoppers. No queue to get in or to check out.
I'd mirror your experience in Penzance. My Morrisons shopping days are over for the foreseeable future: their PR spin all the time about 'extra staff on the checkouts/recruiting all these extra people' is given the lie by listening in to staff conversations. Many new staff don't last the day and, in any case, the so-called manager (no obvious person to answer this description) is only allocated the same number of staff hours to 'man' the tills, so rarely more than three open out of about ten. Now the cafe is open again, those staff from there who transferred to the store have gone back again.
 
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Just to be clear on queues, each store will has a maximum number of people that can be on the shop floor at any one time. This is based on the physical size of the shop floor and staff and customers count towards the total. The methodology for determining the number of people allowed at any one time will have been agreed by the retailers Home Authority (that is normally the local authority where the retailers Head Office is located)

At a store with a large shop floor, that doesn't see a high footfall of customers, then it is highly unlikely that you will ever have to queue to enter. On the other hand take a medium sized store that has very high customer numbers, you might need to queue to get in. Remember also that at certain times of the day some stores will have online shoppers picking customer orders - there numbers doing this all count towards the overall number of people allowed on the shop floor.
 

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At a store with a large shop floor, that doesn't see a high footfall of customers, then it is highly unlikely that you will ever have to queue to enter. On the other hand take a medium sized store that has very high customer numbers, you might need to queue to get in. Remember also that at certain times of the day some stores will have online shoppers picking customer orders - there numbers doing this all count towards the overall number of people allowed on the shop floor.

That is interesting and perhaps explains why Waitrose seem to have queues more than other stores (in my experience) - Waitrose are typically smaller stores because they don't have clothing departments, electrical departments etc. I guess all this extra space allows Tesco and Asda to allow more customers in, even though the customers are not actually shopping in the non-food sections.
 

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That is interesting and perhaps explains why Waitrose seem to have queues more than other stores (in my experience) - Waitrose are typically smaller stores because they don't have clothing departments, electrical departments etc. I guess all this extra space allows Tesco and Asda to allow more customers in, even though the customers are not actually shopping in the non-food sections.
My local Tesco is a full store but has no electrical and the barest minimum of clothing e.g. no menswear.
 

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General view of the supermarkets is that it is not the job of supermarket staff to enforce wearing of face coverings, it is the job of the police. SUpermarket staff are already suffering huge amounts of abuse during the pandemic without adding further hassle and conflict.

London Borough of Barking and Dagenham are trying to change this by trying to get permission from the secretary of state about shop staff who don't enforce and complaining that they are not able to issue fixed penalties
I have emailed the man in the article who wrote the letter asking if he takes an equally robust stance against shops who break the law by not mentioning exemptions noting that he does not either but have predictably had no response

 

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London Borough of Barking and Dagenham are trying to change this by trying to get permission from the secretary of state about shop staff who don't enforce and complaining that they are not able to issue fixed penalties

Fixed penalties for anything should only be issued by people who have been properly trained - not some minimum-wage supermarket security bloke. It would inevitably lead to people who are exempt being forced even more towards he edges of society than is currently the case.
 

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Fixed penalties for anything should only be issued by people who have been properly trained - not some minimum-wage supermarket security bloke. It would inevitably lead to people who are exempt being forced even more towards he edges of society than is currently the case.
And who have a financial interest in the outcome unlike the police
No Thanks !
 
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It would effectively be a private police force, which would not go down well with the public, or indeed the actual police.

In other news, went to Asda today for click and collect. It's getting more popular, I had to wait in the car for about 10 minutes to get my stuff, whereas I was straight in and out last week.
 

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It would effectively be a private police force, which would not go down well with the public, or indeed the actual police.
To be fair, private organisations can already be accredited under the Community Safety Accreditation Scheme (Csas) to issue fixed penalty notices for various minor offences, this can include things such as antisocial behaviour or even shoplifting, depending on the individual’s accreditation.

As it stands, the only people authorised to issue fixed penalty notices as of the present time for face coverings are Police, PCSOs and TfL officers (who must be working on TfL premises or at a location served by TfL services, these are accredited under Csas).
 

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As it stands, the only people authorised to issue fixed penalty notices as of the present time for face coverings are Police, PCSOs and TfL officers (who must be working on TfL premises or at a location served by TfL services, these are accredited under Csas).

And that shouldn't change, because the law is so vague that it would inevitably be over-used by certain individuals.
 

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Article on this from the Grocer Magazine.


It’s hard to remember a time when face masks weren’t part of the daily news cycle. This week, we’ve been treated to several stories on the inexplicably contentious politics of covering your face.

Most notably, Donald Trump whipped up a media storm by removing his surgical mask to pose for pictures, shortly after being admitted to hospital for coronavirus. At the same time, a less high-profile story unfolded for the UK supermarkets, as one local council lambasted stores for allowing shoppers to enter without masks.

According to a report by The Guardian, Barking & Dagenham Council issued Sainsbury’s, Lidl, Morrisons and B&M Stores with enforcement notices after their staff were seen failing to enforce mask-wearing and social distancing. But it turns out they didn’t have the power to do so – at least according to the Department for Business, Enterprise and Industrial Strategy, which called on the council “to refrain from taking any further action”.

The confusion is understandable. After all, the government says supermarkets – along with other premises where masks are required – should take “reasonable steps to promote compliance with the law”. Asking shoppers to wear masks before entering the store seems a reasonable step.

The shopworker abuse epidemic: what can be done to stop it?

But the article failed to point out a key issue here: staff abuse. Violence and verbal threats against shopworkers have rocketed since the pandemic hit, and asking people to comply with Covid-19 measures has proven a flashpoint. That’s according to Usdaw, which conducted a survey of 5,000 shopworker members in March and April. Of those members, 3,069 were on the end of verbal abuse, 1,426 were threatened and 196 were physically assaulted.

For that reason, Usdaw is keen to ensure shopworkers don’t become the “mask police”. So it’s understandable – at a time when Co-op and Central England Co-op have given their staff bodycams due to safety concerns – that supermarkets don’t want to ask their staff to become enforcers, either.

Plus, let’s not forget that supermarket staff don’t have the power to hand out fines in the same way as police officers. At the same time, there is no specific offence for abusing shopworkers – something industry leaders are looking to change. All of which adds up to a vulnerable position.

So unless that changes, shopworkers shouldn’t be blamed for customers refusing to wear masks. As Donald Trump’s example proved, the balance of power is crucial in these situations. After all, would photographers at the White House have dared ask the US president to mask up?
 

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If I was working in a supermarket I'd just stack the shelves and definitely NOT question people about what they are wearing. As a customer I just want to get in and out without hassle.
 

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A couple of my local supermarkets are going down the "one person from a household" allowed policy again, which was very prevalent in the spring. This is incredibly irritating, as neither of us drive, so we tend to shop together to be able to carry all the stuff back.

The choice is either go to the other supermarkets that don't have this policy (which we do), or go shopping more often for smaller amounts which just increases 'exposure' and thus negates the idea completely. I'm presuming we aren't the only household with this situation.
 

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The choice is either go to the other supermarkets that don't have this policy (which we do), or go shopping more often for smaller amounts which just increases 'exposure' and thus negates the idea completely. I'm presuming we aren't the only household with this situation.

Or one person can do something else while the other does the shopping.
That is what me and my partner did when the places near us had this rule. I went into the supermarket to do the main shop, she popped to the boots just around the corner to get her medical stuff, and we met outside once we were both done.
Appreciate that may not work for everyone or every place (especially where there is nothing else near the supermarket), but it is an option (hell there was at least one time where we had nice weather so she just had a relax on one of the benches near the supermarket whilst waiting).
 

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Article on this from the Grocer Magazine.


The question is - how much of this is necessary? Were places like supermarkets ever a place of high risk spread?

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A couple of my local supermarkets are going down the "one person from a household" allowed policy again, which was very prevalent in the spring. This is incredibly irritating, as neither of us drive, so we tend to shop together to be able to carry all the stuff back.

The choice is either go to the other supermarkets that don't have this policy (which we do), or go shopping more often for smaller amounts which just increases 'exposure' and thus negates the idea completely. I'm presuming we aren't the only household with this situation.

It’s incredibly irritating, and it’s also completely unnecessary - which then leads to a completely avoidable flashpoint.
 

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Or one person can do something else while the other does the shopping.
That is what me and my partner did when the places near us had this rule. I went into the supermarket to do the main shop, she popped to the boots just around the corner to get her medical stuff, and we met outside once we were both done.
Appreciate that may not work for everyone or every place (especially where there is nothing else near the supermarket), but it is an option (hell there was at least one time where we had nice weather so she just had a relax on one of the benches near the supermarket whilst waiting).
When my local supermarket had this in place there was always a group of poorly-socially-distanced men parked outside having a chat. I don't think they regarded it as much of a hardship, but in terms of preventing disease-spread they'd have been better off inside.

In my parents case, since my dad isn't really with-it enough to do a decent sized shop on his own it means that my mum has to do all the work, and my dad loses the ability to make any choices. He also gets further excluded from the outside world, which obviously isn't helping him. Increasingly I don't think they believe they are going to be around to see the end of this.
 

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Or one person can do something else while the other does the shopping.
That is what me and my partner did when the places near us had this rule. I went into the supermarket to do the main shop, she popped to the boots just around the corner to get her medical stuff, and we met outside once we were both done.
Appreciate that may not work for everyone or every place (especially where there is nothing else near the supermarket), but it is an option (hell there was at least one time where we had nice weather so she just had a relax on one of the benches near the supermarket whilst waiting).

Well yes that's assuming you have other stuff to get at the same time, which isn't always the case. It just means someone could then go wandering off into another shop they hadn't planned to whilst the other does the actual intended shopping, and if you do unsuspectingly have COVID in your household then you've just put two places unnecessarily at risk of exposure instead of the one.

Luckily we have a plethora of supermarket options so we just ignore the ones with the stupid rules, although I think these shops will become fewer and more far between as winter goes in. To be honest, this isn't as irritating as one-way systems, which I fear will make a comeback.
 

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The Morrison’s in Partick was had an insanely long queue when I visited it on Monday. I was going to go and get a lunch meal deal inside, but I could see the queue lasted about 15-20 minutes and stretched half the perimeter of the building. Completely purposeless, frustrating for the customer, and a pointless piece of “Covid-theatre”
 

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It’s incredibly irritating, and it’s also completely unnecessary - which then leads to a completely avoidable flashpoint.
Why is it unnecessary? Especially if there is a queue when that extra unnecessary person is leaving someone else outside in the cold.
Its much easier to distance around single people rather than couples round a trolley, who frankly tend to be selfish, unaware, space-hoggers at the best of times.
 

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A couple of my local supermarkets are going down the "one person from a household" allowed policy again, which was very prevalent in the spring. This is incredibly irritating, as neither of us drive, so we tend to shop together to be able to carry all the stuff back.

The choice is either go to the other supermarkets that don't have this policy (which we do), or go shopping more often for smaller amounts which just increases 'exposure' and thus negates the idea completely. I'm presuming we aren't the only household with this situation.

Or go into the shop separately with your own basket/trolley and split your shopping list.

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Why is it unnecessary? Especially if there is a queue when that extra unnecessary person is leaving someone else outside in the cold.
Its much easier to distance around single people rather than couples round a trolley, who frankly tend to be selfish, unaware, space-hoggers at the best of times.

The main problem you'll get there is families with two kids. There should not, in the circumstances, be two parents and two children supermarket shopping. It's a nuisance at the best of times. One parent can shop, the other parent can do something more rewarding with the kids. Or take one kid in and involve them properly in learning about shopping.
 

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Why is it unnecessary? Especially if there is a queue when that extra unnecessary person is leaving someone else outside in the cold.
Its much easier to distance around single people rather than couples round a trolley, who frankly tend to be selfish, unaware, space-hoggers at the best of times.

I think we need to take a step back first and ask whether there is actually any evidence of supermarkets presenting a particular risk - so far, I've not see any. And if not, the whole performance is unnecessary.
 

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I think we need to take a step back first and ask whether there is actually any evidence of supermarkets presenting a particular risk - so far, I've not see any. And if not, the whole performance is unnecessary.
Wouldn't have thought it would be any riskier than other similar places - school drop offs, leisure centres etc.
 

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Just a thought, is there any requirement bring a car to click and collect? Could you turn up on a bicycle?
 
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