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Protesters repeatedly stop traffic at pedestrian crossing

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A pensioner, angry at lorries driving through Chideock in Dorset, has been blocking traffic using a pedestrian crossing.
Tony Fuller and his neighbours brought traffic to a standstill for an hour on the A35 on Tuesday.
Mr Fuller said the road is too narrow for heavy lorries and wants a bypass built around the village.
However, not all residents back Mr Fuller's actions, and Valerie Hawkins said the protests increase pollution while the cars are stationary.

I agree with his concerns, however I think the solution is NOT to build more roads (that just encourages even more traffic overall and shifts the problem elsewhere) but for freight to go by train instead.

Lorries should pay for the wear and tear they cause on the roads, and the pollution and inconvenience they cause. It's not a level playing field at all. Road freight is effectively subsidised by not having to pay access charges.
 
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By passes are not the answer. They cost a bomb, destroy the environment and leave any businesses like shops and cafes on the old road isolated.

Large lorries should not be allowed on these types of roads. Freight should go as far as possible by train, and then be distributed using smaller lorries. Where are they all going to/from anyway?
 

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I agree with his concerns, however I think the solution is NOT to build more roads (that just encourages even more traffic overall and shifts the problem elsewhere) but for freight to go by train instead.


Not as straightforward as you may think. I live near the container base at Freightliner terminal, and Mossend freight depot. The latter's not a problem because it has excellent access to the A8 Glasgow-Edinburgh road (and, from there, access North and South via the M74/M73-A80/A725...)

But Freightliner's Coatbridge base is an absolute nightmare. It's on an unclassified road, and passes by a school. There's a set of traffic lights so high up to allow the lorries to see them that they are nearly impossible for car drivers to see (and I've seen many people go through them at red). If you don't know they're there coming off the roundabout, you could easily miss them.

This is a nightmare. To get anywhere, they have to crawl through some residential areas of Coatbridge, and some unsuitable roads. Like bypassing, poorly planned rail freight terminals simply shift the lorries elsewhere, in this case to unsuitable areas.
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By passes are not the answer. They cost a bomb, destroy the environment and leave any businesses like shops and cafes on the old road isolated?

Bypasses are often needed. A good local example is the Bellshill Bypass section of the A725. Without this road, the local roads would simply seize up-they could not cope with thousands of extra cars a day that would still need to make this journey. And it's hardly destroyed the local area; businesses were thriving (until the recession and subsequent arrival of Tesco anyway).

A lot of the traffic's going to be there, like it or not. Bypassing is often the only feasible outcome. And, in this case, it is. Looking at the local area, I'd imagine that a dual-carriageway bypass is the best solution.
 
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Where are they all going to/from anyway?

Between Southampton and the West Country. Almost all the container traffic travelling between Southampton and the M5 for South Devon and Cornwall goes that way, the road is wide enough for two trucks to pass each other easily. I agree that Chideock could do with a bypass to ease the climbs each side of the village. It wouldn't affect the local economy much if at all. Lyme Regis was bypassed years ago and I doubt that anyone would want the A35 there again. Same with Newbury and the A34.
 

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I agree with his concerns, however I think the solution is NOT to build more roads (that just encourages even more traffic overall and shifts the problem elsewhere) but for freight to go by train instead.

Lorries should pay for the wear and tear they cause on the roads, and the pollution and inconvenience they cause. It's not a level playing field at all. Road freight is effectively subsidised by not having to pay access charges.

To be honest Yorkie I doubt you have ever been to Chideok. I think if you were to visit you would most likely agree that it is a special case.

 

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There may be special cases dotted around Britain, and Chideok may well be one of those, but in general I don't think by-passes solve the problem. Yorkie is right that building more and more roads simply papers over the problem. What we need to do is to get more of the traffic carried by the bigger lorries on to the rails.
 

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Sounds like another case of somebody with too much time on their hands. The road doesn't have any restrictions, so get over it if lorries use it. Silly old man :roll:
 

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Although I think his actions are foolish, he has legitimate concerns that affect the whole of society. We need to look at the bigger picture!
 

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The issue is that we have been very shortsighted, road transport was seen as the way of the future on railways closed. Investment was made in roads but in many cases the roads were not completely built, this leaves us with a situation where you have a dual carriageway with grade separated junctions for miles that turns until a country lane and goes through a village before turning back into a high quality dual carriageway a few mile later. The result is a bottleneck, congestion and increased CO2 emissions.
 

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And he's only making the pollution worse by continually pressing the button, affecting his quality of life. Perhaps the local council should build him a bridge.
 

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Sounds like another case of somebody with too much time on their hands. The road doesn't have any restrictions, so get over it if lorries use it. Silly old man :roll:

Does the use of the crossing have any restrictions on it? Sounds like it's badly planned if using it too often causes this congestion.
 

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The issue is that we have been very shortsighted, road transport was seen as the way of the future on railways closed. Investment was made in roads but in many cases the roads were not completely built, this leaves us with a situation where you have a dual carriageway with grade separated junctions for miles that turns until a country lane and goes through a village before turning back into a high quality dual carriageway a few mile later. The result is a bottleneck, congestion and increased CO2 emissions.

That's not the case here. The nearest dual carriageways on the A35 are to the east of Dorchester and to the west of Honiton, 18 and 22 miles away. That's a 40 mile stretch of the A35.
 

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Does the use of the crossing have any restrictions on it? Sounds like it's badly planned if using it too often causes this congestion.

Yes. It's restriction code is 3Z, which means you cannot use the crossing to arrive at the Post Office before 1130 on Mondays to Fridays. You cannot return from the pub between 1630 and 1930 on any day. You can get round these restrictions by informing the crossing that you are going to or returning from Asda, however, as the restrictions do not apply if you are heading out of the former Network West Dorset area, and I believe Asda is outside that area. You may get apprehended by a Dorset Council official however, who may have followed you and arrest you for being in breach of the restrictions.

Of course, there are no restrictions if you possess a crossing season ticket.

Sorry about all that, I couldn't resist it. I really should get a life.
 
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