Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

[Murray J]

142037, 142052, 142064 EMR Kingsbury

Don't you mean 142050?

 

[Coolzac]

Does anyone know if Northern are doing a pacer farewell tour? If so does anyone know any details? Thanks!

 

[superkev]

Don't you mean 142050?

May be wrong but I too have 050 as still at Gascoign wood. Prob 052 at scrap.
K

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Don't you mean 142050?

No, this is the formation they came from Heaton in and this is the formation they left Worksop in

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Does anyone know if Northern are doing a pacer farewell tour? If so does anyone know any details? Thanks!

My best guess is no, because it’s northern

 

[Skymonster]

Half of 142029 (55570) is now reported on WNXX as being at the Chasewater Railway

 

[superkev]

Half of 142029 (55570) is now reported on WNXX as being at the Chasewater Railway

Interesting. Presumably they want the other half.
What's WNXX, can I access it?
K

 

[anamyd]

Interesting. Presumably they want the other half.
What's WNXX, can I access it?
K

I don't know what WNXX stands for or means, but it's another online railway forum that has existed since before RailUK, apparently. You have to be a member to see threads / posts, and registering is free but you have to wait to be "approved"). Also, threads seem to be locked after not very long from what I saw. If I understand rightly, it also has some sort of publication which I believe requires a (paid...?) subscription.

 

[SteveyBee131]

I don't know what WNXX stands for or means...

Hopefully I'm not going too far off topic to answer this, but in a roundabout sort of way it is linked so here goes...

Once upon a time locomotives (and I imagine all rolling stock) were allocated into 'pools', which to make things easier for paperwork, TOPS and the like had codes. Perhaps HNTP for Heaton TransPennine, HNNE for Heaton North East (not necessarily accurate, just to get the idea )

In time when locos etc are ready for withdrawal, I seem to remember pool codes like WNXX, WNYX and WNZX are used. Something along the lines of 'Withdrawn stored serviceable', 'Withdrawn stored unserviceable', and 'Withdrawn for disposal', though not necessarily in that order.
So it would appear, the founders of said forum perhaps took one of those pool codes as their name perhaps.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Hopefully I'm not going too far off topic to answer this, but in a roundabout sort of way it is linked so here goes...

Once upon a time locomotives (and I imagine all rolling stock) were allocated into 'pools', which to make things easier for paperwork, TOPS and the like had codes. Perhaps HNTP for Heaton TransPennine, HNNE for Heaton North East (not necessarily accurate, just to get the idea )

In time when locos etc are ready for withdrawal, I seem to remember pool codes like WNXX, WNYX and WNZX are used. Something along the lines of 'Withdrawn stored serviceable', 'Withdrawn stored unserviceable', and 'Withdrawn for disposal', though not necessarily in that order.
So it would appear, the founders of said forum perhaps took one of those pool codes as their name perhaps.

Seems like a possible answer however WNXX is a website http://www.wnxx.com/

 

[trainmania100]

Does anyone know if Northern are doing a pacer farewell tour? If so does anyone know any details? Thanks!

Doesn't look like it, they're being sent for disposal and storage thick and fast. Its probably safe to assume the TfW one a little while ago is probably all we get.
Nonetheless it might be worth keeping an eye on the branch line society website as something could pop up

 

[anamyd]

Seems like a possible answer however WNXX is a website http://www.wnxx.com/

post 2167...

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Updated to show 142029 as at Chasewater Railway and the three most recently scrapped units.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - One coach preserved at Chasewater Railway. Other at Worksop?
030 - in storage at Worksop
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032
033 - was in storage at Worksop, now at Landore being stripped of spare parts.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped
060 - in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull
061
062
063
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped
614
615 - Scrapped
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023

 

[Southdunedain]

Interesting. Presumably they want the other half.
What's WNXX, can I access it?
K

According to someone who looks to be involved and is posting to the Pacer group on FB, the other half will be arriving soon.

 

[The_Train]

I don't know what WNXX stands for or means, but it's another online railway forum that has existed since before RailUK, apparently. You have to be a member to see threads / posts, and registering is free but you have to wait to be "approved"). Also, threads seem to be locked after not very long from what I saw. If I understand rightly, it also has some sort of publication which I believe requires a (paid...?) subscription.

Being "approved" for a forum is something that happens a lot and is a way for the moderating team to stop spam-bots from mass signing. As for the comment about threads being locked quickly, I've spent more time on that forum over the last few months and I've not seen anything that would suggest that the moderating team lock threads early, particularly when compared to other forums I use. In fact the only time I've seen threads locked are either when duplicates occur or when an on-going discussion reaches a certain amount of pages (ie on-going threads about specific T/FOCs) and is closed and discussion is restarted on a new thread as part 2. Not sure of their reasons for this as I've never asked but it's quite handy for trying to find stuff in old threads, especially if someone can tell you which part it's in. Saves trawling back through hundreds of pages of waffle to find what you need. I'm also a subscriber to their paid sections as well and it's a fantastic resource for loco information. Well worth the subscription price if you like to keep up to date with loco changes.

Anyway, back to the topic in hand as I said on there, it's a fantastic move by the Chasewater Railway to acquire one of these. It's pretty much on my doorstep but I've never been overly bothered about visiting there as I've always associated it with industrial steam locos but I'll definitely be visiting if a pacer is trundling up and down. I reckon pacers could be a bit of a money spinner for heritage railways, particularly in the early days of running them

 

[Chris217]

The East Lancs Railway are pretty good at preserving stuff from their area.
Would be nice if they managed to bag a good 142,and maybe put it back into GMPTE livery!
I think Pacers look better in pairs though tbh.
Not sure if Pacers can be hauled by a loco.
Maybe the danger of having only one set is that nothing else can rescue it if it fails.
Would be interesting to find out for sure though.

 

[Murray J]

Interesting. Presumably they want the other half.

in theory they would, but it's possible they don't intend to run it, instead keeping it as an exhibit or a museum piece, that sort of thing.

 

[Geeves]

Yes Pacers can be moved around by locos using the coupling adaptor.

 

[woodhouse122]

Hoping Midland railway go for either a 142 or a 144 ,it would complement thier 141 very nicely

 

[Chris217]

Yes Pacers can be moved around by locos using the coupling adaptor.

Thanks for that.
Dont think I've ever seen a Pacer totally fail to warrant the rescue by a locomotive.
I suppose there would be no need really as another unit can come to its aid if need be.


Shocked to see,according to
Northern Spirits fleet list status how quickly these have been retired.
Looks like Cardiff could be the last haven for Pacer fans alike.

 

[J-2739]

Thanks for that.
Dont think I've ever seen a Pacer totally fail to warrant the rescue by a locomotive.
I suppose there would be no need really as another unit can come to its aid if need be.


Shocked to see,according to
Northern Spirits fleet list status how quickly these have been retired.
Looks like Cardiff could be the last haven for Pacer fans alike.

Or South Yorkshire, as that's where the 144s will be kept into the New Year, and beyond.

 

[Llama]

Yes Pacers can be moved around by locos using the coupling adaptor.

Only at 5mph with no brake continuity, brakes would need to be isolated on the Pacer.

 

[Neptune]

Or South Yorkshire, as that's where the 144s will be kept into the New Year, and beyond.

You obviously haven’t been to Leeds in the last week. Loads of 144 operated services about still.

 

[Neptune]

Half of 142029 (55570) is now reported on WNXX as being at the Chasewater Railway

One of the 5 still in almost original condition along with 003, 013, 030 & 067. These weren’t touched by FNW as they were meant to be the ones coming off lease when the Oldham loop closed.

 

[J-2739]

You obviously haven’t been to Leeds in the last week. Loads of 144 operated services about still.

Yes, I didn't deny that.

 

[Paul_10]

One of the 5 still in almost original condition along with 003, 013, 030 & 067. These weren’t touched by FNW as they were meant to be the ones coming off lease when the Oldham loop closed.

Not anymore as it had the flooring replaced along with the side panals as they were a blue colour and not Northerns purple colour.

It has been impressive how quick all these pacers have been withdrawn and not many being used for service. Sad to think that I won't see or ride one again though.

 

[Neptune]

Not anymore as it had the flooring replaced along with the side panals as they were a blue colour and not Northerns purple colour.

I meant the seating layout, no luggage racks fitted etc... Paint and flooring is window dressing that can be reversed.

 

[IamTrainsYT]

Or South Yorkshire, as that's where the 144s will be kept into the New Year, and beyond.

Northern have said that the hope valley line will be the last place for pacers (in February)

 

[johnnychips]

^They are Manchester workings. Do you think they mean 142s rather than all Pacers, of which there are many 144s around Sheffield at the moment?

As a matter of interest, if you can drive a 142, can you drive a 144 without additional training?

 

[trainmania100]

Do we recon there will be any more pacer scrap moves before the new year ? Can't see any paths in for next week yet maybe Kingsbury and Newport are shut for Xmas now