The 2019 General Election Result and Aftermath

[radamfi]

Good for them.

What’s unforgivable is that the people were asked a question, promised their answer would be implemented, and are still waiting for that 3.5 years on.

So it is OK if they destroy my life?

 

[Comstock]

What is it you feel you will gain from Brexit?

For me personally? Lower rents and the rental market being less skewed in the landlord's favour in general.

It *is* definitely about rents, but also how tenants are treated over things like repairs.

 

[Bletchleyite]

For me the only way back for Labour is to accept Brexit, and there are some signs they might do so.

Whether we like it or not, everyone needs to accept it, as now Bozza has his majority it will happen. And to be honest, it seems clear to me that this election was basically a second referendum and unlike the first one it went decisively in favour of Brexit, and furthermore decided what type of Brexit by giving a strong mandate to Bozza's deal.

It's not what I wanted, but this time round it seems very clear to me that it is what the majority wants - that's how it works.

 

[Bletchleyite]

For me personally? Lower rents and the rental market being less skewed in the landlord's favour in general.

It *is* definitely about rents, but also how tenants are treated over things like repairs.

I'm not aware of a plan to reduce immigration, which would be needed for the above to occur unless there was primary legislation on the matters you outline. So far as I know numbers would remain the same but would come from a wider range of places via the proposed points-based system.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

And austerity since 2010 has cut local authority funding more than nearly everything else, along with capping of council tax. So many of them can do virtually nothing beyond their statutory duties in things such as social care. The Cameron government gave a certain amount of autonomy, but nowhere near reversing the cuts in power and funding going back to at least 1979, and plenty of places have missed out even on that.

Can't disagree there. The "Cambourne" austerity drive gave the local authorities the wherewithal to spend where they needed but a) the cut the central funding and b) didn't escape the mandatory statutory obligations so it was a case of shifting the blame to LAs as to where the cuts were going to be made.

 

[Comstock]

I'm not aware of a plan to reduce immigration, which would be needed for the above to occur unless there was primary legislation on the matters you outline. So far as I know numbers would remain the same but would come from a wider range of places via the proposed points-based system.

Let's see what happens. I'll be disappointed if rents aren't lower (in real terms) within 5 years of FoM ending.

 

[radamfi]

Whether we like it or not, everyone needs to accept it, as now Bozza has his majority it will happen.

I will never accept it. NEVER!

 

[Bletchleyite]

I will never accept it. NEVER!

It's still going to happen...if only it had happened 3 years ago, avoiding years of political paralysis and the related effects on British business.

 

[AlterEgo]

I will never accept it. NEVER!

Get help.

 

[43066]

I'm not aware of a plan to reduce immigration, which would be needed for the above to occur unless there was primary legislation on the matters you outline. So far as I know numbers would remain the same but would come from a wider range of places via the proposed points-based system.

It might be desirable to reduce net settlement in the U.K., and that will be a lot more achievable once free movement is ended.

However immigration (on a work permit type basis) will still be needed and, as you allude to, there is a chronic housing shortage, particularly in the South East, which also needs to be addressed.

 

[radamfi]

Now that there is a large majority, there is no need to push through a hard Brexit as there is no longer a need to keep the ERG happy.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

The thing I find annoying is people have had 9 years of tory hardship and mismanagement yet they vote the same charlatans back in. Let's see who they try to pin their failings on.
Maybe they'll try to blame Labour economy mismanagement again, despite borrowing rising year on year yet austerity getting worse (no I don't believe Boris' election promises, I don't believe pathological liars).

Who do you vote for?

Do you vote for the pathological liar but he's promised to action the single biggest decision this country has made OR
The single most unpopular opposition leader with a woeful record on dealing with anti-semitism, etc

That ignores the Lib Dems who were campaigning to rip up the democratic decision of the referendum despite most of their traditional heartlands (like the South West) being strongly Leave

Whether we like it or not, everyone needs to accept it, as now Bozza has his majority it will happen. And to be honest, it seems clear to me that this election was basically a second referendum and unlike the first one it went decisively in favour of Brexit, and furthermore decided what type of Brexit by giving a strong mandate to Bozza's deal.

It's not what I wanted, but this time round it seems very clear to me that it is what the majority wants - that's how it works.

I agree with you totally - not often that happens

 

[Comstock]

It might be desirable to reduce net settlement in the U.K., and that will be a lot more achievable once free movement is ended.

However immigration (on a work permit type basis) will still be needed and, as you allude to, there is a chronic housing shortage, particularly in the South East, which needs to be addressed.

I'm not convinced immigration is needed, not on a large scale. It might be 'wanted' by the rich and powerful that own businesses, but that is not at all the same thing as 'needed'

 

[AlterEgo]

I'm not convinced immigration is needed, not on a large scale. It might be 'wanted' by the rich and powerful that own businesses, but that is not at all the same thing as 'needed'

There will always be a need for skilled immigration - to fill jobs which we don’t currently have the skills for. Chartered accountancy is one of many professions we don’t have the requisite native skills for.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Now that there is a large majority, there is no need to push through a hard Brexit as there is no longer a need to keep the ERG happy.

On that we can agree. Hopefully the most extreme elements will be sidelined and we will leave in due course with the least damaging deal.

 

[radamfi]

My life and many other people's lives are going to be SERIOUSLY AFFECTED!

 

[Comstock]

So it is OK if they destroy my life?

Can I ask what your concern is, and how you feel your life is going to be 'destroyed'?

 

[Butts]

Have just been watching the Welsh coverage of the General Election on BBC I Player , quite enjoying it.

One ridiculous feature is as to why they insist on announcing the results in Welsh as well as English. In some seats you have a farcical double act as the Returning Officer obviously is not proficient in his or her mother tongue.

I mean Wrexham/Wrecsam there are probably more scousers then Welsh speakers !!!

Hopefully this tokenism trend will not spread further than the Western Isles up here.

 

[radamfi]

Can I ask what your concern is, and how you feel your life is going to be 'destroyed'?

I will lose free movement and thus won't be able to retire abroad.

 

[AlterEgo]

Everything that’s wrong with the Lords in one tweet:

Zac Goldsmith, what a story. Son of humble billionaire, at 23 made editor of a magazine (owned by his uncle), gets Tory nom for leafy London seat at 32, loses the seat twice in 3 years, (also losing London mayoral race). Elevated to the House of Lords. Truly, the British dream.

As ripe a case as could be made for reform or abolition.

 

[Comstock]

I will lose free movement and thus won't be able to retire abroad.

Well for a start you don't know that, because lots of British people manage to retire to non EU countries.

Have you researched the new rules for the country you plan to retire to?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I will lose free movement and thus won't be able to retire abroad.

You might be able to if the countries concerned offer resident visas/permits. They may well do.

 

[radamfi]

Well for a start you don't know that, because lots of British people manage to retire to non EU countries.

Have you researched the new rules for the country you plan to retire to?

They don't have retirement visas. You need to have a previous connection to the country. Similarly to the UK.

 

[Comstock]

They don't have retirement visas. You need to have a previous connection to the country. Similarly to the UK.

And which country is this?

 

[radamfi]

And which country is this?

The Netherlands.

 

[Comstock]

The Netherlands.

Just as cold, wet, crowded and expensive as the UK AIUI so you might as well stay here in the UK !

 

[Raul_Duke]

For me personally? Lower rents and the rental market being less skewed in the landlord's favour in general.

It *is* definitely about rents, but also how tenants are treated over things like repairs.

Let's see what happens. I'll be disappointed if rents aren't lower (in real terms) within 5 years of FoM ending.

Boy are you in for a shock from your new friends, the famously pro-tenant, anti-Landlord Conservative party

 

[radamfi]

Just as cold, wet, crowded and expensive as the UK AIUI so you might as well stay here in the UK !

The UK doesn't have anything like the same quality of cycling infrastructure or public transport. It also has stupid laws on drugs and euthanasia.

 

[Comstock]

The UK doesn't have anything like the same quality of cycling infrastructure or public transport. It also has stupid laws on drugs and euthanasia.

Stay in the UK and fight for better public transport and a change in the laws on euthanasia.

 

[TheBigD]

Everything that’s wrong with the Lords in one tweet:

Zac Goldsmith, what a story. Son of humble billionaire, at 23 made editor of a magazine (owned by his uncle), gets Tory nom for leafy London seat at 32, loses the seat twice in 3 years, (also losing London mayoral race). Elevated to the House of Lords. Truly, the British dream.

As ripe a case as could be made for reform or abolition.

Putting aside their other policies the Brexit party were propsing reform and elected chamber. I stand to be corrected but I think Nigel Farage is looking at a type of reform party going forward.