The 2019 General Election Result and Aftermath

[Aictos]

Excellent news on the results, finally there’s a majority which hopefully means the deadlock in parliament will be smashed and we can move forward on Brexit which means we can also then move forward on domestic policies.

Not surprised at all about the Labour result considering how it’s taken the crown of being the Nasty Party but also how the moderates are under lock and key with the hard left firmly in the driving seat which has alienated traditional Labour voters.

With Scotland, I see another In/Out referendum will happen and disappointingly rightly or wrongly I think the SNP will push for the Leave vote until they win when Scotland is so fed up of the SNP they vote leave just to shut Krankie up.

All together I think this is a excellent result for the UK and it’s now time to move forward, stop the infighting and get on with governing the country.

 

[nlogax]

Various grandees from Labour and the LDs doing TV news autopsies on their party performances this morning. Pretty compelling stuff.

 

[TheBigD]

Various grandees from Labour and the LDs doing TV news autopsies on their party performances this morning. Pretty compelling stuff.

I'm listening on the radio. The lib-dem people that have been on sound quite delusional.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Once again, the pre-election thread on this website that carried a voting intention poll, has borne no reality to the actual result of the General Election, as the last one had the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party vying for first place, with the Conservative Party in third place in its poll.

That would explain the type of postings that have been made on the later stages of this thread.

 

[Jordan Adam]

Once again, the pre-election thread on this website that carried a voting intention poll, has borne no reality to the actual result of the General Election, as the last one had the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party vying for first place, with the Conservative Party in third place in its poll.

That would explain the type of postings that have been made on the later stages of this thread.

And? Wasn't the whole point of that thread to see where forum members stood - no one said that it was how the election would pan out.

 

[DarloRich]

Once again, the pre-election thread on this website that carried a voting intention poll, has borne no reality to the actual result of the General Election, as the last one had the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party vying for first place, with the Conservative Party in third place in its poll.

That would explain the type of postings that have been made on the later stages of this thread.

That is hardly a surprise surely. A small sample size from a small group!

 

[Bungle965]

Once again, the pre-election thread on this website that carried a voting intention poll, has borne no reality to the actual result of the General Election, as the last one had the Liberal Democrats and the Labour Party vying for first place, with the Conservative Party in third place in its poll.

That would explain the type of postings that have been made on the later stages of this thread.

And? Wasn't the whole point of that thread to see where forum members stood - no one said that it was how the election would pan out.

That is hardly a surprise surely. A small sample size from a small group!

Much like if you were a young person and viewed twitter on the run up to the election, you would be sure that it'd be a Labour landslide victory.
Sam

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Much like if you were a young person and viewed twitter on the run up to the election, you would be sure that it'd be a Labour landslide victory.
Sam

Now why does that statement make me wonder why I was against extending the vote to the 16-18 year age range...

 

[Jordan Adam]

Now why does that statement make me wonder why I was against extending the vote to the 16-18 year age range...

So you'd be against extending the vote because a certain demographic of people don't agree with you politically? Maybe under that same logic we should ban everyone older than 60 from voting... But we won't as it's a ridiculous idea and quite frankly ageist.

 

[jfollows]

I think the aftermath will be two things:

1. Labour, or some important parts of it, is currently in denial. If they are to have any chance, Corbyn must go now and his replacement must be capable of moulding Labour into a more appealing party to large numbers of voters. But this has been obvious to many looking from the outside for years now, and it still hasn't made Labour make the necessary changes.

2. "Get Brexit Done" will turn out to be a huge lie. But Boris Johnson has until 2024 to get us out of the EU, and the "transition arrangement" will be extended until then without much difficulty. The promise of completing this in 2020 was only for yesterday's voters. Today's euphoria of relative certainty on where we're going and how will shortly be replaced by continuing doubt. But at least it's now clear where our final destination will be, even if the path to it isn't.

I assume the Fixed Term Parliaments Act will be repealed, and hope that it is. Meaning that the next election will not be set for December 2024, and more probably will take place in summer 2024 at a time of the government's choosing, as used to be the practice.

We will also need a full review of parliamentary boundaries, and I hope that this will be based on 650 seats. The attempt to reduce the number of seats to 600 was an unnecessary mistake initiated by the 2010 government, and I hope it's quietly forgotten, but the passage of time should require a more normal review of the existing boundaries based on an unchanged number of seats. The number of metropolitan (ie Labour) seats might actually increase given the changed population shift into cities over the last ten and more years.

I'm sorry because I loathe Boris Johnson, who he is and what he stands for, but we all know that people have strong views on him one way or another.

 

[DarloRich]

Much like if you were a young person and viewed twitter on the run up to the election, you would be sure that it'd be a Labour landslide victory.
Sam

Depends who you follow! The silly student momentum types have had a harsh reality check.

 

[nlogax]

Depends who you follow! The silly student momentum types have had a harsh reality check.

Going by some of what I've seen on Twitter this morning I feel more reality checks and hard truths will be needed. The good ship Momentum seems to be just listing a bit, currently chugging through the Channels of Denial and Blame.

 

[northken]

Labour managed to even lose their seat in Kensington too - the constituency where Grenfell happened. Unthinkable really.

Vote between Tory and Labour was pretty much as tight as in 2017 but Lib Dems just had to parachute in Sam Gyimah, didn't they. If he weren't so high profile then perhaps 150 votes would have gone to Labour.

 

[swt_passenger]

Going by some of what I've seen on Twitter this morning I feel more reality checks and hard truths will be needed. The good ship Momentum seems to be just listing a bit, currently chugging through the Channels of Denial and Blame.

If Lansman and Momentum still have all the answers, you’d think they could start their own party...

 

[nlogax]

If Lansman and Momentum still have all the answers, you’d think they could start their own party...

Strangely enough Lansman has gone a bit quiet since yesterday..

 

[swt_passenger]

Strangely enough Lansman gone a bit quiet since yesterday..

I was just thinking the big TUC names haven’t been in the public eye for a few days? Had they had a premonition?

 

[Ianno87]

The way northern mining towns have swung this is going to have the same effect as the 2016 referendum - normally marginalised folk feeling heard.

Boris is really going to have to deliver them something for this, or it'll come back and bite him, hard.

That is hardly a surprise surely. A small sample size from a small group!

Much like if you were a young person and viewed twitter on the run up to the election, you would be sure that it'd be a Labour landslide victory.
Sam

Same with the 2016 Referendum. Was convinced that Remain was a shoe in to win...

Perhaps those of a more Leave disposition are less disposed to engaging in debate and seeking justification or evidence for their views...

 

[Journeyman]

If Lansman and Momentum still have all the answers, you’d think they could start their own party...

I actually hope they do. I think the best thing Labour can do before the next election is split. Momentum will sink without trace, and the centrist wing will make gains and start to recover.

God, I'd kill to be waking up in 1997 again.

 

[AlterEgo]

Chris Williamson lost his deposit. Forgot about him.

 

[yorksrob]

God, I'd kill to be waking up in 1997 again.

Can't disagree there.

 

[DarloRich]

Chris Williamson lost his deposit. Forgot about him.

Forget about him instead! Odious creature

 

[Tetchytyke]

Now why does that statement make me wonder why I was against extending the vote to the 16-18 year age range...

You didn't want them to be allowed to vote because they disagree with you. An interesting take.

Perhaps those of a more Leave disposition are less disposed to engaging in debate and seeking justification or evidence for their views

Leavers tend to be older and educated to a lower level and, by extension, are less likely to be active internet users. So online they won't have the same presence.

Labour managed to even lose their seat in Kensington too - the constituency where Grenfell happened. Unthinkable really.

The LibDems split the vote. Standing there against Dent Coad was bloody stupid of the LibDems. And I say that as a LibDem!

In 5 years time, the boomers (born 1946-55 roughly) will be between about 70 and 80 years old. That really could start to shift the voting demographic quite rapidly over a relatively short space of time.

I can only hope so. The boomers are such a huge demographic mass it's really hard to outvote them, as we saw in the referendum itself. 50 years of Thatcherism ties in nicely with the 50 years they've had the vote. Before they had the vote politics was more centrist; one would hope that as their numbers decrease, we'll move away from the MEMEME politics of the boomers.

 

[DarloRich]

God, I'd kill to be waking up in 1997 again.

Can't disagree there.

While i agree the Tories are in the same position today we were then. For the first time in a generation they have a proper majority and can do almost what they want

 

[bramling]

Depends who you follow! The silly student momentum types have had a harsh reality check.

The problem is they still can’t see it. To them many seem to think that the electorate has simply made the “wrong choice”, and that if they moan about it enough there is going to be some magic process where it can be reversed or rectified.

Now where have we seen the same attitude?!

 

[bramling]

Can't disagree there.

One wonders what Britain would look like now if we could rewind back as far as the late 1980s, and in particular re-run the post-Thatcher Conservative leadership contest, returning a winner other than John Major. For me this is the point from where things started to go wrong.

 

[Domh245]

For the first time in a generation they have a proper majority and can do almost what they want

They had a proper majority in 2015 (albeit much reduced compared to their current one) and that went so well last time

 

[yorksrob]

One wonders what Britain would look like now if we could rewind back as far as the late 1980s, and in particular re-run the post-Thatcher Conservative leadership contest, returning a winner other than John Major. For me this is the point from where things started to go wrong.

That's an interesting point in time to choose. I'm not sure whether a Heseltine or Hurd leadership would have led to a very different Conservative party (or 92 election outcome).

I think we would undoubtedly have had a more tranquil few years if Ed Milliband had won a couple of elections back.

 

[Starmill]

It has to be a centrist, IMO, but at this point I fear it will be incredibly difficult for a centrist to win the upcoming leadership election.

The field of candidates for Leader from this part of the party is astonishingly thin though. Not a single name jumps out.

 

[Starmill]

As long as such a view expressed at the end of what you say exists in the minds of the Labour Left, then they will continue to delude themselves.

This argument is already in full swing.

Those who oppose the Prime Minister and his programme for government cannot stop and wait, and just hope for the Labour Party to re-form an effective opposition to this. It's certainly not impossible but it's unlikely.

You don't have the luxury of being entitled to introspection and humble reconsideration from Labour. It might not happen. If it doesn't, those who oppose the government seriously must look at other options.

 

[coradiafan2000]

I'm terrified for the future. Leaving the EU will only have a negative effect on my future opportunities. We have a clown for a prime minister. Austerity and universal credit will continue, which means I'll have to work extra hard at my foodbank. How anyone can vote Tory is beyond me, with what they have done and will do to the country.

At least Labour won in my constituency, then again, there was never really any doubt they wouldn't.